A simple fix for the "Wanted/For Sale" section.....your thoughts?

poolfool1957

poolfool1957

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I dont pretend that this will be the "do all-end all" for the issues that are being addressed in this section. I do however think it is a simple, workable solution that will help all of us including the owners of Az to improve this forum and make it far more user friendly.

Let's make the title a much more useable tool. Right now I dont think we can edit a title after we post a new thread. If I am wrong about this then please educate me.

The title of the thread MUST indicate the cue/case, other billiard related item price or the value of the item that you wish to sell or trade.

The title Must also state one or the other...NEW or USED

There should be a field that is a part of the title with an icon such as a $ sign or perhaps a dollar bill that can be changed each time the item price is lowered and when the item sells, the icon is changed to SOLD.

One bump per day limit.

Require a club membership in order to list anything for sale or trade. If no membership then a flat fee per listing.


The idea here is to provide most of the information needed for a prospective customer/trade partner to either look at or bypass a thread.

You will already know if the item is in your price range.

You will know by looking at the icon if the price has changed or if the item has sold.

This does not stop anyone from looking at any threads they choose to but it does narrow your seach if you know you are only looking in a particular price range or are only looking for a trade.

One bump per day per thread will slow up the movement to page 4, 5 or 6 an hour after you bump your thread.

This will require some addtional work by the owners of Az but I would guess they could knock it out in a reasonable period of time. Additional memberships and fees for non-members will certainly pay for the work involved with getting this set up.

Oh......I wish to offer up one cube of Magic chalk for $75.00 including paypal fees and shipping to ANYWHERE. Pics forthcoming
 
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The issues the owners are dealing with seem to be related to actual and potential law suits. Do your suggestions have anything to do with that?
 
I'm no lawyer so I would not attempt to fling some any legal advice against the wall in hopes it would stick. The suggestions I made are directed at reducing traffic and easing use in the forum.
 
AtLarge said:
The issues the owners are dealing with seem to be related to actual and potential law suits. Do your suggestions have anything to do with that?
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I believe the issues have MORE to do with advertisers. Why would anyone "buy" advertising space on AZ when they could simply sell their items via this forum? Frankly, that is what's happening. This forum has become a depot of dealers who use the forum to sell rather than purchase advertising space! AZ makes nothing from the sales the dealers make! Initially this forum was intended as a service to it's members looking for and selling used cues. Now...anyone trying to sell a used cue is constantly bumped by the dealers. Notice...those who are complaining about change the most are the dealers!

The BEST improvements that could be made in this forum is to:
1.) NO bumping by the OP or anyone else. You post your ad once. In say 1 month, it is removed or renewed. Also only 2 items can be sold during a 1 month period!
2.) Anyone selling NEW items or more than 2 items/month MUST purchase a banner ad to put in their signature. It identifies them as a dealer, and AZ gets some revenue! Advertisers who DO choose to purchase banner ads elsewhere on AZ would be pleased knowing that other dealers here are NOT getting something for nothing!
 
I don't think that most of you understand. The dealer and cue broker here have been selling to Azers at discount. This means prices to you the forum user will have to go up. Less cue or case for your money. Also there will be fewer new cue and case makers. Using Az a cheap tool to go in business. So less product in the billiard industry over all. This a bad thing. This will do one of two things. Lessen the viewer ship of az. Also costing the forums money. This cite was to be for pool player in Arizona only. I think it came along way. Much more then they hoped. (570) 847-7768
 
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breakin8 said:
I don't think that most of you understand. The dealer and cue broker here have been selling to Azers at discount. This means prices to you the forum user will have to go up. Less cue or case for your money. Also there will be fewer new cue and case makers. Using Az a cheap tool to go in business. So less product in the billiard industry over all. This a bad thing. This will do one of two things. Lessen the viewer ship of az. Also costing the forums money. This cite was to be for pool player in Arizona only. I think it came along way. Much more then they hoped. (570) 847-7768
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So otherwise, the dealers in this forum can undercut the dealers that advertise on AZ? It's no wonder they are complaining and possibly reassessing whether they should advertise on AZ or not! I don't think that is good for AZ.
BTW, if I'm not mistaken the AZ is not for Arizona...it is for A-Z.
 
