Patriotism or pool?
- Thread starter TheThaiger
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All I can say is:
hock 3 (hk) Slang
tr.v. hocked, hock·ing, hocks
To pawn: hock a diamond ring.
n.
1. The state of being pawned: put the diamonds in hock.
2. The state of being in debt: thought we'd never get out of hock.
Just thought I would add some colour to your post. (note proper spelling) LOL ...... sorry had to do it.
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We aren't all buying American. That is the point, but we should be.
Todays market is complex. Many products and brands are not produced in the US, but they still have the US branding. Some not even owned by the US anymore. Budweiser and Miller Lite for example, both foreign owned but still considered domestic. Ha, go figure. Some foreign cars produced in the US.
The average consumer doesn't look at anything but the price and quality. That is usually where the decision making takes place. If the consumer was more conscience of his buying choices, he would probably choose to buy American for all the reasons that have previously been posted. Price is biggest factor. China has the lowest labor cost and poorest working conditions in the world. That is why we (and the rest of the world) manufacture everything there.
Well, heck, I guess I'll be the first to say it. Everyone on this thread seems to be looking elsewhere instead of at the 600-pound gorilla in the room -- I mean in the thread.
Chinese-made goods are not given the same amount of scrutiny as American-made goods.
I was at Nordstrom's the other day in the shoe department, and one lady was looking at a pair of Uggs on sale. She said there was no way she would buy them, though, if they were made in China. Some Chinese clothing and shoes have poisons in them that can get into our skin.
Chinese-made toys come to the states with poisons in the material construction of the toy, which could kill a child.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If a Chinese-made cue has toxic materials in it that could kill a human being, I don't think our American pool players should touch it with a 10-foot pole.
USA, all the way, baby!
Chinese-made goods are not given the same amount of scrutiny as American-made goods.
I was at Nordstrom's the other day in the shoe department, and one lady was looking at a pair of Uggs on sale. She said there was no way she would buy them, though, if they were made in China. Some Chinese clothing and shoes have poisons in them that can get into our skin.
Chinese-made toys come to the states with poisons in the material construction of the toy, which could kill a child.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If a Chinese-made cue has toxic materials in it that could kill a human being, I don't think our American pool players should touch it with a 10-foot pole.
USA, all the way, baby!
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You guys could just argue over which color is the best for a cue.
Neither would be "right." Just like where a cue is made has no "right" or "wrong."
I see no good coming from creating a problem (objectifying subjective choices) where before it didn't exist....but continue on if it trips your trigger.
Anyone read Hazlitt, yet? It is FREE and takes about an hour or so to understand economics and this issue in particular.
Jeff Livingston
Neither would be "right." Just like where a cue is made has no "right" or "wrong."
I see no good coming from creating a problem (objectifying subjective choices) where before it didn't exist....but continue on if it trips your trigger.
Anyone read Hazlitt, yet? It is FREE and takes about an hour or so to understand economics and this issue in particular.
Jeff Livingston
I'm confused as to how supporting American businesses dooms American businesses. You've made this claim more than once and you have to see how illogical it is.
For the record, I buy my jeans from Pointer Brand or American Clothing Co., both made right here in the US -just letting people know there's and option. I can't tell you the last time I was in a Wal-Fare store (at least 15 yeears), and will never shop there. When it was founded it was a pro-America store but once Sam dies and his kids took over it became anti-American in order to maximize profits and market share. People are waking up to the unfair trade practices and loss of jobs to all the "free" trade agreements. I believe the situation will slowly correct itself. The sooner Americans start supporting local businesses, the sooner the US economy will recover. BTW China is outsourcing some manufacturing to other countries like India and Thailand because the Chinese workers are demanding better pay.
All I can say is:
Definition of HAWK
transitive verb
: to offer for sale by calling out in the street <hawking newspapers>; broadly : sell
Probably want to check meanings before incorrectly correcting spelling... LOL Sorry, couldn't help myself.
This seems to me to be a rather simplistic view of economics. Since time immemorial, people have traded with people outside their local economy simply because not every locality has the resources to provide everything that people want or perceive a need for. I'm no economic genius either, but with much of our manufacturing capability being shipped off to other countries, we are becoming more and more a nation of service industries rather than manufacturing. Especially in a down economy, people are going to want to get as much as they can for their money, so taking advantage of cheap labor is going to be a higher priority. It's easy to say buy American, but it's getting much harder to actually put into practice.
