Dammit SS I can't WIN any money on this forum if people keep spoiling my prop bets. ;-)
Cuetec and the pros that use them
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Dammit SS I can't WIN any money on this forum if people keep spoiling my prop bets. ;-)
Well, there was never any damage done, since JB never lands anyone taking his prop bets in the first place... <doh!>
How so? If the concept is that it's the indian and not the arrow then obviously anything resembling an arrow should be "good enough". Yet the indians took great care in making arrows.
It's actually the indian AND the arrow.
Don't want to argue percentages but sure if the person using the equipment also built the equipment then it's no one's fault but their own if the equipment works or does not work. But just for the sake of fun what if you had an Indian who was the best marksman in the world. For whatever reason he builds a bunch of arrows where one of the flights is too short causing the arrows to veer uncontrollably.
So here you have an indian who previously built perfect arrows and has the skill to hit the target perfectly every time. When he takes this batch of defective arrows out and can't hit any target is it the indian or the arrow that is the reason the target can't be hit.
The equipment does make a useful difference.
If you don't think so then ask yourself if you would accept this proposition bet: (this is assuming that you have a halfway decent understanding of cues)
You pick any two relatively even matched professional players. You bet a large amount on the one you think will win. I then get to give the player you chose a cue that is purchased off-the-rack from one of these stores, K-Mart, Wal-Mart, Sears, or a sporting goods chain.
Would you be 100% comfortable in your large bet with nothing more than an equipment chance for your player?
Right.
By the way, to avoid misunderstanding, I'm a great fan of fine custom-cue-making, and as able to tell a difference as anyone (I believe - mostly everyone believes so, of course, or then claims there is no difference). But I won't say one can't play superbly with any stick one is used to and doesn't find totally horrible. The point to me rather is that a great cue adds genuine fun to playing, and enjoying it more makes me feel like I play better, even if on paper I may not be running more balls than with a serviceable house cue with a good tip on it. In short, as pointed out earlier, it adds to one's confidence level to use good equipment - which in turn tells us something about what pros have who can play with a broomstick: self-confidence may be entirely based on one's self! Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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LOL.
Cuetecs hit solid. Mark could probably play with anything though.
Obviously, different people have different tastes in regards to hit. Some might like it, some might hate it. And some might not have the insight to try out lots of different tips on it (from soft to hard) to find out what combo of cue and tip feels the best. But even after that, if you don't like it, you can't really knock it.
The proven track record of championships is there, and to say that someone would have won MORE by using something other then a cuetec is just a lump of garbage, and there is absolutely no way to prove it. For all we know, all the champs who won with cuetecs, might have played just a tad worse with some other cue, and that might have cost them the majority of their titles.
Maybe you get better rolls with a cuetec and that's why it has so many titles behind it.
Must be cause everyone knows cuetecs are junk.
LOLI know a guy who used to play pretty good pool. Never ever left the area really. Not a world beater, not a hack. Hung around the top local tier.
He had an old grey Strickland model cuetec with the sparkles in the butt and it had a cuetec shaft that apparently was longer then standard, and thinner. Think it was a 12 or 12.25mm. It definitely wasn't 13, but it had the fiberglass coating on it so i would assume that it was something cuetec offered aftermarket.
Remember he was hitting balls with it and some guys were looking at it and one said something like, "Did you buy that for your girlfriend?" making fun of the sparkles. So obviously, they matched up, and it ended when the cuetec guy Shishkabob-ed this other guy a few sets, where the other guy cracked the butt of his Schon. (after the cuetec guy ran a 5 pack to close out the last set)
It might not be glamorous. They sure as hell aren't collectible. And there is no prestige in them whatsoever. That's a given.
But for some people that just want to play the game and could care less about everything cue, cuetec is perfectly capable of getting the job done.
If it's not meant to be taken literally then why say it? Performance is objective. When you pick up a cue then you use it to do something. It's a tool to be used to manipulate an object.
We all accept that there are performance differences in tools in other areas in our lives so why not accept that there are performance differences in cues?
So I will give you another shot. Same proposition but this time I get to choose the cue and you get to choose the tip. You can put on any tip you like on the cue I choose but you cannot change anything else about the cue.
Do you still feel comfortable betting a large amount of money on your player?
Ok. Let's make this a real bet then.
