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Is it possible for a full time job/father to become a professional pool player? Or is it just not in the cards?

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It depends on where you are starting from. If you are in your 20's and you have achieved a high level of pool (think shortstop or higher) once before in your life, it is possible if you have the drive and talent (and free time). If you are in your 50's or later and have never been more than a C player, your odds are near zero.

Also, I dont know if your family would appreciate you becoming a pro unless you have some kind of residual income or a lot of savings for once you go pro.
 
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Is it possible for a full time job/father to become a professional pool player? Or is it just not in the cards?

Honesty makes friends, I'm not scared of a negative answer. Even if it is a dream.

I know a player with a part time job, a wife and a child that is doing great in the pro circuit. He is now in is late 20's but was playing at a pro standard since he was perhaps 16 to 18 yo.
 
Honestly.....

Most pro players SHOULD have another job. There is no money in pool. The top players in the world make like $120K max/year. I know people that paint cars in a body shop that make more than that.
 
If your starting from scratch, or close to it. I believe it would be a tough road to do it.

All the really good players I know, have at one point in time lived in a pool hall for a 4-6 year stretch. Most working people with families don't have the free time or the finances to make this happen.

Now it wouldn't be impossible. Say install a table in your house, practice religiously every free moment. Ignore the wife and kids as much as possible and you could conceivably become a very strong player. But, to play pro level your gonna have to hit the road or tournament trail at some point. I think this is the stage that the plan might fall apart.

I know of one local player who went from banger to strong shortstop in his early 30's with a family. But I can't think of a pro level player who has done it. For most people I know, we played our best pool at 20, and it`s going to stay that way.
 
120 k a year.........then you have REALLY have to search a bit longer- there are for sure just a few who can say seriously that they have earned 120 k with price money.
 
If a pool player is fortunate enough to collect $120,000 in prize monies from shooting pool competitively, you can be sure that almost half of that -- YES, I said HALF -- goes to expenses. And let's not forget about taxes.

When you add in hotel, travel expense, entry fees, food, et cetera, it eats up at least half of what anybody earns. And this holds true especially today when you take into consideration that pool players must travel the international globe to keep up with today's tournament trail. It's not just in the States anymore if you want to be a so-called "professional."

Furthermore, if you have a spouse and family, they must be prepared for the fact that you will be on the road, sometimes more often than you are at home. The income source, if only pool, will not be secure. The spouse may have to not only keep the homefront afloat by paying bills, buying food, paying other house-related expenses, but they may have to be the sole breadwinner by getting a job outside of the home. Professional pool today is a rich man's high.

For a single gentleman or lady, if you have no family responsibilities, then it might be fun to live out of a suitcase, with no permanent home to pay for. Traveling around the world could be exciting.

In order to break even on expenses, however, you must come in first, second, or third place in the majority of pool events that you compete in. If you have good credit, you could support yourself for about 5 years on $100,000 charged to your credit line. You will eventually have to pay it back, however, which could result in you having to give up pool permanently and get -- gasp! -- a job. You can live high off the hog for about 5 years on your credit line.

The majority of people today that are able to turn a profit in pool are industry members with product for sale, industry members and/or print media folks who have their expenses paid by another source so they can travel the globe for free, and tournament directors who get paid a fee for their services. Pool players are on the bottom of the totem pole and are merely dancing monkeys who perform for any crumbs that are left over.

Pool players will most likely die broke and alone if they pursue a career in pool for a lifetime. While they are on top of the world and hitting them strong, they are the print media and industry members' darlings. When the pool players can't shoot anymore due to age, they will be discarded and forgotten, oftentimes ridiculed for their choice in life to become a so-called "professional pool player." They end up pariahs. Today's pool culture in these United States is most definitely cruel to its own and deems pool players as no-talent homeless bums that are the scum of the earth.

I hope that helps clarify what it's like to be an American professional pool player in the year 2011. :)
 
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If a pool player is fortunate enough to collect $120,000 in prize monies from shooting pool competitively, you can be sure that almost half of that -- YES, I said HALF -- goes to expenses. And let's not forget about taxes.

