Thanks Dave. If I can give a bit of constructive criticism, your "CTE Evaluation and Analysis" is a misinterpretation of CTE. Students may be mislead about it reading that, and never give it a chance. When you practice CTE for long enough to "get it", the strictly mechanical/literal analysis goes right out the window. That is not what happens. The balls go to the pocket, even when given only the instructions supplied to practice. I guess IF you somehow do everything literally and mechanically to a tee, your analysis would be plausible. However, that is not what happens.
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Thanks Dave. If I can give a bit of constructive criticism, your "CTE Evaluation and Analysis" is a misinterpretation of CTE. Students may be mislead about it reading that, and never give it a chance. When you practice CTE for long enough to "get it", the strictly mechanical/literal analysis goes right out the window. That is not what happens. The balls go to the pocket, even when given only the instructions supplied to practice. I guess IF you somehow do everything literally and mechanically to a tee, your analysis would be plausible. However, that is not what happens.
I agree. If you follow the procedures exactly as they are described, and don't use intuition, vision, and "feel" for guidance and adjustment, the procedures don't work over a wide range of shots. However, as outlined in my benefits of aiming systems page, systems like CTE and 90/90 can be quite helpful to some (if not many) people. The structured pre-shot routine alone can provide significant benefits (e.g., better and more consistent alignment and focus).
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Dave
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please describe your wide range of shots, because Stevie uses it on all shots, so please elaborate.
This is why I believe the analysis is misguided. Although you may be correct on a purely technical level, you elude to the idea that the shooter must be aware of all these adjustments. As a player proficient in CTE, all the shots work in the exact same objective way: line up, slide in, pivot, shoot. Of course you may not be aware of this, as you have not given yourself a chance to see this for yourself by becoming proficient with the system. So instead you give your best-guess analysis armed with a laser and a protractor.
Pool really is outcome based. You put something in, something comes out. With CTE you line up, slide in, pivot, shoot. With a nominal amount of practice, the outcome is extremely accurate ball pocketing. I know you like to explain all the gritty details that go on under the hood, but so far (IMHO) no one has it right on CTE. I think that day will come as more people become familiar with it.
I think my CTE evaluation and analysis explains and illustrates fairly well how CTE works for a wide range of shots. I also agree with you that a player doesn't need to know or think about these things when they learn and use the system.
With enough practice, any "aiming system," with or without a pivot, can be used to pocket any ball. Some people might get improvement faster with CTE, and many will not. Nevertheless, regardless of what "aiming system" one might use, and whether one pivots or not, the benefits provided by a structured system can be very helpful.
Regards,
Dave
Mohrt: want to give a shout out thanking you for your blog. I am almost 50; been playing by what I can only describe as feel for all my life. I'm a decent shot - APA 7 in eight and nine; probably a high C player when using the ghost ball rating in nine.
Been reading some about CTE, and frankly have been confused. Anyway, I read your blog, printed out the pages and went to the pool hall to today to see if I could get it. All I can say is wow! After experimenting a bit, it all clicked. Granted, I hit for only about 2 hours, but I am impressed. I plan on experimenting a LOT more.
The biggest issue was trusting the pivot. Also, I was pivoting both left to right and right to left depending on the cut side. I need to figure out how to pivot the same way as you recommend. But I was nailing center pocket without ever looking at the pocket which is weird in itself to me.
I see a TON of promise in this technique for me. Need to figure out how to pivot more accurately with short bridges like when shooting off a rail for instance.
To wrap up - THANK YOU!!! Your blog is geat! :thumb up:
Been reading some about CTE, and frankly have been confused. Anyway, I read your blog, printed out the pages and went to the pool hall to today to see if I could get it. All I can say is wow! After experimenting a bit, it all clicked. Granted, I hit for only about 2 hours, but I am impressed. I plan on experimenting a LOT more.
The biggest issue was trusting the pivot. Also, I was pivoting both left to right and right to left depending on the cut side. I need to figure out how to pivot the same way as you recommend. But I was nailing center pocket without ever looking at the pocket which is weird in itself to me.
I see a TON of promise in this technique for me. Need to figure out how to pivot more accurately with short bridges like when shooting off a rail for instance.
To wrap up - THANK YOU!!! Your blog is geat! :thumb up:
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ok i tried this out last night and i was in a hurry and did not bare down and take my time either but i can see this system would be easy to master for me anyway and i cant think of any faults it may have. Also when i shoot these systems you would never know i was using a system if your bright enough to pick that up on the pro1 shots and i am not saying i never miss because i do!! human error.
Again i will say this, if anyone thinks there's limitations to these systems, please let me know so i can prove you wrong loland it would be nice if you rethink this whole cte/pro1 dr dave and fix your website
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2p2XP3zi5E&list=UULo0Kbj9BCnIvTPRO6NZvag&index=1&feature=plcp
Watching the first four or five shots you shot, those were borderline shots, I'd say I'd be using ETC instead of ETE. If the shot is less than half-ball-shot, use ETE. If half-ball or more, switch to ETC. Give that a try.
Rails are definitely a bit tougher. Once you are familiar with where the pivot needs to go for a particular shot, you will learn to "float" your bridge hand into position during the pivot, then set down on the rail. It is imperative to be exact on every shot. Line up exact, slide in exact, pivot exact. Do not get sloppy.
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As promised, I added a short video to the end of the post that demonstrates the pivots.
http://www.billiardsthegame.com/hal-houles-cte-12-ball-pivot-395
http://www.billiardsthegame.com/hal-houles-cte-12-ball-pivot-395
I have added some new terminology to the article:
1 = thick cuts
2 = thin cuts
3 = very thin cuts
You can apply these to a left or right cut, so the whole system boils down to 1L, 1R, 2L, 2R, 3L, 3R. This will make it much easier to call out pivots in demonstration videos and in paragraphs of text. It is important to emphasize the L and R are the direction of the cut, not the pivot. All pivots are the same direction in this system.
1 = thick cuts
2 = thin cuts
3 = very thin cuts
You can apply these to a left or right cut, so the whole system boils down to 1L, 1R, 2L, 2R, 3L, 3R. This will make it much easier to call out pivots in demonstration videos and in paragraphs of text. It is important to emphasize the L and R are the direction of the cut, not the pivot. All pivots are the same direction in this system.
Shoot the break shot exactly like a straight-in shot. Same thing.
That's the "long lever" concept, explained in more detail in the original Colin Colenso video, circa 2006. (FYI, it's poor video quality because it was done from his cell phone, but the material is very helpful):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xW1tsONEI_U
-Sean
Oh. That is nothing to do with CTE
You are basically shooting a break shot from the standing position. Rotate at the shoulder instead of the elbow.
You are 100% correct. If you get your conscious mind to not have conflict with your subconscious you are in dead stroke
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