HAMB in the long run


Well he handles the cue ball at least as good as an APA 4. Tell you what though, based on what I see if it were me I'd definitely stop writing about how to play and just keep head towards that million balls if I were him.

I certainly wouldn't be writing a damn thing AGAINST any aiming method out there if were ranked a 3 in a local weekly tournament.

And if I were a three then I'd be damn grateful for any help I could get.
 
Excellent post.
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HAMB is a great way to improve. However, you still have to hit them the right way.
One can think that he is doing something right and be totally wrong.
Along the way one needs help and guidance.
Conclusions must be drawn, processes refined, superfluous discarded, etc.
Feedback from ball reactions is one thing, another feedback on stroke, routine from an observer combined with your own impressions is needed too.
That’s how a solid base can be build.

I think you mentioned specialty shots and how the fundamentals don't apply to them.
Well, once again exceptions have their own sets of rules and fundamentals.
If you need that much weight than you are in very early stages of your development.
I would get qualified help and work more on fundamentals.
 
Well stated.

I had read/heard that Efren would watch lower ability players for hours observing their shots, so that he could learn and repeat them. Because there were some shots they came up with that nobody has seen before.

Just so you know, ones mindset IS a skill. One you have ignored up to now. And, it is a very important skill. One that needs to be honed. Another skill set you have totally dissed is learning everything you can from whomever you can, instead of thinking YOUR way is the ONLY way to improve. ;)
 
Well stated.

I had read/heard that Efren would watch lower ability players for hours observing their shots, so that he could learn and repeat them. Because there were some shots they came up with that nobody has seen before.

i think efren was on to something. i am going to start watching and learning from a couple women that are 2s and 3s in my division.

now i am going to go practice a shot i saw a 2 make in last weeks tri cup.

here is the shot; the 9 ball is 4 inches from the bottom left corner pocket. she had ball in hand and places the cue ball on the foot spot. she gets down on the shot and draws back and fires it in. no wait ...the 9 hits the left point then the right point, flies down along the left side long rail passing the side pocket catching the side pocket point . zips across the table and landing in the right side pocket.

now thats the most amazing shot i have ever seen !
 
Just so you know, ones mindset IS a skill. One you have ignored up to now. And, it is a very important skill. One that needs to be honed. Another skill set you have totally dissed is learning everything you can from whomever you can, instead of thinking YOUR way is the ONLY way to improve. ;)

My way is the only way for me. I never have said my was was the only way as some would say about their way. This is why I believe it isn't what you use but how you use it. I also don't go around bragging about my way either. Or making post to try to stir shit up.

You make an assumption that I do not learn from others. You have no idea at what all I do to improve. Just because I do not follow the herd like most on here, doesn't mean I do not know how to learn and where to look for answer.

I'm not sitting there during a match in a tourney doing nothing. I'm observing everything that is going on the table. That is the best learning environment there is.

I do agree the the mental aspect is a skill set and one that really takes a long time to understand fully because it involves learning about yourself and that is not always a easy thing to do.
 
Wow, you guy must be really good at judging someone true level of play just from some clips that only show single shots and none about running balls and such or banks, or combo's or carom....in other words, yall are full of shit.

I also mentioned when I first posted those that because of what I saw in those clips, I changed some things about my stroke.

Plus, yall must have over looked that fact I've mentioned that I haven't played that long in this tourney, so they just started me at the normal level for new player. I also said that because of my past finishes, I'm going up... but hey I'm used to people with selective reading.

Too funny......Oh where are some videos of some you you guys? Post them up.

Show your stop shot, draw shot and so on. Post up or shut up.
 
OK I'll bite.

Feel free to clock me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/amarcino1?feature=mhee




Wow, you guy must be really good at judging someone true level of play just from some clips that only show single shots and none about running balls and such or banks, or combo's or carom....in other words, yall are full of shit.

I also mentioned when I first posted those that because of what I saw in those clips, I changed some things about my stroke.

Plus, yall must have over looked that fact I've mentioned that I haven't played that long in this tourney, so they just started me at the normal level for new player. I also said that because of my past finishes, I'm going up... but hey I'm used to people with selective reading.