When you add in hotel, travel expense, entry fees, food, et cetera, it eats up at least half of what anybody earns. And this holds true especially today when you take into consideration that pool players must travel the international globe to keep up with today's tournament trail. It's not just in the States anymore if you want to be a so-called "professional."

Furthermore, if you have a spouse and family, they must be prepared for the fact that you will be on the road, sometimes more often than you are at home. The income source, if only pool, will not be secure. The spouse may have to not only keep the homefront afloat by paying bills, buying food, paying other house-related expenses, but they may have to be the sole breadwinner by getting a job outside of the home. Professional pool today is a rich man's high.

For a single gentleman or lady, if you have no family responsibilities, then it might be fun to live out of a suitcase, with no permanent home to pay for. Traveling around the world could be exciting.

In order to break even on expenses, however, you must come in first, second, or third place in the majority of pool events that you compete in. If you have good credit, you could support yourself for about 5 years on $100,000 charged to your credit line. You will eventually have to pay it back, however, which could result in you having to give up pool permanently and get -- gasp! -- a job. You can live high off the hog for about 5 years on your credit line.

The majority of people today that are able to turn a profit in pool are industry members with product for sale, industry members and/or print media folks who have their expenses paid by another source so they can travel the globe for free, and tournament directors who get paid a fee for their services. Pool players are on the bottom of the totem pole and are merely dancing monkeys who perform for any crumbs that are left over.

Pool players will most likely die broke and alone if they pursue a career in pool for a lifetime. While they are on top of the world and hitting them strong, they are the print media and industry members' darlings. When the pool players can't shoot anymore due to age, they will be discarded and forgotten, oftentimes ridiculed for their choice in life to become a so-called "professional pool player." They end up pariahs. Today's pool culture in these United States is most definitely cruel to its own and deems pool players as no-talent homeless bums that are the scum of the earth.

I hope that helps clarify what it's like to be an American professional pool player in the year 2011. :)

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And I didn't even get into the occupational hazards of the tournament trail.

Some well-known pool players today can't even lift their cue without popping a prescription pill. These prescription pills are often provided to them through unconventional means, to include "friends" providing the pills to them. A pill can bring in as much as $10 a pop at some pool events. Why? Because many pool players can't function without them, sad to say, and their addiction is so great that they need gobble up more pills than what is the customary prescribed dosage.

And it's not just limited to pills. Substance abuse is a definite occupational hazard in pool.

Some pool players can't wait to attend pool events away from their spouses, so that they can take full advantage of the amenities on site at various pool events. Prostitutes are able to make a hefty profit at pool tournaments, and some pool players never leave their hotel rooms while taking advantage of this amenity. Instead of concentrating on the competition at the field of green, these players elect to remain in their rooms and concentrate on other matters. It takes a strong marriage to survive a pool lifestyle.

Eating fast food is quite popular with some pool players. Number one, it's all they can afford, or number two, it's the only thing available at midnight after a full day of competition. There is not much nutritional value on the average pool player's diet.
 
Jenny, your whole post is right on. Anyone contemplating playing pool as a livelihood should think twice. They are bucking the odds to begin with. They should also remember the world owes them and everyone else, nothing. So when they get old and are in bad health they are on their own. That's the way life works.

I've played pool for 45 years and have seen players with talent trying to turn it into a "profession". Seldom did it happen. It's actually hard for me to have sympathy for them. While I was working my butt off at a real job and sacrificing to provide for my family, some of the wantaby pros were hanging around pool halls all day... every day. Some of them had families too, but it was their choice to play pool full-time instead.
 
If a pool player is fortunate enough to collect $120,000 in prize monies from shooting pool competitively, you can be sure that almost half of that -- YES, I said HALF -- goes to expenses. And let's not forget about taxes.