I will try to get two pro players to match up a race to 20 for $1000. I will allow you to pick the player you prefer to bet on and you have to wager $1000.
We will do this at the Super Billiards Expo in 2012. I will be there and can go cue shopping at the local mall/chain stores. You can specify what tip you want on that cue and we will allow any of the excellent cue repair guys to install it.
The installer is NOT allowed to modify the cue in any way other than to glue the tip on. They are not allowed to change the ferrule or any other aspect of the cue.
If we have a bet then are you willing to put your $1000 into escrow with someone else here on AZB until then? The winning player gets 50% of the winning amount.
I personally believe that the cue I select will affect the player's game by at least 20% or more. To be completely fair I will grant your player 30 minutes to warm up using the cue so that they can get used to it.
Do we have a bet?
No, we don't have a bet. I agree there are performance differences between cues and toys. A Kmart raminwood Carmen Electra isn't going to play well, no matter what.
What about this? A beautiful custom cue with a neglected tip vs any legit cheap production cue, i.e. Lucky, Cuetec, Star, Players, etc, with a perfectly groomed tip of the players choice?
What about this? A beautiful custom cue with a neglected tip vs any legit cheap production cue, i.e. Lucky, Cuetec, Star, Players, etc, with a perfectly groomed tip of the players choice?
Ahh so the arrow does matter? Now the cue has to fit your idea of "legit"?
Why don't you do this. Go find your favorite professional player and ask him the following two questions?
1. Who is the toughest opponent for you?
2. Would you gamble against that opponent for a large amount of your own money if you had to use an unfamiliar cue?
Presumably a professional player should know what feels good to them and they should be able to adapt to a new cue much quicker than amateurs.
So would they be willing to bet the farm against an equally skilled opponent with a cue that they didn't know (or like)?
I doubt it. I think that just about any pro will tell you that playing with a cue that they don't feel confident with is like spotting many games in a short race.
I'll take Shane and his Cuetec. Who's your man?
Efren came to this country with a $14 piece of driftwood. How do you explain that?
Naturally, you get used to what you're playing with. This is also the feel, hit, and playability that becomes comfortable. Radically changing the specs of one's cue is going to make anyone a little dizzy.
However, no cue is a silver bullet. Buddy Hall played Lucasi, Mike Sigel-Meucci, and Johnny Archer still plays with a Scorpion, hard to believe.
In golf, players get fitted for their equipment. Not just for size, but also for clubhead speed, and style of play. In pool, it's pick out what feels good. Mostly what feels good is just the tip.
Efren came to this country with a $14 piece of driftwood. How do you explain that?
Naturally, you get used to what you're playing with. This is also the feel, hit, and playability that becomes comfortable. Radically changing the specs of one's cue is going to make anyone a little dizzy.
However, no cue is a silver bullet. Buddy Hall played Lucasi, Mike Sigel-Meucci, and Johnny Archer still plays with a Scorpion, hard to believe.
In golf, players get fitted for their equipment. Not just for size, but also for clubhead speed, and style of play. In pool, it's pick out what feels good. Mostly what feels good is just the tip.
Damn man. Don't be dissing the sportscraft cues. They play AMAZING!
Haha
And how about that SportCraft chalk! Amazing stuff.
And how about that SportCraft chalk! Amazing stuff.
If you spit in it, it plays just like Kamui chalk, but for $0.08 / cube
This is pure genius.
funny story about Shane,
I have been told be about 10-15 different people, that his old Schone was the biggest POS cue they had ever played with. infact he played with a broken ferrule for months i think. His R-360 off the shelf doesn't play bad at all F.Y.I., my point is this, that kit would run out with a broomstick, LITTERALLY.
A cue that plays better than the other will almost never decide the out come of a match. You can take that to the bank.
I have been told be about 10-15 different people, that his old Schone was the biggest POS cue they had ever played with. infact he played with a broken ferrule for months i think. His R-360 off the shelf doesn't play bad at all F.Y.I., my point is this, that kit would run out with a broomstick, LITTERALLY.
A cue that plays better than the other will almost never decide the out come of a match. You can take that to the bank.
That's not what she said!
dallaskennels
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:thumbup::thumbup: i sold my 1,150 $ predator cue and buy a cue tec r360 and is great..... in my newbie opinion this r360 is great and an afordable price....