Forum rage

Ah, my little stalker, John Kaplan/Collins/Barton-Huang. I guess, when the moderator tells you to stop stalking me or face banning, it really means squat. Pffft. Whateva.

Let's add in the whole story, rather than the typical JBnutCase loose exaggerated accusations, based on little fact:

Fast Larry went past just racial slurs. He escalated to calling my home at all hours, calling my employer to try to get me fired with loose accusations, to flat out threatening to find me to kick my azz being that he was an "8th dan black belt" or something like that. I finally told him not to bother to find me; I'll find him. And I did. There was *no* sucker punch. You wouldn't know, John, you weren't there. I caught Larry in fron of the concession stands, with 2 hot dogs in his hands. When Larry saw my coming towards him, he froze like a deer in headlights until I was close enough to unload a couple of punches. He actually slipped my first punch (straight punch towards the head) and it glanced off the right side of his head. My second punch was a short left uppercut to the chin, that I used to stand him back up, so I could set up for another right. Amazingly, FL just fell over backwards from the little uppercut, falling into the condiment table. He was done. Some "black belt"... Also, to correct your facts, JBnutCase, FL was in his late 50's and I was over 40.

So, now you have the correct story (not that you ever needed much fact to level accusations and slurs, Collins)


Eric >JBnutCase, indeed

JB Cases said:
It's just human nature. All we are is a bag of chemicals with complicated wiring. Some of it is hardwired through our genetics and some is coded through our experiences.

Most people react negatively to perceived aggression. Depending on how a person is wired it could be a fear response or an aggressive one. Human nature makes people less fearful when separated by distance and more likely to be aggressive.

The internet forum is the ultimate distance since you are separated by time and space. You don't have to be in a real time confrontation complete with attendant emotional triggers, you can compose your words as you like at your leisure and choose the time of response. And you have no fear of physical reprisal as you would expect in a physical confrontation. So with that inhibitions and social restraints fall away and people allow themselves much more latitude.

For example:

I said this about a certain member's post when he gave a flippant response to a serious question, "don't worry about it, he thinks that he is a comedian." (fairly harmless comment I think)

The anonymous member then gives me negative red rep with this as the comment, "You're a f**king idiot."

Now, if we had been standing around in a bar and the same conversation had taken place then I am certain that the person who takes such liberty to call me a ****ing idiot anonymously on here wouldn't have uttered the slightest peep.

That's what I mean about perceived safety through anonymity and distance. Someday though this war of words will result in people getting really hurt. For the most part the aggression is all played out on the keyboard and eventually everyone calms down and sometimes people even get so tired of it that they manage to reprogram themselves to simply avoid it. But once in a while when one or both sides is particularly nasty it can lead to physical confrontation.

The best example of that is when Eric Hu, "Eric." here on AZB, was in a long flame fest with professional trick shot artist Larry Grindiger. Larry was relentless with the racial attacks among other things and Eric continually engaged him. (This was on the Rec.Sport.Billiard newsgroup, which was pretty much decimated by this fight)

Ultimately Eric ended up sucker punching Larry, who was about twice Eric's age, at the Super Billiards Expo in 2006. Eric was ticketed and fined and barred from the SBE for life.

A lot of us were on Eric's side and we lobbied the Hopkins to let him back in and he was allowed back in after a few years.

So this shows that hate on here can sometimes lead to violence in the real world. It's just all too easy to be hateful and spiteful through the keyboard though.

The only peaceful message board is a heavily moderated one. This one is very much undermoderated for it's size which allows for people to get away with breaking the rules on name calling and harassment too often and for too long.
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Eric. said:
Ah, my little stalker, John Kaplan/Collins/Barton-Huang. I guess, when the moderator tells you to stop stalking me or face banning, it really means squat. Pffft. Whateva.

Let's add in the whole story, rather than the typical JBnutCase loose exaggerated accusations, based on little fact:

Fast Larry went past just racial slurs. He escalated to calling my home at all hours, calling my employer to try to get me fired with loose accusations, to flat out threatening to find me to kick my azz being that he was an "8th dan black belt" or something like that. I finally told him not to bother to find me; I'll find him. And I did. There was *no* sucker punch. You wouldn't know, John, you weren't there. I caught Larry in fron of the concession stands, with 2 hot dogs in his hands. When Larry saw my coming towards him, he froze like a deer in headlights until I was close enough to unload a couple of punches. He actually slipped my first punch (straight punch towards the head) and it glanced off the right side of his head. My second punch was a short left uppercut to the chin, that I used to stand him back up, so I could set up for another right. Amazingly, FL just fell over backwards from the little uppercut, falling into the condiment table. He was done. Some "black belt"... Also, to correct your facts, JBnutCase, FL was in his late 50's and I was over 40.