I feel that we are merely part of a much larger whole and it behooves us from an economic standpoint as well as a moral standpoint to keep that in mind. As the whole goes, so go we.
The anit-American part is PREFERRING to sell Chinese goods over American made goods. They almost put Rubbermaid out of business a few years back. Wal-Fare was demanding they sell some of their products at a loss to have their product line in their stores. Wal-Fare shoppers absolutely do not care about quality, only price. They're too dumb to think ahead about how many times they will need to replace their Chinese junk to equal the life of the American offering of the same form which costs more. If you like China better than America, and like growing landfills full of foreign crap, by all means shop at Wal-Fare. If you want your neighbor to have a job next month/year, please shop elsewhere. American made clothing sells at the same price as old navy crap -it's just a little harder to find.
TheThaiger
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Well, heck, I guess I'll be the first to say it. Everyone on this thread seems to be looking elsewhere instead of at the 600-pound gorilla in the room -- I mean in the thread.
Chinese-made goods are not given the same amount of scrutiny as American-made goods.
I was at Nordstrom's the other day in the shoe department, and one lady was looking at a pair of Uggs on sale. She said there was no way she would buy them, though, if they were made in China. Some Chinese clothing and shoes have poisons in them that can get into our skin.
Chinese-made toys come to the states with poisons in the material construction of the toy, which could kill a child.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If a Chinese-made cue has toxic materials in it that could kill a human being, I don't think our American pool players should touch it with a 10-foot pole.
USA, all the way, baby!
I'd assumed you were joking before but am now not so sure. Please tell me you're joking?
TheThaiger
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The conspicuous consumption point is a good one and well made, but is a slightly different issue.
I'm tired of repeating myself in this thread but it seems the point isn't sinking in: the health of an american company - any company - is assured if it innovates and competes. Companies that continue to churn out the same goods and fail to respond to changing markets usually fold.
TheThaiger
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The problem lies with supporting american products irrespective of quality. Supporting poorly made or obsolete products provides little incentive for manufacturers to invest in new technologies to develop their products. Eventually, they find the market has moved and they are unable to adapt to the competition.
It is important for the health of the game to recommend the best products available. It is not important where they are made. That way, companies compete and innovate, and standards are driven up across the board.
I am NOT saying american products are poor - far from it - but what I am saying is we, as pool fanatics, should put the game ahead of national interest.
TheThaiger
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Now, where does that ivory come from again? Is the elephant indigenous to north america?
TheThaiger
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Quite.
I don't think it's actually that important to maintain manufacturing in the west - there is no way we can compete on labour charges for a start - but it is crucial we maintain our competitive advance in terms of technology, innovation, design, style etc. Put simply, we are finished if the emerging countries catch up in those areas.
"should put the game ahead of national interest."
Repeating the same idea and expecting any change in response is surely a form of insanity.
I think the vast majority of American posters here are Americans first, last, and always. I believe that is so irrespective of whatever leisure sport they might choose and certainly irrespective of your pompous opinions. At least I hope so.
What particular innovations do you think we are all missing out on by preferring American products? $25 chalk?
Repeating the same idea and expecting any change in response is surely a form of insanity.
I think the vast majority of American posters here are Americans first, last, and always. I believe that is so irrespective of whatever leisure sport they might choose and certainly irrespective of your pompous opinions. At least I hope so.
What particular innovations do you think we are all missing out on by preferring American products? $25 chalk?
you lot do ok out of trade agreements ... sorry i don't understand this
i dont care about fox or msnbc they both have their own agendas
i'm talking fair as in stop the lopsided trade policies that undermine the american worker while favoring their much lower paid counterparts around the world operating under a completly different set of rules
best product for the price ?
funny how something that's engineered to last usually cost's more and something that's engineered at a lower standard that purports to be " as good " but doesn't last = built in obsolesence and more fine china for the landfills
Seen high end and overpriced cues last decades, and i've seen cheap cues last decades.
Next case.