My $.02 worth is simply that I don't feel anything was wrong with the section in the first place.

A little common courtesy and common sense usage among us as posters is all that is required.

If some advertisers were upset that new production cues were being sold below MAP, that is something that the advertisers should have handled...take the "dealership" away from those who are abusing the system. It is not AZB's fault.

Legal issues over deals gone bad make no sense to me. I don't understand how AZB could ever be held liable for any of that, but someone from AZ could be forced into the court room to explain things, so that is a cost/waste of time for them.

There is a big misconception, at least from where I stand, about the amounts of money and sales that are being "made" off AZ. For me, the large majority of of my transactions have been trade deals. I just enjoy having the opportunity of holding a large number of different cuemakers products for a little while. By doing trades, etc, I can see, feel and hit a wide variety of cues.

I joined AZB in 2005 after I retired due to medical reasons. Hanging out on AZB and doing a few transactions kept me in touch with a game that I love, and kept me assiciated with people who shared a common interest in the game of pool.

I have no idea what the true reasons are for the forthcoming announced changes by AZB are. AZ gained the great success that it now has based on things being the way they were, so it can't be all bad. Hopefully, things will be resolved in a manner that we can all live with, and we can all continue to enjoy the community.

Joe
 
breakin8 said:
You have sold alot of cues on here! No I'm wrong you posted alot of cues on here for sale. Sell mean you sell some thing.
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BTW, I think you need to check my feedback here and on Ebay!
Yes, I have sold a lot of cues here! I have also bought a lot of cues here. Additionally, I have bought a lot of cues from Seyberts and Ozone. However, I am now retired and disabled so I will continue to sell the remaining cues in my collection and occassionally help a friend sell or buy the cue of THEIR choosing. If the mods here change the rules, I will NOT complain...I will comply! I welcome the proposed new rules!
 
Other than limiting bumps and either being a club member or paying a flat listing fee, my main intention for this thread is to turn the "title" field into a more useful tool for anyone browsing. If we have the basic information needed to pull someone into or steer someone away from a thread (in this forum) I really think the issues that seem to annoy most will be greatly reduced. You won't have to open a thread to see if the latest action taken is just a bump or if it means there is a price reduction or other change to the posted terms.
If you know just by looking at the title that the item is new, used, up for trade, asking price or value, ect...it will make the browsing that much easier and effective.
My opinion of course.
 
Bamacues said:
... I have no idea what the true reasons are for the forthcoming announced changes by AZB are. ...
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Right. But, despite out lack of knowledge, we have a zillion suggested "fixes." I just hope that something said by someone will help the owners analyze the true problem(s) or perceived problem(s) and arrive at a solution.

poolfool1957 said:
... my main intention for this thread is to turn the "title" field into a more useful tool for anyone browsing. ...
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And I think you have made some good suggestions for enhancing the forum. But I have no idea whether anything you have suggested will help the owners address their problem(s) or perceived problem(s).
 
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Creating a sponcer's forum where business's can sell there wares upon a level playing field would be my idea. Any internet classified section should be "buyer beware" and any known scam artist should be drawn and quartered accordingly, live broadcast, on it's own forum...
 
The problem with all of our "solutions" to the For Sale Forum problems all have to do with what each of us thinks the problem is. Instead, he changes that will end up being made will serve to hopefully fix the problems as the owners of AZ see it. Jerry opened by saying he was going to stop people from listing new articles and that those people should buy a banner ad, and then followed up by (reportedly) saying the problem was that AZ was getting sued too much. That's pretty confusing to me as I don't see how one would effect the other, Jerry also said that he had read many of the suggestions and the powers that be were going to rethink their positions. I think its pretty clear that we as members members don't know what the owners perceive as the problems, and our fixes speak to only what we see the problems as. I think its too cluttered, so my solutions have to do with clutter. That's all well and good, except nobody ay AZ has said its their view that it is too cluttered. AZ says no more eBay links and I'm all "that won't reduce the clutter", but maybe its not the problem of clutter they thought they were addressing with the ban.

