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[AtLarge]

... Perhaps the way to accomplish both is to move away from total match play, kind of like they do in bowling. Have all the players competing against the field instead of one opponent. Suppose for the first day or two of the tournament everyone plays Bowlliards or Pool300 with each player playing 10-20 games. At the end on the last day, the top 8 guys get into the match play rounds with races to 25 of 8 Ball, 9 Ball, 10 Ball, or whatever. ...

I like that -- not for all events, but it would be a neat format once in a while.

We already see something similar to that with some of the 14.1 events. Each player tries for high runs (no opponent) for the first few days, then the final day is a match-play event for those who had the highest runs.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I like that -- not for all events, but it would be a neat format once in a while.

We already see something similar to that with some of the 14.1 events. Each player tries for high runs (no opponent) for the first few days, then the final day is a match-play event for those who had the highest runs.

One thing I like about this, as dead money, is that rather than maybe going 2 and out I get just as much play as everyone else up to the final 8 so I'm more likely to enter and donate to the purse. And if each player plays say 20 games then essentially each player is playing a fairly long race (to 20) against the field so the rolls have more chance to even out and the cream rise to the top. And it would still be relatively simple to pay out down the field beyond the top 8 based on score in the "stroke play" portion of the competition.

 

[Slh]

A lot of people say how hard is winning a golf tournament because there are so many great players... That's true..because the prize money is very high. I remember a lot of people said during the IPT the level of play raised up dramatically because of the prize money. It's not the same today... I think the level lowered... obviously there aren't the same motivations.

 

[AtLarge]

One thing I like about this, as dead money, is that rather than maybe going 2 and out I get just as much play as everyone else up to the final 8 so I'm more likely to enter and donate to the purse. And if each player plays say 20 games then essentially each player is playing a fairly long race (to 20) against the field so the rolls have more chance to even out and the cream rise to the top. And it would still be relatively simple to pay out down the field beyond the top 8 based on score in the "stroke play" portion of the competition.

A major drawback (to me) of such events, of course, is the absence of any defensive element in the early stages. I like mano-a-mano, offense and defense. By eliminating defense in the early stages, you are identifying only those players who are best at offense. Then they get put into match play that requires both offense and defense. So it's kind of odd to qualify for the final rounds on one basis and then to play the final rounds on another basis.

But, as I said, I like the idea of having some events in a format like you described.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

A major drawback (to me) of such events, of course, is the absence of any defensive element in the early stages. I like mano-a-mano, offense and defense. By eliminating defense in the early stages, you are identifying only those players who are best at offense. Then they get put into match play that requires both offense and defense. So it's kind of odd to qualify for the final rounds on one basis and then to play the final rounds on another basis.

But, as I said, I like the idea of having some events in a format like you described.

True that about the defense. I suppose the rationale for no defense is that you are not playing match play against another opponent, but rather against the field. Golf has some similarity in this regard. In match play if your opponent is in trouble it may affect the way you choose to play the next shot. But in a stroke play event this is not a consideration (until near the very end).

Like I said, it does require a change in mindset for sure. I'm just throwing some sh!t against the wall here, but I guess this explains why I don't own professional pool.

 

[Indiana Skinny]

I havent read all of this and I'm not going to spend a big deal but I had to comment.

I agree with Earl!

I mean I'm a fan of pool and not of golf. I have played both. I wouldn't be able to watch golf on TV my grandfather use to watch it and I would just find something else to do.

Now with that being said... How many swings are there in golf. 1. when I drive the ball I use the driver. Fairway; I use a the same swing and use an iron or a fairway club depending on distance. but "it's still the same swing" I'm just using a different club.

Now let's look at pool. standard shot... then there is being on a rail... then there is being jacked up over a ball... then there is having to masse around a ball or balls... Jump shot... etc.

Professional Golf level; You miss the fairway and land a foot or two in the grass you can still get on the green.

You miss in pool and might get lucky and hook your opponent. In general though and we've all seen it. The other guy runs out at the professional level.

ps. on a side note 5-10 more players that would do some things that earl does would be attention getters for sure. That might increase the popularity with pool in general.

I will not state the players name, but I recently had a conversation with a pro and they said if they had to do it all over again they would in general act like Earl. "When you see him play everyone is going to be watching him, he gets alot of attention."

