Patriotism or pool?

Underclocked said:
"should put the game ahead of national interest."

Repeating the same idea and expecting any change in response is surely a form of insanity.

I think the vast majority of American posters here are Americans first, last, and always. I believe that is so irrespective of whatever leisure sport they might choose and certainly irrespective of your pompous opinions. At least I hope so.

What particular innovations do you think we are all missing out on by preferring American products? $25 chalk?
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For one. I wonder if the reaction to the new chalk would have been quite so hysterical had an american company produced it? Of course american companies are free to come up with a cheaper, more practical alternative. It might be popular and sell well, all around the world. It might save the company and safeguard local jobs.
 
You're right Thai, companies need to innovate to compete. However, I don't expect to see any breakthroughs in the constuction of pool cues or blue jeans in my lifetime. Therefore, I can support the American products without fear of them becoming obsolete due to falling behind in technology. Sadly, if I invented a pool cue that was guaranteed to make every played a ball better just by using it, I would only get paid off from it for a few months. By then China would have bought one, dissected it, and bagan duplicating it and selling it for half price. It would be nice to see ONE original thought come out of that country this millenia.
 
Hmmm

JAM said:
Well, heck, I guess I'll be the first to say it. Everyone on this thread seems to be looking elsewhere instead of at the 600-pound gorilla in the room -- I mean in the thread.

Chinese-made goods are not given the same amount of scrutiny as American-made goods.

I was at Nordstrom's the other day in the shoe department, and one lady was looking at a pair of Uggs on sale. She said there was no way she would buy them, though, if they were made in China. Some Chinese clothing and shoes have poisons in them that can get into our skin.

Chinese-made toys come to the states with poisons in the material construction of the toy, which could kill a child.

I said it before and I'll say it again. If a Chinese-made cue has toxic materials in it that could kill a human being, I don't think our American pool players should touch it with a 10-foot pole.

USA, all the way, baby! :cool:
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You're dead on JAM !! I'm not saying don't buy foreign brands, I'm just saying stay the F*CK out of China for your goods. JAM only gave you a partial list of the BS stuff they did the last few years. Two Chinese executives of a milk company were executed a couple of years ago for intentionally tainting milk and sickening thousands of children. The list is endless.

I buy german cars, japanese cars, swiss watches and chocolates, American cues and sneakers (New Balance made in USA) as well as many other items made in US, but I go out of my way not to give the China any of my cash. I have not bought a new TV in a long time so not sure what I will do then. But I do know SONY and the other Japanese makers run those factories personally, so I should not be getting any BS stuff coming out of there.

My money, my choice. If China no like, China can go jump in the lake. If you sell products from China, that is your choice, but not buying them is my choice as well as others.

PS: Be nice to start a LIST of best American Products, but most likely would have to be in the NPR section !!
 
jason said:
If you want me to choose between being a patriot of a freakin' game of pool?
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
Pool can got take a flying leap.

American 100% and screw the socialist Obama.
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

Oh, by the way...I'm both a patriot and a pool fan and both is an option. Don't try to censor me. That's un American.
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I'm starting to think this should have been posted in the NPR forum.
You start talking about patriotism and the claws and fangs come out pretty quick!
 
I will continue to buy American made products as much as possible. I've owned numerous McDermotts, Vikings, Joss, and Schon cues, and the only warpage that ever happened was soley my fault. I'm a patriot, and ill be damned if some anti American guy from wherever the hell he's from is gonna tell me to stop encouraging people to buy American. In his quest to sway everyone away from their patriotism, I'll bet the op never wondered if hitler played pool. If it wasn't for the USA all of Europe would be speaking German. Don't forget about all the blood Americans and Europeans spilled for your right to speak here. Ooh Rah. And for the record, I've tried numerous overseas cus, and not one single cue has been able to compete with my Scruggs, or my Joss. Semper Fi.

Joe
 
snipershot said:
I will continue to buy American made products as much as possible. I've owned numerous McDermotts, Vikings, Joss, and Schon cues, and the only warpage that ever happened was soley my fault. I'm a patriot, and ill be damned if some anti American guy from wherever the hell he's from is gonna tell me to stop encouraging people to buy American. In his quest to sway everyone away from their patriotism, I'll bet the op never wondered if hitler played pool. If it wasn't for the USA all of Europe would be speaking German. Don't forget about all the blood Americans and Europeans spilled for your right to speak here. Ooh Rah. And for the record, I've tried numerous overseas cus, and not one single cue has been able to compete with my Scruggs, or my Joss. Semper Fi.

Joe
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Hmm, can I invoke Godwin's law? And if it wasn't for us Brits, you lot would all be speaking French - imagine that!
 
ChicagoRJ said:
You're dead on JAM !! I'm not saying don't buy foreign brands, I'm just saying stay the F*CK out of China for your goods. JAM only gave you a partial list of the BS stuff they did the last few years. Two Chinese executives of a milk company were executed a couple of years ago for intentionally tainting milk and sickening thousands of children. The list is endless.