When you add in hotel, travel expense, entry fees, food, et cetera, it eats up at least half of what anybody earns. And this holds true especially today when you take into consideration that pool players must travel the international globe to keep up with today's tournament trail. It's not just in the States anymore if you want to be a so-called "professional."

Furthermore, if you have a spouse and family, they must be prepared for the fact that you will be on the road, sometimes more often than you are at home. The income source, if only pool, will not be secure. The spouse may have to not only keep the homefront afloat by paying bills, buying food, paying other house-related expenses, but they may have to be the sole breadwinner by getting a job outside of the home. Professional pool today is a rich man's high.

For a single gentleman or lady, if you have no family responsibilities, then it might be fun to live out of a suitcase, with no permanent home to pay for. Traveling around the world could be exciting.

In order to break even on expenses, however, you must come in first, second, or third place in the majority of pool events that you compete in. If you have good credit, you could support yourself for about 5 years on $100,000 charged to your credit line. You will eventually have to pay it back, however, which could result in you having to give up pool permanently and get -- gasp! -- a job. You can live high off the hog for about 5 years on your credit line.

The majority of people today that are able to turn a profit in pool are industry members with product for sale, industry members and/or print media folks who have their expenses paid by another source so they can travel the globe for free, and tournament directors who get paid a fee for their services. Pool players are on the bottom of the totem pole and are merely dancing monkeys who perform for any crumbs that are left over.

Pool players will most likely die broke and alone if they pursue a career in pool for a lifetime. While they are on top of the world and hitting them strong, they are the print media and industry members' darlings. When the pool players can't shoot anymore due to age, they will be discarded and forgotten, oftentimes ridiculed for their choice in life to become a so-called "professional pool player." They end up pariahs. Today's pool culture in these United States is most definitely cruel to its own and deems pool players as no-talent homeless bums that are the scum of the earth.

I hope that helps clarify what it's like to be an American professional pool player in the year 2011. :)

Do some of the top players get their entry fees and expenses paid by their sponsors?
 
Best pool at 20? I don't think anybody played there best pool at age 20.

A few did.

Every good pool player has a streak of greatness, some longer than others.

To date, Earl's had the longest streak in America. Other players that come to mind are Nick, Mike Sigel, Jean Balukas, and Allen Hopkins. :)
 
Do some of the top players get their entry fees and expenses paid by their sponsors?

You know the answer to this, Donny, but I'll humor you, if you like! :p

Some do, and some of these players have their entry fees and expenses paid secretly, unbeknownst to the other competitors. While everybody else has to pay their entry fee and hotel expense, these sponsored players are given free hotel rooms and entry fees. This is not a fact that is made public at some events.

It kind of sucks to go to regional tours when some players get FREE entry fees, and everybody else has to pay. This used to be a common practice, but I'm not sure if it happens anymore since most regional tours today ban pro players or make them pay higher entry fees and give a huge handicap to other competitors in the event.

To be sure, though, hotel and entry fee expenditures do not even compare to the other expenses associated with the tournament trail on a full-time basis. If you have a home or other family-related responsibilities, well, while you're out there spending money to play pool at the tournament, you're not bringing any money in by way of income. Again, if you don't win, place, or show, then you are stuck big time. Even when you do win, place, or show, you're so stuck from other pool events that it's only a mere drop in the bucket.
 
It depends?

If you have a problem with drugs, drinks, gambling, etc.., you aint going to get there. If you want to get there and your job pays you enough to pay for the coaching, you are starting from a b+ level and you have a very stable home...., it could happen.

Most of the best player in the world are in their 40's or 50's now..., yoor starting late, but if you can stay in the center of the road, avoid the pit falls and work like hell, way not?

The best in the world, maybe not..., but a pro, why not...., not every pro plays Mr. Reyes's speed.
 
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One last thought. If reading a few posts changes your thoughts on whether you can or can't, then you can't. I would guess those that have done it felt at the beginning, "I'm doing it and I don't care what ANYBODY says". For the vast majority of us the 'serious hobby' in the right choice. Luckily, there are also those out there that won't be denied.
 
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