Too funny......Oh where are some videos of some you you guys? Post them up.

Show your stop shot, draw shot and so on. Post up or shut up.
 
Wow, you guy must be really good at judging someone true level of play just from some clips that only show single shots and none about running balls and such or banks, or combo's or carom....in other words, yall are full of shit.

I could not tell much from the clips. I'd like to see some video of you making the shots you have diagrammed and challenged us with. I think you have plenty of people willing to bet you can't make those shots consistently if at all.

I also mentioned when I first posted those that because of what I saw in those clips, I changed some things about my stroke.

Ok. Good for you. Is there some reason you had to post them to YouTube in order to analyze yourself?

Plus, yall must have over looked that fact I've mentioned that I haven't played that long in this tourney, so they just started me at the normal level for new player. I also said that because of my past finishes, I'm going up... but hey I'm used to people with selective reading.

I confess I sort of stopped reading where you said you were ranked a three in a tournament which goes at least to nine-speeds. My personal pride would never allow me to accept such a low ranking if I felt I were better than that. I don't steal and I consider it a form of stealing to get in local rinky-dink events with a handicap that is way out of line. I know other people don't see anything wrong with it but this is one spot where my own personal moral compass stays in one direction. I'd rather lose by being over handicapped rather than win by being under-handicapped.

Too funny......Oh where are some videos of some you you guys? Post them up.

Show your stop shot, draw shot and so on. Post up or shut up.

Mine are on YouTube - user id is jbideastoo - Dave has some up as well with some sporty shooting. Mybuster has a bunch up showing himself making a lot of tough shots.

You definitely don't want any part of Neil in any game.

I am not really sure what you expect to find out by us showing how we shoot basic shots.

My problem with you is that you speak out so actively against something you won't even try and which perhaps you are not even skilled enough to learn yet. I think if Bruce Lee were to read your posts here he would have told you to shut up and practice more. From the way you write I had thought you were a better player than you are. It seems though that you have no business talking about the HAMB method when it's clear you aren't even through your first 10,000 shots yet. And thus you certainly have no credibility to dismiss aiming systems or those who teach them.

Of course you are entitled to speak your mind. But you can certainly expect to earn criticism when you attempt to dissect something you don't even know how to do and you mention that you are ranked so low in local tournaments. People on this forum who can actually play some have a hard time taking you seriously when you reveal that you are a low-skilled player.

And if you are not low-skilled then I certainly question the virtue in accepting a handicap that is much lower than you should have.
 
Wow, you guy must be really good at judging someone true level of play just from some clips that only show single shots and none about running balls and such or banks, or combo's or carom....in other words, yall are full of shit.

I also mentioned when I first posted those that because of what I saw in those clips, I changed some things about my stroke.

Plus, yall must have over looked that fact I've mentioned that I haven't played that long in this tourney, so they just started me at the normal level for new player. I also said that because of my past finishes, I'm going up... but hey I'm used to people with selective reading.

Too funny......Oh where are some videos of some you you guys? Post them up.

Show your stop shot, draw shot and so on. Post up or shut up.

I agree with Neil....always keep a open mind..Aiming is about alinement to the shot.It is a start to finish thing.(has to be).You need to know how adjust for the hit on the cb...the distance the speed.If u get it done one way and i get it done 4 different ways should it matter.

Just got me a 4 1/2 x 9 Brunswick...i will post a video for u down the road that may leave u scratching your head..
These videos are of me on a baby box which will hurt your game if you want to improve in pool.(Thats why i got rid of it)

PS i also know the way a great player by the name of Louie pocketed balls.:D (Dont ask ,not telling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R9NaSROH7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe4eEUnIiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ih5f1cTIeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyCmdq1hP6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDJcWV8t7o
 
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Duckie, I hope you noticed that your body comes up when as you are coming through a ball. I hope that you have changed that. That is a sure path to inconsistency.



I also mentioned when I first posted those that because of what I saw in those clips, I changed some things about my stroke.
 
Nice shooting none the less.

Your right, your game will only elevate, as you spend time on a tougher table.

Looking forward to more vids.

