Bca senior events • discussion
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Mike
I have played in 35 BCA (PL) National Championships. While a very few players slip under the radar (once) most all players are at their correct skill levels.
I think the old BCA and the new BCAPL have done a wonderful job in controling this issue. The majority of us players know the rules and abide by them.
The issue seems to stem from the few, not the many. It is what it is. I find that very fair.
No other League system works harder than BCAPL.
randyg
Randy,
Thanks for the reply, and I understand your point and agree (some what)!
I have a third of your appearances, and loved being at everyone of them. I have been a member of the BCA / BCAPL for 20ish years, and agree they work hard at what they do. I appreciate all they do.
I disagree with the number of players that slip under the radar however.
Mike
Well then, I guess I'd like to hear what Mark has to say about this and either hear a *real* good defense of this seeming injustice, or you getting the green light to compete next year. On it's face it doesn't seem right at all. Have you spoken to him about this?
Lou Figueroa
This can't be right
If I understand the OP correctly, the one time you played and got 13-16th it was in the Amateur Division.. and you'r getting jammed for that. That's just not right.
I know you'r a solid player, but if that's the rule, it doesn't account for the player who gets in one event and plays "over his head" for a couple of days and happens to place in the event. How many times have we seen that happen, and now that guy is going to get kicked up to another division where he has absoutly no chance.
If I understand the OP correctly, the one time you played and got 13-16th it was in the Amateur Division.. and you'r getting jammed for that. That's just not right.
I know you'r a solid player, but if that's the rule, it doesn't account for the player who gets in one event and plays "over his head" for a couple of days and happens to place in the event. How many times have we seen that happen, and now that guy is going to get kicked up to another division where he has absoutly no chance.
senior or master?
I have never played in any BCA event. I was once a BCA Instructor.
My friend wanted to play with me in the scotch doubles event.
My friend (female) has never played in the national tournament nor cashed in any professional event.
Mark said he knew me and my doubles team would automatically be put in the masters division. If I wanted to play in the singles event it would be in the masters division as well.
Seems a bit arbitrary. Thought you had to earn your way to the master
category.
I have played in the APA nationals singles and team. Always got blown out in the singles events. Guess I'm too good to play in the BCAPL now.
I have never played in any BCA event. I was once a BCA Instructor.
My friend wanted to play with me in the scotch doubles event.
My friend (female) has never played in the national tournament nor cashed in any professional event.
Mark said he knew me and my doubles team would automatically be put in the masters division. If I wanted to play in the singles event it would be in the masters division as well.
Seems a bit arbitrary. Thought you had to earn your way to the master
category.
I have played in the APA nationals singles and team. Always got blown out in the singles events. Guess I'm too good to play in the BCAPL now.
Eric: You are a good player and a great Instructor. Mark has to protect the Divisions like a mother hen. The Masters Div. is a privilege, not a penalty!
randyg
I'm 71 years old and I don't kid myself about what is left of my abilities. For me to play in the Masters division would be a joke. The young guns of today break a ton, make one ball and it's run out time.
For me it's mostly break and go sit down. When I do make a ball on the break running out is not even an option because of the mess I leave on one end of the table.
Every year I petition to play in the senior or super senior division. If I win or do well then it's ok if they move me up. Those divisions are not bargains like many might think. These guys know the game and put packages together very well.
One year, before Mark, I believe, they had relaxed the rule to take the master ranking away from anyone over 65 I sent in my entry for the senior division that year and was informed that they were making exceptions to that rule and I was one of them. That rule does not exists anymore it was just for that one year. I will try again next year.
It's been about three years since I've played in the singles of any kind because I feel that I can't compete with the young guns.
For me it's mostly break and go sit down. When I do make a ball on the break running out is not even an option because of the mess I leave on one end of the table.
Every year I petition to play in the senior or super senior division. If I win or do well then it's ok if they move me up. Those divisions are not bargains like many might think. These guys know the game and put packages together very well.
One year, before Mark, I believe, they had relaxed the rule to take the master ranking away from anyone over 65 I sent in my entry for the senior division that year and was informed that they were making exceptions to that rule and I was one of them. That rule does not exists anymore it was just for that one year. I will try again next year.
It's been about three years since I've played in the singles of any kind because I feel that I can't compete with the young guns.
Strange Rule
So the rule was that NOBODY over 65 would be considered a Master, with the exception of those who were suspected of still playing decent. What kind of Rule is that?
So the rule was that NOBODY over 65 would be considered a Master, with the exception of those who were suspected of still playing decent. What kind of Rule is that?
Seniors etc
Joey A;
If you played in 2004, that was before we took over.
You need to email Bill Stock and he will review your status - as he will anyone else's.
BillS@playcsipool.com
The problem with these type of issues - is that they should be addressed to our office and not the AZ forums! We have policies in place for petitioning. And over time, they are subject to change.
We try to help everyone out - but we cannot 'patrol' the pages of AZ to see what are the problems. AZ posters cannot solve your problem - we might be able to. So please contact our office.
We do try to be responsive but we are swamped and just got moved back into our office after a very successful event. Some of the comments are counter productive and do not show the whole story.
Thank You,
mark Griffin
Joey A;
If you played in 2004, that was before we took over.
You need to email Bill Stock and he will review your status - as he will anyone else's.
BillS@playcsipool.com
The problem with these type of issues - is that they should be addressed to our office and not the AZ forums! We have policies in place for petitioning. And over time, they are subject to change.
We try to help everyone out - but we cannot 'patrol' the pages of AZ to see what are the problems. AZ posters cannot solve your problem - we might be able to. So please contact our office.
We do try to be responsive but we are swamped and just got moved back into our office after a very successful event. Some of the comments are counter productive and do not show the whole story.
Thank You,
mark Griffin
+1
I'm 45 now, so I guess I gotta start thinking about this. 50 will be here before I know it.
You underestimate the AZ posse
Mark, I cannot believe you do not enjoy trolling the waters here, on the Good Sea AZ (just as much as some enjoy chumming them. Besides, it's just a couple of complaints. Not bad considering the thousands you have participating.
Lou Figueroa
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55 y/o for senior men, 50 y/o for women. Super senior is 65
Joey, I can remember when you were raised to Master level if you made the final board of 64 in the open. You had to have three uncashed years to go back to the open. I used to joke with John Lewis about women out living men by 7 years on the average, but got to compete in the seniors at age 50. I told him men should be 50 and women 55.
i noticed a few comments that were a little negative toward the bcapl concerning this issue. altho they may be counter productive they were quite civil in their remarks.
wish the threads concerning apa could be that civil.
Be careful what you wish for.
I contacted Bill Stock and told him about my deteriorating condition and I have been demoted to the lowly ranks where I belong. After all this whining, I guess that means I will have to show up next year.
Mark was right, you guys didn't help at all but I appreciate you standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Now, when the old guys beat up on me, you can just show me a smattering of sympathy and giggle at me every now and then.
I contacted Bill Stock and told him about my deteriorating condition and I have been demoted to the lowly ranks where I belong. After all this whining, I guess that means I will have to show up next year.
Mark was right, you guys didn't help at all but I appreciate you standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Now, when the old guys beat up on me, you can just show me a smattering of sympathy and giggle at me every now and then.
Actually, you did not help by not first contacting the powers to be before you started whining on here.
I sure would have asked the powers to be before I opened a can of worms that wasn't needed, but hey , you got the attention you wanted.