I'm done ranting! c-ya!

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I havent read all of this and I'm not going to spend a big deal but I had to comment.

I agree with Earl!

I mean I'm a fan of pool and not of golf. I have played both. I wouldn't be able to watch golf on TV my grandfather use to watch it and I would just find something else to do.

Now with that being said... How many swings are there in golf. 1. when I drive the ball I use the driver. Fairway; I use a the same swing and use an iron or a fairway club depending on distance. but "it's still the same swing" I'm just using a different club.

Now let's look at pool. standard shot... then there is being on a rail... then there is being jacked up over a ball... then there is having to masse around a ball or balls... Jump shot... etc.

Golf - up hill lie, downhill lie, ball above your feet, ball below your feet, Ball in the rough, the fairway, the pine straw, the bunker, the wet grass, the hard pan, in a divot...

The driver swing, the pitch shot, the chip, the bunker shot, the putt, the knock-down, the lob, the draw, the fade...

Let's just agree that both are incredibly difficult to play at the elite level, and there is a large gap between a proficient player and a world class player.

 

[risky biz]

This post demonstrates that you know nothing about golf...and about making rational comparisons.

OK, you're getting warm but you haven't caught on. I'm making fun of the idea that there is a rational comparison between golf and pool. The only thing they have in common is a ball and a hole.

A valid comparison would be Don Cherry's: how many high level players of each sport could be developed from a specified group size? I say it's easier to produce more high level golfers than pool players from a population of, say, 10,000.

 

[risky biz]

Imagine this:Being in the finals of a 9ball event,the score is hill-hill and you've run out to the 9 but realize your out of position.The day you have to shoot that 9ball over a pond ,threw 2 trees with a 20mph wind blowing in your face,then I might agree that pool is harder.

I'd much rather do that than have to cut the nine-ball into the corner pocket when it's frozen in the middle of the short rail and the cue ball is frozen in the middle of the other short rail.

Next example?

 

[champ2107]

I'd much rather do that than have to cut the nine-ball into the corner pocket when it's frozen in the middle of the short rail and the cue ball is frozen in the middle of the other short rail.

Next example?

im betting this guy has never even ran a game of 8 ball or 9 ball out and also has never played an athletic sport or has a challenging job that needs brain power and is a single male around 50 and lives a very simple life one day at a time :thumbup:

 

[scsuxci]

I'd much rather do that than have to cut the nine-ball into the corner pocket when it's frozen in the middle of the short rail and the cue ball is frozen in the middle of the other short rail.

Next example?

I guess you can't bank eitherI know by your answer your just debating for the sake of debating.If you would rather shoot the shot I made up compared to the shot you said then I would guess you don't play either sport or play them at a elite level.

 

[sjm]

A major drawback (to me) of such events, of course, is the absence of any defensive element in the early stages. I like mano-a-mano, offense and defense. By eliminating defense in the early stages, you are identifying only those players who are best at offense. Then they get put into match play that requires both offense and defense. So it's kind of odd to qualify for the final rounds on one basis and then to play the final rounds on another basis.

But, as I said, I like the idea of having some events in a format like you described.

Well said. Defense is a huge part of pool. Any step in the direction of total offense will "dumb down" pool, and, at least for this fan, make it unwatchable.
Like you, however, if there were one such event on the annual calendar, I'd be OK with it. I'd add a little variety by having each player play seven different racks, reqiring them to break from seven (pre-determined) different locations and positioning the two ball in each of its seven possible positions in the rack.

As one poster noted, this is, essentially, the concept used in 14.1 challenges, such as the one at Derby City later this month. Even though I am a big fan of 14.1 and personally help to finance the DCC 14.1 Challenge, I watch very little of it until it reaches match play, and the reason is that, though I admire their incredible talent, I tire quickly of watching players "seeing how many they can run."

Total offense is for the birds.

 

[risky biz]

im betting this guy has never even ran a game of 8 ball or 9 ball out and also has never played an athletic sport or has a challenging job that needs brain power and is a single male around 50 and lives a very simple life one day at a time

Six errors in one sentence. Is that par for your course?

Don't be a ***** just because you can't argue your own case with any logical consistency.

 

[champ2107]

Six errors in one sentence. Is that par for your course?

