Patriotism or pool?

[one stroke]

I'd rather hoped it would have been abundantly clear by now that the purpose of this thread is to remind people that location doesn't matter: promoting our sport is all that counts.

Stop saying "I would buy cue X over cue Y, because it's just as good and is made in America.

Stop saying "Both are fine tips, but X is made in America".

Start saying "I use X and highly recommend it. It is the standard all cues/tips should be measured by".

Forget the country and think the company.

Buying Chinese only strengthens their economy and weakens ours if anything we should be promoting boycotting china not promoting it

and why in the world if things were even close to the same quality would we not buy American , hello we live in America

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[qbilder]

Why would you tell a good person to leave? If all the rational, good workers leave, what is left here?

Now, there are some bad people I'd like to have leave....

Jeff Livingston

I was saying that to the person causing trouble, specific not general

 

[Standbykid]

No. I opened this thread to make a point, one you have clearly missed.
Where a particular product is made should have no bearing whatsoever. Support POOL, not pool with a particular flavour. (note proper spelling) :sorry:

So your point is, that if I support American pool, I'm not truly supporting pool? Well, I live in America, love America and American pool. So, I am supporting pool. In doing so, I'm also expressing my opinion on this forum that American cuemakers are the best. Wherever you live, you should support the pool industry, cuemakers and the particular flavor (note the proper spelling) there.

Other than that, I don't know WTF you're talking about and neither do you.

 

[TheThaiger]

Buying Chinese only strengthens their economy and weakens ours if anything we should be promoting boycotting china not promoting it

and why in the world if things were even close to the same quality would we not buy American , hello we live in America

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And why in the world would you ever even consider buying inferior products. Hello, we are pool players. Hello, this a pool forum.

 

[TheThaiger]

So your point is, that if I support American pool, I'm not truly supporting pool? Well, I live in America, love America and American pool. So, I am supporting pool. In doing so, I'm also expressing my opinion on this forum that American cuemakers are the best. Wherever you live, you should support the pool industry, cuemakers and the particular flavor (note the proper spelling) there.

Other than that, I don't know WTF you're talking about and neither do you.

No, my point, as made ad infinitum, is we ALL benefit if we support pool over countries. Yes, that means Americans too. This persecution complex your nation appears to have developed in recent years is worrying.

Regional bias just colours the issue (note proper spelling).

 

[TheThaiger]

I was saying that to the person causing trouble, specific not general

Causing trouble? What are you on about? I'm using a pool forum to promote the idea that standards need to be driven up, no matter who does it. In the long run, this will benefit everyone connected to the game - even you.

 

[Maxx]

Sorry pal, but in my book location does matter! If somebody asks about a product, where it is made is a factor to consider.

 

[one stroke]

And why in the world would you ever even consider buying inferior products. Hello, we are pool players. Hello, this a pool forum.

Ok I will bite give me a example of a Chinese made pool stick that is superior to a American made cue,, I am all ears here,,

 

[chefjeff]

I was saying that to the person causing trouble, specific not general

OK, but who is REALLY causing trouble?... the guy who simply buys what he wants at a price he wants from someone who sells what he wants at a price he wants....

or

...the guy who uses the state's guns to prevent such trades?


Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

And why in the world would you ever even consider buying inferior products. Hello, we are pool players. Hello, this a pool forum.

hey, thaiger.....

Being Austrian-economically-minded, it is important to remember that VALUE JUDGMENTS ARE SUBJECTIVE.

Each player has his or her ends in mind and chooses his or her means to get those ends. If someone values American, that is what he values...and he isn't WRONG to make such a value choice, but simply has differernt ends in mind.

VALUE IS SUBJECTIVE. That concept is as important to the working of effective economies as is division of labor.

fyi, as you've seem to forgotten that (correct me if I'm wrong about that, OK?)

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

Sorry pal, but in my book location does matter! If somebody asks about a product, where it is made is a factor to consider.

A perfect example, thus proving my post, above.

Jeff Livingston

 

[JolietJames]

Maybe you just don't understand how the system works Thai. If I buy something made in the US, it helps the person who made it keep a job. Therefore, I am not being taxed to give him food, shelter, clothing, etc. (and now with Obama, giving them cel phones and computers too). When I buy cheap junk from China I am promoting theft, patent infringement, and the Chinese economy. Let's face it that last thing China invented was gun powder. They are a country full of drones who make other people's things. It has been stated that if you show them a product it takes China about 48 hours to copy it. Within a few weeks they can mass produce it. That is what they do. Very similar to Toyota's Lexus line. They don't need to hire designers because their cars will be made to look as similar to the newest Mercedes as possible without getting sued. If Toyota was a Chinese company, it would be made EXACTLY like the Benz, sell for half price, rattle and squeak, and cause cancer.
BTW the things that made America great heve been undermined by politicians for more than fifty years.

