Racist Cue Case

[cuesblues]

Well then stop being a bigot. You are as bad or worse than than some guy who uses that case.

OK then, I'm willing to accept that title even though I'm not a bigot.
Why do you think someone would buy that case and carry it into a pool room in this country?

For the sake of full disclosure, on my 3-league nights I am currently carrying a German made 2 x 3 buffalo Instroke.
Perfect for leagues, indestructible, and a very nice case.

 

[measureman]

I have read every post. Some good points were made pro and con towards this case. But I am still against the symbol on it. It just screams Nazi to me.
Now i think we should all have a nice cool bottle of "Hanks " water and calm down.

 

[Black-Balled]

I dont get it.., THE Thaiger wants to know if African Rhino skins or endangered species are the same as people being killed??? The same as genocide???

The Celtic thinks that this is the same as an Islamic symbol??? WOW!!

Thaiger is either ignorant or a poo-fly... well known as a shit-mixer.

 

[Mickey Qualls]

Well then stop being a bigot. You are as bad or worse than than some guy who uses that case.

So one that has a belief in that way of life is a 'bigot' for wanting to buy this case ?

OK then, I'm willing to accept that title even though I'm not a bigot.
Why do you think someone would buy that case and carry it into a pool room in this country?...

Again, someone who practices that particular belief would likely have no issues purchasing this case or carrying it into thier local poolhall.

I get that at first glance, it looks like a Nazi swastika symbol. And what it symbolizes and represents for some. But stop and think for a moment... You want to stop someone else from expressing thier beliefs in the form of artwork on thier cue case ? Especially when the artwork in question has an alternate meaning ??

Let's be honest, though... a great deal of how that symbol is interpreted will depend on the type of person that walks into the poolhall with that case, including, but not limited to, thier race, religious beliefs (if readily apparent) and sexual orientation.

It's a fact of life. It's the nature of the beast. People will be judged on thier appearance. That being said, that particular symbol on ANY case would make more trouble than it would be worth.

 

[LucasBilliards]

Why would a company even make this case? If it is, like some have said, for buddhists I'm sure they have plenty of other symbols they could have used. Why would you put anything that is or could be misconstrued as racist or offensive on any product you sell? Most people wouldn't know which direction a Nazi swastika is supposed to go I just know I see that and relate it to racism. I think most people in America would do the same. I just don't understand why even produce that case. Poor judgement in my opinion. I would certainly be offended if a guy came in with that case. Why would someone buy it to begin with? There are no positive meanings in which I am familiar and I'm willing to bet most people would agree. So again why?????

 

[Black-Balled]

Why would a company even make this case? If it is, like some have said, for buddhists I'm sure they have plenty of other symbols they could have used. Why would you put anything that is or could be misconstrued as racist or offensive on any product you sell? Most people wouldn't know which direction a Nazi swastika is supposed to go I just know I see that and relate it to racism. I think most people in America would do the same. I just don't understand why even produce that case. Poor judgement in my opinion. I would certainly be offended if a guy came in with that case. Why would someone buy it to begin with? There are no positive meanings in which I am familiar and I'm willing to bet most people would agree. So again why?????

gOTTA BE A 1 off...a custom that failed to sell.

 

[JB Cases]

OK then, I'm willing to accept that title even though I'm not a bigot.
Why do you think someone would buy that case and carry it into a pool room in this country?

For the sake of full disclosure, on my 3-league nights I am currently carrying a German made 2 x 3 buffalo Instroke.
Perfect for leagues, indestructible, and a very nice case.

Well actually Ted it's a Czech-made case. After the fall of communism the once great leather goods factory Kozak Klatovy turned from making the gloves and boots it had been making for the Russian army back to the fine leather goods it had made for a hundred years. They made seat covers for Mercedes, briefcases for famous fashion brands and Instroke cases.

The worst mass production case I ever had made were done in a German factory. We did about 50 of them and then no more.

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My comments on this case. The people who did it are completely oblivious to world history and that this looks like a Nazi emblem. It is a symbol that is found through cultures as has been pointed out. In this case it was taken from Buddhism. The people who make these Delta cases just grab imagery and use it without any deep thought to the symbolism or how it ties together. They have no idea what appeals to Westerners or western culture.

They think that they can take any images and tool them (badly) on a case and people will pay a lot just because it's a tooled leather case.

As far as the actual symbol goes I think that it's not a problem personally. If I felt strongly enough to have it on my case then it would be for the purpose of reclaiming the swastika from it's theft by the Nazis. If someone confronted me then I would use it to educate them to the true meaning and uses of the swastika throughout history.

