Stan Shuffett's: Pro One DVD

JoeyA said:
OBA vs. OBB
That is what makes the difference.
Do you know what those letters stand for?
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Joey i have the dvd.My problem is i cannot sight the same cte line and the edge of cb at 2 different locations when the ob and cb are in the same location.The only way i can do this is make to the cte line shift a little but the way its presented on the dvd its not done this way.
 
8pack said:
Joey i have the dvd.My problem is i cannot sight the same cte line and the edge of cb at 2 different locations when the ob and cb are in the same location.The only way i can do this is make to the cte line shift a little but the way its presented on the dvd its not done this way.
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Are you looking at the CTE line from the top of the cue ball (not the back) when standing upright, as well as the secondary coordinate on the object ball?
 
8pack said:
Joey i have the dvd.My problem is i cannot sight the same cte line and the edge of cb at 2 different locations when the ob and cb are in the same location.The only way i can do this is make to the cte line shift a little but the way its presented on the dvd its not done this way.
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Turn your body/head slightly to gain the different line. You may be standing too square to the shot or vice versa.

Best,
Mike
 
8pack said:
Joey i have the dvd.My problem is i cannot sight the same cte line and the edge of cb at 2 different locations when the ob and cb are in the same location.The only way i can do this is make to the cte line shift a little but the way its presented on the dvd its not done this way.
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From what I understand (Stan may verify) start out lined up on the CTEL, then move your eyes/head slightly outside of CTEL until OBA/OBB lines up. Now you are in alignment to move into the shot.
 
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JoeyA said:
OBA vs. OBB
That is what makes the difference.
Do you know what those letters stand for?
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Joey,

Aren't we getting very close to running out of letter's ?...Jes' sayin...:p

Oh wait, never mind...we can always go to some sort of 'area code' system..:wink:
 
JoeyA said:
Are you looking at the CTE line from the top of the cue ball (not the back) when standing upright, as well as the secondary coordinate on the object ball?
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Joey, sorry for butting in again, but I am really beginning to worry about your sanity...Are you talking about 'firing missiles'..
or just shooting pool balls in the hole...It ain't rocket science.:p (unless you choose to make it that)..:cool:
 
champ2107 said:
i hope this helps a bit and i hope im close to being correct because i just did a quick brain storm on it and also you do realize there are 2 different reference points on those shots? Im guessing your at the beginning stages of learning the system?

When you are behind the cb/ob on that first shot you have shown (straight in the side) there are 180 ticks on the ROUND cue ball and i guess 180 contact points on the object ball you are now staring at. Now you have to find center cue ball and that is 1 out of 180 ticks on the cue ball. Me personally i am probably in and around the 85-95 tick spot when looking for the ctel, dunno and don't care, i am also experienced.


When you are behind the cb/ob on that second shot you have shown (cross bank in the side) now you have shifted your body and visual alignment to the inside about an inch or so (left) there are 180 ticks on the ROUND cue ball and i guess 180 contact points on the object ball you are now staring at. Now you have to find center cue ball and that is 1 out of 180 ticks on the cue ball. Me personally i am probably in and around the 85-95 tick spot when looking for the ctel, dunno and don't care, i am also experienced.

if you walk around the cue ball you will always have 180 ticks staring at you...get it?

This is how i see it and i can make that shot in the side 20 times in a row and i doubt im on that exact tick on the cb more than a couple of times at most. <<<< this is tip!


The left eye aims for left cuts during ball address to an OB aim point. The right eye aims for right cuts. The eye function of aiming is retained all the way into full stance and final aim at center CB <<< tip! this took a long time for it to sink into my skull!

i could so make all this easier to learn for you guys...but i constantly get trolled and its even the cte guys doing it now lol :)
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Everything i post now will be my 100% honest opinion of how i see and play the system.

I will explain it differently and what I was hinting at is, you do not have to have pin point, dead on, bulls eye exactness on these lines because as you shoot your experience will take over and let that experience help you, don’t fight it. If you try and learn the system mechanically or like a robot or to exact you will have a lot of trouble and most likely give up like some have. Just try and get as close as you can to the lines with your visuals. Let your eyes pull you to the bridge position and center cb! <<< This is very, very important! This is a must!


Sometimes you will not have the exact ctel visual on some shots and you can see you do not have it but this is good enough as long as you do everything else correctly and you let your experience help you. The more you shoot with the system the more experience you will get and all those cut angled shots become more and more routine for you.
 
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obtaining 2 visuals

It does not matter which line you pick up first. What's important is that you perceive both lines. You will not be looking at the actual 30 degree line.

After you work with this for a time you will simply see an overlap, a tube or the 2 lines in a subconscious manner.

One huge error that is made initially by many learning this system is that they want to get squarely behind the CTE line. Won't work.

This is a new way of looking at a shot. Yes, it's different or odd at first but will become second nature with practice.

Once the visuals are learned, it's just see the shot and shoot. You eyes in PRO ONE will have moved left or right.
 
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UGETTHE6 said:
I couldn't find a thread started about this, so here goes one. If I did overlook a thread started about this DVD, I apologize.

I think this can transform a B player to a AA in the matter of a few months.


I use CTE. I have the DVD and have like the info. However, the above statement is a bit overzealous. There is way more to pool than just aiming, and the difference in those levels requires way more than perfect aim to make that jump.
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That was one thing that didn't make sense to me when I first watched the DVD and started playing with it. But I actually went to the table, and asked questions, and read through the threads, and went to the table again, then I "got" it.