Myself, operating under the feeling that i was a member of a community, would have preferred if if the owners had come to the membership and told us what they thought the problems were, but apparently that's not their style.

Oh well.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Bamacues said:
My $.02 worth is simply that I don't feel anything was wrong with the section in the first place.

A little common courtesy and common sense usage among us as posters is all that is required.

If some advertisers were upset that new production cues were being sold below MAP, that is something that the advertisers should have handled...take the "dealership" away from those who are abusing the system. It is not AZB's fault.

Legal issues over deals gone bad make no sense to me. I don't understand how AZB could ever be held liable for any of that, but someone from AZ could be forced into the court room to explain things, so that is a cost/waste of time for them.

There is a big misconception, at least from where I stand, about the amounts of money and sales that are being "made" off AZ. For me, the large majority of of my transactions have been trade deals. I just enjoy having the opportunity of holding a large number of different cuemakers products for a little while. By doing trades, etc, I can see, feel and hit a wide variety of cues.

I joined AZB in 2005 after I retired due to medical reasons. Hanging out on AZB and doing a few transactions kept me in touch with a game that I love, and kept me assiciated with people who shared a common interest in the game of pool.

I have no idea what the true reasons are for the forthcoming announced changes by AZB are. AZ gained the great success that it now has based on things being the way they were, so it can't be all bad. Hopefully, things will be resolved in a manner that we can all live with, and we can all continue to enjoy the community.

Joe
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Yep.......
 
Bamacues said:
My $.02 worth is simply that I don't feel anything was wrong with the section in the first place.

A little common courtesy and common sense usage among us as posters is all that is required.

If some advertisers were upset that new production cues were being sold below MAP, that is something that the advertisers should have handled...take the "dealership" away from those who are abusing the system. It is not AZB's fault.

Legal issues over deals gone bad make no sense to me. I don't understand how AZB could ever be held liable for any of that, but someone from AZ could be forced into the court room to explain things, so that is a cost/waste of time for them.

There is a big misconception, at least from where I stand, about the amounts of money and sales that are being "made" off AZ. For me, the large majority of of my transactions have been trade deals. I just enjoy having the opportunity of holding a large number of different cuemakers products for a little while. By doing trades, etc, I can see, feel and hit a wide variety of cues.

I joined AZB in 2005 after I retired due to medical reasons. Hanging out on AZB and doing a few transactions kept me in touch with a game that I love, and kept me assiciated with people who shared a common interest in the game of pool.

I have no idea what the true reasons are for the forthcoming announced changes by AZB are. AZ gained the great success that it now has based on things being the way they were, so it can't be all bad. Hopefully, things will be resolved in a manner that we can all live with, and we can all continue to enjoy the community.

Joe
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Joe

I'm with you 100%, but the fact that you and I were happy with the forum the way it was unfortunately doesn't mean the owners were happy with it. I agree the lawsuit thing doesn't make much sense, especially in the light of Jerry's OP about new cues and banner ads. Unfortunately however, all that "doesn't makes sense" might really just mean we don't understand their issues.

Kevin
 
TheNewSharkster said:
The one requirement I would like to see is PRICE
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Cue whales don't want the apprx value of their assets known for a myriad of valid reasons.

i agree that asking price is necessary to an arbitrary #, however, once the price exceeds that threshold it needs to be on the downlow
 
ribdoner said:
Cue whales don't want the apprx value of their assets known for a myriad of valid reasons.

i agree that asking price is necessary to an arbitrary #, however, once the price exceeds that threshold it needs to be on the downlow
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Yeah, what he said.

Plus, there's always the fact that the odds of "no price" being one of the problems with the For Sale Forum from the owners' perspective being quite low, the odds of the owners endorsing this as a fix are correspondingly low.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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