So, now you have the correct story (not that you ever needed much fact to level accusations and slurs, Collins)


Eric >JBnutCase, indeed
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Thank you. Now when I relate the story about how internet fighting can escalate into real world violence I have the correct version of yours.

The point is made though, you participated in a long flame war with trick shot artist Larry Grindiger and the end result was that you attacked him in person over it. I.e. words on the net led to violence. As I said your incident stands as the prime example within the billiard community so far as to what can happen when internet fighting gets out of hand.

And I do prefer facts. From now on I will factually (in as much as I can take your version as the factual one) report this story of you beating up Larry over fighting that started on the internet.

So the moral of the story is that if you don't want to get punched out in real life then when an internet antagonist comes after you just ignore him. If you retaliate with a war of words that then escalates into other areas of life then ultimately the bully or the target could end up becoming violent.

In your case it's hard to tell who the victim was. Initially I thought it was you. I think that the old adage "it takes two to tango" is probably more appropriate and is the real lesson.
 
Black-Balled said:
wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wrong about the statement being wrong!! Hater!!! Go hate on yourself and leave us civilized class acts alone. Pfft, pheasants. Feel like shining my shoes, boy? And I thought I was a degenerate, arrogant, biased, twisted, morbid and hateful individual! You out-do me! That's bad!! Real bad!!

On a side note, I just thought I'd share this with you. I plan to watch the movie "A Serbian Film" again tonight while eating my dinner.

Look up "A Serbian film". You won't be disappointed, Mr. Black-Balled. Best film made this century so far. Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for ANY ill effects it will have on your mind. Happy nightmares and convulsions. Watch it and DON'T look away. It'll change your life :thumbup2:
 
Eric. said:
Ah, my little stalker, John Kaplan/Collins/Barton-Huang. I guess, when the moderator tells you to stop stalking me or face banning, it really means squat. Pffft. Whateva.

Let's add in the whole story, rather than the typical JBnutCase loose exaggerated accusations, based on little fact:

Fast Larry went past just racial slurs. He escalated to calling my home at all hours, calling my employer to try to get me fired with loose accusations, to flat out threatening to find me to kick my azz being that he was an "8th dan black belt" or something like that. I finally told him not to bother to find me; I'll find him. And I did. There was *no* sucker punch. You wouldn't know, John, you weren't there. I caught Larry in fron of the concession stands, with 2 hot dogs in his hands. When Larry saw my coming towards him, he froze like a deer in headlights until I was close enough to unload a couple of punches. He actually slipped my first punch (straight punch towards the head) and it glanced off the right side of his head. My second punch was a short left uppercut to the chin, that I used to stand him back up, so I could set up for another right. Amazingly, FL just fell over backwards from the little uppercut, falling into the condiment table. He was done. Some "black belt"... Also, to correct your facts, JBnutCase, FL was in his late 50's and I was over 40.

So, now you have the correct story (not that you ever needed much fact to level accusations and slurs, Collins)


Eric >JBnutCase, indeed
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Well, I don't usually advocate violence as a means to settle arguments, but if there was ever anyone who had an ass kicking coming, it would be "Not-So Fast Larry". He single handedly ruined RSB for everyone.
 
Itsnotme said:
Wrong about the statement being wrong!! Hater!!! Go hate on yourself and leave us civilized class acts alone. Pfft, pheasants. Feel like shining my shoes, boy? And I thought I was a degenerate, arrogant, biased, twisted, morbid and hateful individual! You out-do me! That's bad!! Real bad!!

On a side note, I just thought I'd share this with you. I plan to watch the movie "A Serbian Film" again tonight while eating my dinner.

Look up "A Serbian film". You won't be disappointed, Mr. Black-Balled. Best film made this century so far. Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for ANY ill effects it will have on your mind. Happy nightmares and convulsions. Watch it and DON'T look away. It'll change your life :thumbup2:
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oooooh scary. you watch hardcore movies. don't let your mom catch you. she won't let you have the basement all to your self any more.
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JB Cases said:
Thank you. Now when I relate the story about how internet fighting can escalate into real world violence I have the correct version of yours.

The point is made though, you participated in a long flame war with trick shot artist Larry Grindiger and the end result was that you attacked him in person over it. I.e. words on the net led to violence. As I said your incident stands as the prime example within the billiard community so far as to what can happen when internet fighting gets out of hand.

And I do prefer facts. From now on I will factually (in as much as I can take your version as the factual one) report this story of you beating up Larry over fighting that started on the internet.

So the moral of the story is that if you don't want to get punched out in real life then when an internet antagonist comes after you just ignore him. If you retaliate with a war of words that then escalates into other areas of life then ultimately the bully or the target could end up becoming violent.

In your case it's hard to tell who the victim was. Initially I thought it was you. I think that the old adage "it takes two to tango" is probably more appropriate and is the real lesson.
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John,
Actually the lesson here is don't say anything on the internet that you cannot, or are not prepared to back up. Because whether it in Hopkins or outside in the parking lot, or in one of the small hallways, someone might not enjoy the fruits of their labor.