You have to be offset, and just a slight turn or head/eye movement will allow you to perceive both lines. This is something that is easier to demonstrate in person than on paper, but something that helped me a lot were the baseball diagrams someone posted in a thread last year. You could clearly see from the shooter's perspective how to line up at A and B with just a slightly different perception. Does anyone have a link to those pics? Might help here. If not, I'll try to search/look later when I have more time.

You may not feel you are exactly seeing both lines crystal clear at first, but essentially you will be looking at a slightly thicker or slightly thinner portion of the ball by doing so, then pivoting or using Pro1 to reach center ball and the correct shot line. Stan's overlap or tube analogy is personally how I view the shots, not really as discrete lines anymore, and the eyes leading the bridge and body position does become automatic.

Scott
 
scottjen26 said:
That was one thing that didn't make sense to me when I first watched the DVD and started playing with it. But I actually went to the table, and asked questions, and read through the threads, and went to the table again, then I "got" it.

You have to be offset, and just a slight turn or head/eye movement will allow you to perceive both lines. This is something that is easier to demonstrate in person than on paper, but something that helped me a lot were the baseball diagrams someone posted in a thread last year. You could clearly see from the shooter's perspective how to line up at A and B with just a slightly different perception. Does anyone have a link to those pics? Might help here. If not, I'll try to search/look later when I have more time.

You may not feel you are exactly seeing both lines crystal clear at first, but essentially you will be looking at a slightly thicker or slightly thinner portion of the ball by doing so, then pivoting or using Pro1 to reach center ball and the correct shot line. Stan's overlap or tube analogy is personally how I view the shots, not really as discrete lines anymore, and the eyes leading the bridge and body position does become automatic.

Scott
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Take a guess on who put those pics up your talking about :grin: those seemed to help a lot of people when i put them on here from the pm's i received at the time. i actually made those because PATRICK JOHNSON, the worlds smartest man couldn't figure out the behind the balls visuals and he even owned a pool table :confused: I actually learned the system while i was playing in games and never really did practice time with cte/pro1. If i ever had trouble with a visual or anything i would set up a couple cups at home on the kitchen table and grab my cue and figure it out that way, but that's how i roll and it isn't easy being me :)
 
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I ordered my DVD today.
For the record I am a APA sl 5 in 8Ball, sl 6 in 9ball on small tight 7' tables with simonis very fast worn cloth.
I am looking forward to learning it!
 
Bluey2King said:
I ordered my DVD today.
For the record I am a APA sl 5 in 8Ball, sl 6 in 9ball on small tight 7' tables with simonis very fast worn cloth.
I am looking forward to learning it!
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Hey there, Bluey. I hope you don't mind, but I am going to 'blog this post' so that I can easily reference it in another six months or year(unless I just forget altogether!). I went over your past posts and see that you have been more or less been playing at a similar level for a little while.

I wouldn't want you screwing up your stats right away by trying things in matches that you are just starting to play with, so try to do yourself a favor and save the practice for later until you're ready and comfortable to mix it into your game.

Good luck and I look forward to hearing/seeing how you do.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Joey,

Aren't we getting very close to running out of letter's ?...Jes' sayin...:p

Oh wait, never mind...we can always go to some sort of 'area code' system..:wink:
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I got ya code right here. (Y.J.) :p
 
Bluey2King said:
I ordered my DVD today.
For the record I am a APA sl 5 in 8Ball, sl 6 in 9ball on small tight 7' tables with simonis very fast worn cloth.
I am looking forward to learning it!
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If you have any questions, just talk to Stan! He will be more than happy to
answer them for you!!
 
Thank You guys I am sure I will have questions.
I couldn't wait and I tried last night from what I saw on youtube. Thanks JB and Spider. I was shooting more or less halfball hits only.
What I liked right off the bat was it was easy for me to see. If you saw some of my posts you might know I have had vision problems. I just started shooting with glasses (progressive) to balance my vision. I was making a lot of shots with out really focusing on the pocket at all. I like that, OK so my position wasn't great and I was hitting them pretty hard just having fun. I did run one rack of 8 ball with ball in hand after the break, that felt good. It was after I was done that I started thinking about different thickness of hit.
It is plain I dont know what I am doing but it felt comfortable and I can see the edge of the OB a lot better than a spot on a dark ball. I have only had my glasses two weeks so I know I am still getting used to them.
It going to be fun. I am not worried about my handicap and I will use it in games on halfball hits right away. Another thing I liked about it it seems easy and let my mind be more relaxed and hopefuly I will have more energy for strategy, speed and safeties.
 
Bluey2King said:
Thank You guys I am sure I will have questions.
I couldn't wait and I tried last night from what I saw on youtube. Thanks JB and Spider. I was shooting more or less halfball hits only.
What I liked right off the bat was it was easy for me to see. If you saw some of my posts you might know I have had vision problems. I just started shooting with glasses (progressive) to balance my vision. I was making a lot of shots with out really focusing on the pocket at all. I like that, OK so my position wasn't great and I was hitting them pretty hard just having fun. I did run one rack of 8 ball with ball in hand after the break, that felt good. It was after I was done that I started thinking about different thickness of hit.
It is plain I dont know what I am doing but it felt comfortable and I can see the edge of the OB a lot better than a spot on a dark ball. I have only had my glasses two weeks so I know I am still getting used to them.
It going to be fun. I am not worried about my handicap and I will use it in games on halfball hits right away. Another thing I liked about it it seems easy and let my mind be more relaxed and hopefuly I will have more energy for strategy, speed and safeties.
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This could be of some help!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETWcUmJsgs
 
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