Good point ! But we can only put out one fire at a time.
ABP boycotts Berhman's event
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You are exactly right !
Well then. I want to know this. Will the ABP Players also be boycotting the Seminole Pro Tour and the Turning Stone events because they are not either seeding, putting prize money up in advance as you are doing to the US Open?
Don't think so....doesn't smell right. They could have PM'ed a couple of key members and verified.
I can understand your argument, but Barry Behrman is not your employer. Professional pool players are independent contractors. I have worked as a contractor before and there are many times I billed someone and was paid at a much later date. There are in fact many businesses that run in this fashion.
Would it be better to be paid in full later, or to sink an event that eventually pays everyone? As I stated before, it seems like a short sided stance to boycott an event that pays everyone, albeit pays them belated sometimes.
If there are players who did not get paid, then I am on the bandwagon.
Would you rather Barry pays late or would you prefer him to cut the prize fund and pay in full at the time of the event?
I want to be on the side of the players, but it seems to me that you guys are shooting yourself in the foot. I have an outsiders perspective and by definition don't have all the insights you are privy to, but I thought that was the point of the press release and this Q & A was to inform the public of the facts and your intentions.
Wanting to get paid as soon as the tournament is over is absolutely reasonable but everyone has been paid from past US Opens.
To boycott the most prestigious tournament on earth and have a 100% chance of not being paid at all rather than play with a slight chance that the top few guys might get paid a month or two later seems unreasonable.
We have never not been pain by either Zuglan or the Seminol Tribe !
I have no issues with that. You guys should be paid at the end of the tournament no matter what.
My question is about the ABP in general. Is this organization of players about how tournaments are run, or is the group actively trying to create new connections with possible sponsors for a pro tour?
Having expectations from promoters isn't wrong in any way, but without a major tour running through the U.S. I was just wondering if you guys have been using your collective energy towards progression on a grander scale.
Chris
Regardless of that. Your website states you have standards of seeding and such. Are they going to get a pass. Is that what you are saying?
If you are then the ABP has no set standards and there is no real union of the players so to speak and this basically just comes down to a beef with one event and one promoter and nothing more.
If Berry changed his flyer to where it says 1st place guarantee 15,000 and lower the entry fee.then he post up the entry,would you lift the boycott.
bill
We were doing an exhibition at Art of Billiards from 5 til 10:30 pm and when we originally posted we were being dragged out the door and had to stop posting .
Does that help you understand ? LOL
Are there any contracts signed before play at the US Open? Maybe Barry should have a Net 30 or Net 60 day clause in the contract about paying out the prizes.
Realistically, the money should be paid out upon the finish. I know most of us would flip out if we played in a local tournament and the TD told us he would pay in 30 days.
Money goes in (entry fees), money should come out (cash prizes).
I signed my name after what I said, and I hope you laughed at least once.
BB's actions have become contageous to other promoter that think they can do the same things to us that BB is doing right now ! We have to put a stop to it .
I understand what you're saying, but it is not as simple as that. If the prize only consisted of entry money, there wouldn't be any issue. The problem is that Barry adds more money to the pot than he has in an attempt to make the tourney as "big" as possible; this usually results in him biting off more than he can chew.
He is depending on vendor money and spectators to fill in the difference. If his cost outweighs the "money in" as you put it, the rest of the "money out" has to come out of his pocket.
Maybe he should only guarantee a much smaller added amount than he does. Then if there isn't enough "money in", he doesn't have to worry about paying the players late. He doesn't have to worry about playing the players late because they won't be getting as much and it won't come out of his pocket.
Yep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
I just text messaged Shawn and it IS him and he's not alone. Other members are with him and answering these questions.
Ray