I agree with Neil....always keep a open mind..Aiming is about alinement to the shot.It is a start to finish thing.(has to be).You need to know how adjust for the hit on the cb...the distance the speed.If u get it done one way and i get it done 4 different ways should it matter.

Just got me a 4 1/2 x 9 Brunswick...i will post a video for u down the road that may leave u scratching your head..
These videos are of me on a baby box which will hurt your game if you want to improve in pool.(Thats why i got rid of it)

PS i also know the way a great player by the name of Louie pocketed balls.:D (Dont ask ,not telling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R9NaSROH7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe4eEUnIiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ih5f1cTIeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyCmdq1hP6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDJcWV8t7o
 
I'm a big fan of the concept of the HAMB form of practice and the use of all 15 balls for drill for the majority of practice time.

For my tourney play, I use a training practice where I will play in tourneys or 14.1 leagues for a bit, and cut back on practice time somewhat. Then, I will stop doing both for a bit and go into hard time practice mode, HAMB. Sorta on and off seasons.

I use my performance in competition to gauge how well I practice and what I need to practice. It is during the HAMB training that I work on these areas.

I've been doing this for about 2 years now. Last night was the season opener for me. I played the most comfortable I ever have. From the hours of hitting all types of shots from all sorts of positions on the table, for the first time ever did not ever question my skill. If I missed a shot, it was from poor execution and not lack of skill. There is a big difference.

If I miss, I knew why and not wondered why.

From the hours of hitting banks, I was able to hit my balls during safety battles and not have to wonder what to do, I knew what to do.

From the hours of hitting balls in clusters, I was able to break out my balls in clusters and place my opponents balls where I wanted.

From the hours of using nothing but pocket speed, I was able to keep CB movement to the minimum which make getting positions alot easier than you think.

From the hours of using inside spin, I was able to put the CB anywhere I wanted.

I've been having a urge/hunger in me lately about my pool playing. Last night, I understood.

FWIW

You should be careful with believing that NOW you finally figured everything out just because you played great one night. If you can keep this level of play over the next few weeks, then congratulations. That's a great feeling to finally have accomplished something. But be warned. Tomorrow your great form might be gone already, leaving you with nothing but a great experience.
2 more things:
1. Poor execution = lack of skill. But I know what point you were trying to get across. It's like, you could have easily pocketed that ball, but you didn't give it your full attention. Still...
2. I'm not sure what HAMB really is about. Hitting a million balls, ok. But every pool player is gonna do HAMB eventually...
How do you practice?
 
The issue for me is trying to get as consistent as I am during practice in competition. The shots are second nature during practice, but then it seems I get in the way during tourney's.

When I miss in practice, there is no punishment like during competition.

Try this then. Play the ghost. Every time you lose to the Ghost you have to come on AZB and apologize to all the instructors for being critical of their teaching methods.

That should be enough pressure for you.

Of course I suspect that the forum would quickly be filled up with and endless litany of apologies from you.
 
Try this then. Play the ghost. Every time you lose to the Ghost you have to come on AZB and apologize to all the instructors for being critical of their teaching methods.

That should be enough pressure for you.

Of course I suspect that the forum would quickly be filled up with and endless litany of apologies from you.

I don't think he would have the time to hit a million balls if he took your route.
 
If this forum would allow me to rep you I would.


Try this then. Play the ghost. Every time you lose to the Ghost you have to come on AZB and apologize to all the instructors for being critical of their teaching methods.

That should be enough pressure for you.

Of course I suspect that the forum would quickly be filled up with and endless litany of apologies from you.
 
Hitting a million balls will get you there as long as you have absorbed correct fundamentals. I have the very same problem---practice can only do so much; however, it's the only source of preparation for the box....two totally different mindsets. I wouldn't stand a chance matching up with a guy that plays and gambles on a regular basis, even if I make more balls during practice. So it all boils down to hitting a million balls in the right mindstate which of course can only be done when you can't do the same thing over and over again, that would be practice stroking.

When the odometer hits 500...you should be ready duckie. I get my world rocked each time I hit a ball and I still have another few hundy to go. I wonder what it feels like during action. Maybe like a really high performance car taking a sharp turn.
 
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