JV
 
TATE said:
It made me think about a response to "let's see her butt". I realized that we were in different worlds speaking a different language. There would be no way to communicate by written word what I was thinking, so I didn't respond.

Chris
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It says a lot about a man who can appreciate his wife like that. Congrats to one lucky guy! She sounds like a real gem.

OTOH, you missed the point of that guy's post. You weren't supposed to respond in words. Just pictures! J/K :thumbup: Good post.

Best,
Mike
 
Itsnotme said:
leave us civilized class acts alone. Pfft, pheasants. Feel like shining my shoes, boy?
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So you don't like pheasant's, league's, and the bar box.
Anything else bothering you lately?

A lot of things bother me too.
For instance I don't like stained forearms, half joints, and cats.
 
cuesblues said:
So you don't like pheasant's, league's, and the bar box.
Anything else bothering you lately?

A lot of things bother me too.
For instance I don't like stained forearms, half joints, and cats.
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Ted you forgot to mention short ferrules.
 
TATE said:
I like to quote Fred Agnir on this (Cornerman). He once said something to the effect that "internet posting isn't for the thin skinned." I would like to add that it's also not for the frail of ego, nor for the fool who expects to be suffered.

This may sound like mean stuff, but it's true. If you write something really rash or stupid, or wrong, expect to hear the truth. You can also expect that when you write something stupid or rash or vengeful - a few people will agree with you and give rep- which is what's really amazing about the net!

Then there is the chasm created by our different stages of life. Here's an example. A guy writes that his girlfirends hindquarters are great and challenges others to post pictures of their wife or girlfriend's fat hindquarters. All I could think about was the person who is more dear to me than anyone., who has accomplished so much, who has had my child, manages my business, was with me when my mom and dad passed away, who worked her ass off to put herself completely through USC in 4 years without a loan while supporting herself, who made Dean's list at USC and straight A's (not one B) in USC - and in high school too - 7 years of straight A's. One who is absolutely beautiful and accomplished. Who is an Elder in her church, a fine mother and someone I respect more than any other in the world, my wife.

It made me think about a response to "let's see her butt". I realized that we were in different worlds speaking a different language. There would be no way to communicate by written word what I was thinking, so I didn't respond.

Chris
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Tried to greenie you, but was told I had to spread some around. Alas, I've seen rants on every board I visit.
 
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Itsnotme said:
Go hate on yourself and leave us civilized class acts alone. Pfft, pheasants. Feel like shining my shoes, boy?
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Pheasants?

What does a small game-bird have to do with being civilized? Now if you can really train them to shine your shoes, you'll be on to something!

:D
 
cuesblues said:
There's a lot of things that really piss me off...:angry:
I got a little carried away though, because I really do like half joints
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I hate ivory ferrules.:angry:
And I hate the stupid little dowels that come with them.:angry:
So I got used to playing with 57 in. cues.

regards
pt..<..who feels better now....:smile2:
 
Itsnotme said:
Wrong about the statement being wrong!! Hater!!! Go hate on yourself and leave us civilized class acts alone. Pfft, pheasants. Feel like shining my shoes, boy? And I thought I was a degenerate, arrogant, biased, twisted, morbid and hateful individual! You out-do me! That's bad!! Real bad!!

On a side note, I just thought I'd share this with you. I plan to watch the movie "A Serbian Film" again tonight while eating my dinner.

Look up "A Serbian film". You won't be disappointed, Mr. Black-Balled. Best film made this century so far. Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for ANY ill effects it will have on your mind. Happy nightmares and convulsions. Watch it and DON'T look away. It'll change your life :thumbup2:
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Need to take a course on humor if you want to understand Black Balled.
I haven't been bothered by a post this much since the one a couple years
ago about a guy dumping his backer.

And nice try on spelling 'peasant'....Freudian slip?
 
pt109 said:
I hate ivory ferrules.:angry:
And I hate the stupid little dowels that come with them.:angry:
So I got used to playing with 57 in. cues.

regards
pt..<..who feels better now....:smile2:
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I hate 57 inch cues, and don't get me started on techno
 
cuesblues said:
I hate 57 inch cues, and don't get me started on techno
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Shortening a cue by taking off the ivory ferrule actually strengthens the
hit..I did it to a Szamboti and waiting for whitey to stop spinning became
a significant portion of my table time...:cool:
..although I did get a few sneers from collectors.

And don't knock techno...look at what they've done to golf clubs.
..naturally there will be many gizmos that are gaffs...
..but they get outed.

Oh, and did I mention I hate call shot 10-ball with an option?
This rule eliminates much more skill than it does luck....:angry:

..talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...:eek:
 
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