Don't be a ***** just because you can't argue your own case with any logical .

why do you keep embarrassing yourself and you talk about "logical consistency" that's hilarious

 

[risky biz]

I guess you can't bank eitherI know by your answer your just debating for the sake of debating.If you would rather shoot the shot I made up compared to the shot you said then I would guess you don't play either sport or play them at a elite level.

I don't have to bank that shot. I can cut it in.

"out of position" on the 9ball and "shoot that 9ball over a pond ,threw 2 trees with a 20mph wind blowing in your face" is your idea of a valid, meaningful comment? There are just as many difficult shots in pool as there are in golf. That should be instantly apparent to anyone. Except you I guess.

Maybe you should just stick to all insults.

 

[risky biz]

why do you keep embarrassing yourself and you talk about "logical consistency" that's hilarious :thumbup:

Just stick to the insults, buddy.:thumbup:

 

[champ2107]

Just stick to the insults, buddy.:thumbup:

ok, keep up your consistent self embarrassment, i could set up a 9 hole mini put course that's harder to run than a game of 9 ball!!! :thumbup:

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I'll believe golf is harder than pool when I see a golfer who uses his ball to knock other balls in the hole and applies just the right amount of draw to his golf shots to get position to knock the next ball in the hole with his ball.

Obviously then, there is no way you can be convinced since in golf you are only playing one ball. Consider this though, how many times out of ten is a world class pro expected to make a 5' straight in shot when the cue ball is fairly close to the object ball, say less than a foot away?

Now, what percentage do you think a top golf professional will make a 5' putt? Bill Hass led the PGA tour last year in putts made from 5' with 92%. Phil Mickelson, a world class golfer and arguably one of the best putters on tour, averaged 85%.

In pool the playing surface is level (or supposed to be) but in golf it is almost never level, and the slope of every putt is somewhat different. It is really an inexact science determining the line if golf, unlike pool.

Now in golf obviously you are not playing position for the next shot, but keep in mind there are still considerations in golf that add the same relative level of complexity to a putt. In pool as long as you hit that 5' shot hard enough to make it to the hole it will very likely go in no matter how hard you hit it. You do often need to hit it the proper speed in order to gain position on your next shot. But in golf EVERY putt speed is also critical because it is very easy to hit a putt too hard to keep it in the hole. On top of that, the break of the putt changes with any change in speed. So you are dealing with an aim point that is very difficult to determine and that changes depending on how hard you hit the putt. Of course not every shot in pool is straight in, but even on cut shots it is fairly simple to determine precisely the line the ball must take to get to the hole.

 

[scsuxci]

I don't have to bank that shot. I can cut it in.

"out of position" on the 9ball and "shoot that 9ball over a pond ,threw 2 trees with a 20mph wind blowing in your face" is your idea of a valid, meaningful comment? There are just as many difficult shots in pool as there are in golf. That should be instantly apparent to anyone. Except you I guess.

Maybe you should just stick to all insults.

I'm not insulting you at all but the comment I made about shooting a ball in high winds and through trees are conditions golfers go through on a daily basis along with sandtraps, long grass and many hills, divots and so on.Pool players have a more consistent atmosphere and don't deal with condition's golfers do.I'm not saying there aren't hard shots in Pool ,cause there is but as far as a harder game to play,I just don't see it.I use to be a bartender and would see tons of people every weekend playing on the pool tables drunk as hell and still make balls never really playing pool that much before and I know if you stuck them on a golf course they would be lucky to hit the ball off the tee.In golf you may only have 3 shots to make the ball, whereas in pool you can play safe and get alot luckier than you would in Golf.I believe your looking at a small percentage of situations to make this debate valid in your eyes.My only question I have for you is this.If you had to play a pro in both sports for the money and knew you were clearly outmatched,which sport would you feel like you had the better chance of pulling out the upset?
Race to 9 in 9 ball
18 holes of golf.

 

[berlowmj2]

"networking"

Didnt sports illistrated do an article many years ago saying that pool was the hardes game to master of all non physical sports?

Golf is for pretentious suckers. Most people play it because that game is on the radar. And we know how important it is for followers to "look" like they are living life correctly

Kind of like starbucks...

Golf is as much a necessity for upper level executives as discretion in the sexual harassment of their secretaries.

More deals are consummated on golf courses than orgasms in hot tubs.