But I do think that it's in poor taste to do it like this on this case with no sensitivity whatsoever that people are going to have a visceral negative reaction to it.

I once cautioned another Chinese case maker from doing a design where they had Native Indian (American Indian) themes on the front and Spanish themes on the back. They had no clue that the Spanish decimated the Indians.

Anyway, go through the rest of Delta Sport's cases and you will find plenty of strange, to be polite, themes. I missed this one but I am not surprised.

By the way these are the same people who provided the counterfeit J.Flowers cases that tasaddicts used to rip off the raffle forum last year. you can look that up and see what people thought of the quality of the cases they got from those raffles. That's what you can expect here.

 

[King T]

more info?

I just tryed to contact the company to get thier explanation..., if the respond I will pass it on...,

At this point I cant think of any good reason that they would have done this, no good can come from it.

 

[peteypooldude]

IMO This design is in very bad taste, to say the least

 

[Legend]

I believe the Swastika is the inverted form of this symbol. I know it's used in Buddhism, but I'm not sure which one it is.

 

[TheThaiger]

Thaiger is either ignorant or a poo-fly... well known as a shit-mixer.

Not so. I merely illustrate the absurdity of some people's reasoning. A tiger skin case offends no one, but a religious symbol used as decoration by a chinese case manufacturer gets people going ballistic.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[poolhustler]

It is a SWASTIKA Symbol.

You are WRONG as usual...... It is a buddhist symbol. Try to get correct info before you post!!

 

[TheRIGERE]

The swastika symbol actually dates back thousands of years and has been used in many cultures. The one pictured on this cue is not the same as the one adopted by the Nazis; the Nazis used a counter-clockwise version (in terms of apparent direction of motion), where the one pictured here is clockwise. Nonetheless, it's pretty bold of the case maker to use this at all; high probability of misinterpretation.

Here is the Wikipedia article on the swastika; very likely more than you will ever want to know.

Correct..the directionality makes a difference...in this case it is NOT a swastika... this symbol shown actually represents the word "peace".. this was mentioned several times in documentaries of the Nazis and how they deliberatley altered the "peace" symbol for their logo

 

[Neil]

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[poolhustler]

I would say it is for a Buddhist. The swastika meaning "good luck", and the lotus flower representing "purity".

The swastika shown in NOT the same as that used by the Germans. It may look similar, but is different, and has a totally different meaning than what many associate it with. Sorry, but to equate anything that looks similar to the Nazi swastika as the same meaning as what the Nazi's did, is just plain ignorant. You don't associate anything German with the Nazi's, why equate that symbol or any symbol similar to it to just the Nazi's??

Holy crap!!!!!!! I think this is the first thing I have ever agreed with you on.

 

[Neil]

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[Drew]

I see this other one all the time and it still bothers me.

I am glad that Germany tried to put that negative image behind them by changing their flag where it is still flown freely here.

To equate the Nazi flag with the rebel flag is totally ignorant. The symbol of the confederacy signifies states' rights against an oppressive federal government. Whereas the Nazi flag represents the oppressive government.

To be honest, taking offense to a symbol or picture is a strong display of closed-mindedness. If you don't like the case, then don't buy it. If you don't like someone carrying the case, then don't talk to him. I would consider that case to be an invitation for conversation.

Drew
(Would have been a slave in the CSA and executed on sight in the Third Reich)

 

[Cornerman]

Correct..the directionality makes a difference...in this case it is NOT a swastika...

Sure it is.

Freddie

 

[Kobachi]

Baha'i Temple near Chicago

I always wondered about the symbols when we'd go visit this beautiful structure near my hometown. This thread prompted me to look into them...(Below the star of david)


"In another sign of interfaith recognition, exterior pillars of the temple feature symbols representing some of the world’s faiths, including the Star of David (Judaism), a cross (Christianity), the swastika (an ancient religious symbol), and more."

 

[TheThaiger]

For what it truly is, that is, a symbol of good luck, it actually is a great choice for a case. However, I do agree that most are not going to know that, or appreciate that, but instead are going to go by their biases. So....while it SHOULD be a great choice, in reality, it is a poor choice.

The "trick" when you see something like this, is to not immediately go to YOUR biases, but to see it in context. If some guy wearing a robe or a turban had that case, I would associate it with good luck. If some guy (or gal) with a shaved head, and a lot of tattoos, some with that symbol or others associated with the Neo-Nazis, then I would think he was symbolizing it with the Nazis and was just to stupid to even know he had it drawn wrong.

You just have to put things in the right, or at least best, perspective you can. If you find yourself always associating things with the worst perspective, well, maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and see why that is.

Holy crap!!!!!!! I think this is the first thing I have ever agreed with you on.