I buy german cars, japanese cars, swiss watches and chocolates, American cues and sneakers (New Balance made in USA) as well as many other items made in US, but I go out of my way not to give the China any of my cash. I have not bought a new TV in a long time so not sure what I will do then. But I do know SONY and the other Japanese makers run those factories personally, so I should not be getting any BS stuff coming out of there.

My money, my choice. If China no like, China can go jump in the lake. If you sell products from China, that is your choice, but not buying them is my choice as well as others.
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China can go jump? Are you sure? This is a market of 1.3b people you're excluding here - many, many more according to my chinese mates. Trade works both ways you know. China will only increase in power and influence, and there's only one winner if the US gets entrenched in a trade war...

As for the safety issue, China deserves great credit for the steps they have taken in improving their production techniques. Hanging negligent or corrupt executives is not to my taste, but I bet it's a damn effective deterrent for future miscreants. Besides, all countries have form in this respect - *cough* Bhopal, *cough* the Niger Delta, *cough* the financial crisis, *cough* ad infinitum.

Some deal with it harshly at source; others demonise the weak, turn judicious blind eyes or use the legal system to their advantage. (more coughing).

The scaremongering about the safety of chinese goods is laughable.

WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
 
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TheThaiger said:
Hmm, can I invoke Godwin's law? And if it wasn't for us Brits, you lot would all be speaking French - imagine that!
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You can invoke whatever you like. Its clear that you have no sense of loyalty or honor towards your country or the men and women who have died, and will die for your freedom to try to belittle me, and my freedom to tell you to piss off. People like you are what's wrong with pool, and the world for that matter. You have no heart. Its not black and white, most of this shit in life is grey. You can use all the big words you want man, its easy talkin smack over the net. I ain't mad at ya though, just letting you, and anyone else that has any doubt about my love for pool, or my absolute love for my country know exactly where I stand. Is your last name Barton by chance? Lol.

Joe
 
snipershot said:
You can invoke whatever you like. Its clear that you have no sense of loyalty or honor towards your country or the men and women who have died, and will die for your freedom to try to belittle me, and my freedom to tell you to piss off. People like you are what's wrong with pool, and the world for that matter. You have no heart. Its not black and white, most of this shit in life is grey. You can use all the big words you want man, its easy talkin smack over the net. I ain't mad at ya though, just letting you, and anyone else that has any doubt about my love for pool, or my absolute love for my country know exactly where I stand. Is your last name Barton by chance? Lol.

Joe
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I try to ignore the majority of your increasingly bizarre rants, but you're bang on that life is all about shades of grey. It appears to be YOU that see things in black and white pal, not me.
 
snipershot said:
You can invoke whatever you like. Its clear that you have no sense of loyalty or honor towards your country or the men and women who have died, and will die for your freedom to try to belittle me, and my freedom to tell you to piss off. People like you are what's wrong with pool, and the world for that matter. You have no heart. Its not black and white, most of this shit in life is grey. You can use all the big words you want man, its easy talkin smack over the net. I ain't mad at ya though, just letting you, and anyone else that has any doubt about my love for pool, or my absolute love for my country know exactly where I stand. Is your last name Barton by chance? Lol.

Joe
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Are you being serious or just joking around?

Jeff Livingston
 
TheThaiger said:
China can go jump? Are you sure? This is a market of 1.3b people you're excluding here - many, many more according to my chinese mates. Trade works both ways you know. China will only increase in power and influence, and there's only one winner if the US gets entrenched in a trade war...

As for the safety issue, China deserves great credit for the steps they have taken in improving their production techniques. Hanging negligent or corrupt executives is not to my taste, but I bet it's a damn effective deterrent for future miscreants. Besides, all countries have form in this respect - *cough* Bhopal, *cough* the Niger Delta, *cough* the financial crisis, *cough* ad infinitum.

Some deal with it harshly at source; others demonise the weak, turn judicious blind eyes or use the legal system to their advantage. (more coughing).

The scaremongering about the safety of chinese goods is laughable.

WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
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you sure you're not a chinese trade lawyer ?

seems you have a hankering for fine china ...
 
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JAM said:
American cuemakers who produce quality cues that sell for four- and five figures can't seem to earn a decent income selling exclusively to American consumers, and where they are able to make the majority of their profits is by going overseas to the Asian regions of the world. They gobble up American-made custom cues like candy. Ask Black Boar, as one example.

Here in America, cheaper is better, and the majority of American pool players go for the production cues manufactured overseas in the Asian regions of the world. They don't want to pay the price tag for high-quality, custom-made cues that are made in the USA.

Oh, the irony of it all. :grin-square:
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If this is all about cues, buying american(custom cues) doesn't help a demographic, it helps a handful of cuemakers.
 
LAlouie said:
If this is all about cues, buying american(custom cues) doesn't help a demographic, it helps a handful of cuemakers.
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American cuemakers who, in turn, buy most if not all their supplies and materials from other Americans, who do the same, etc.
Besides that, every dollar NOT spent in China is a dollar better spent.
 
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