 

[chefjeff]

Ok I will bite give me a example of a Chinese made pool stick that is superior to a American made cue,, I am all ears here,,

The old Mizerak cues at K-Mart.

I loved those pieces of crap cues. I could mix and match a shaft and butt, buy it for $20-30, and if I lost it or broke it, who cares? I'd just go buy another one.

I must've bought 5-10 of those until they ran out.

That was what I valued at that time and it fulfilled my desires, BIG TIME.

See? No right or wrong here guys, just subjective choices by real Persons.

My advice: Fight over the govt's forced-backed reduction of choice, not choice per se.

Jeff Livingston

 

[qbilder]

Causing trouble? What are you on about? I'm using a pool forum to promote the idea that standards need to be driven up, no matter who does it. In the long run, this will benefit everyone connected to the game - even you.

What's this post about? Promoting pool? Or ridiculing Americans who choose to buy American? You laid out an ultimatum that Americans can either be pool players or patriotic, but not both. I see that as provocative with no purpose other than to stir an argument. There were many ways to make your point without having to belittle Americans who buy American products, for whatever reason.

 

[Fatboy]

What's this post about? Promoting pool? Or ridiculing Americans who choose to buy American? You laid out an ultimatum that Americans can either be pool players or patriotic, but not both. I see that as provocative with no purpose other than to stir an argument. There were many ways to make your point without having to belittle Americans who buy American products, for whatever reason.

hope you been well buddy,

best

eric

 

[qbilder]

hope you been well buddy,

best

eric

Been ok. You? How's things going? Gimme a buzz after bit if you get a chance. Coming to Vegas a couple times next month, would like to take you & the ms. out to Brazilian joint.

 

[TheThaiger]

What's this post about? Promoting pool? Or ridiculing Americans who choose to buy American? You laid out an ultimatum that Americans can either be pool players or patriotic, but not both. I see that as provocative with no purpose other than to stir an argument. There were many ways to make your point without having to belittle Americans who buy American products, for whatever reason.

I think you've misunderstood this entirely, and will leave it at that with you. Going only on your username, I suspect you work better with your hands...

 

[TheThaiger]

Ok I will bite give me a example of a Chinese made pool stick that is superior to a American made cue,, I am all ears here,,

That's not the point I'm making - quite the reverse, in fact, and if this thread was being written in Mandarin rather than English I'd be urging the chinese not to discount american made cues on the basis that they're produced overseas.

But I wonder if hostility towards Predators would be quite so ingrained if they were still made in the US?

 

[TheThaiger]

hey, thaiger.....

Being Austrian-economically-minded, it is important to remember that VALUE JUDGMENTS ARE SUBJECTIVE.

Each player has his or her ends in mind and chooses his or her means to get those ends. If someone values American, that is what he values...and he isn't WRONG to make such a value choice, but simply has differernt ends in mind.

VALUE IS SUBJECTIVE. That concept is as important to the working of effective economies as is division of labor.

fyi, as you've seem to forgotten that (correct me if I'm wrong about that, OK?)

Jeff Livingston

All very true and a good point by Maxx too. Nice to have some well reasoned responses.

 

[TheThaiger]

Maybe you just don't understand how the system works Thai. If I buy something made in the US, it helps the person who made it keep a job. Therefore, I am not being taxed to give him food, shelter, clothing, etc. (and now with Obama, giving them cel phones and computers too). When I buy cheap junk from China I am promoting theft, patent infringement, and the Chinese economy. Let's face it that last thing China invented was gun powder. They are a country full of drones who make other people's things. It has been stated that if you show them a product it takes China about 48 hours to copy it. Within a few weeks they can mass produce it. That is what they do. Very similar to Toyota's Lexus line. They don't need to hire designers because their cars will be made to look as similar to the newest Mercedes as possible without getting sued. If Toyota was a Chinese company, it would be made EXACTLY like the Benz, sell for half price, rattle and squeak, and cause cancer.
BTW the things that made America great heve been undermined by politicians for more than fifty years.

Counterfeiting is a separate issue here, I think.

The only thing supporting bad business practices will do is see that company closed down. It is a short term solution. I don't know much about the situation with viking, but it is entirely possible they'd still be in business if they were quicker to spot emerging trends in the market or adapt to changing customer needs, and they had little incentive to do so whilst they have misplaced brand loyality.

Ultimately, you respond to the competition or you die. Protectionism is no less an option for american producers than for any others. Brand loyalty will only take you so far.