John Brumback's "Bank Pool Secrets of a World Champion"

TheThaiger said:
This is my point, champ! The pool world is not part of the real world - it's living in a time warp, it's the game that time forgot.
The real world has broken down such protectionist barriers, and is all the better for it.
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do you think world wide there are less players playing now than 20,30 or 40 years ago? and what pool game do you play, 8 ball,9 ball, if you dont mind me asking?
 
TheThaiger said:
I don't work at a snooker hall, but I do play 4/5 times a week. I know an awful lot of players.

And I'd gladly buy it for $20. And I'd gladly reveal it 'secrets'. Still, it's good to see you're STILL making false assumptions about me, based on nothing more than hope and conjecture. I thought you were a man of science? ;)
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I didn't make a statement I asked a question.

But empirically let's break down your claim.

You play 4/5 times a week and claim to talk to hundreds of snooker players per day. Out of these hundreds of conversations you are able to discern that none of them have ever or will ever spend money on a training dvd of any kind.

So let's assume you spend ten hours per day at the snooker hall five days a week. Simple math brings us to 50 hours a week at the snooker hall where you say you PLAY there.

You say you meet and talk to hundreds of players each day so lets go with the lowest form of hundreds which would be two.

What sort of a conversation would you need to have to determine the state of each player's ongoing attempts to increase their skill? Would five minutes be enough or too much? Let's assume with pleasantries 3-5 minutes which again with simple math brings us to you spending 600 to 1000 minutes per day talking to other players. That's 10-16+ hours of daily conversation.

When do you actually play?

Tell you what, I will bet you the $50 that John's DVD costs that you cannot set up a camera and have 100 2 minute conversations in a ten hour period wherin you ask whether people have invested money into learning how to play snooker or not.

Bet?
 
TheThaiger said:
Dreaming about buying cars you can't afford because you've wasted all your cash on pointless DVDs, probably.
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Busted! :thumbup:

P.S. I've owned them all and make my assertions based on personal experience with these vehicles. Lexus is the best of all of them, Mercedes included!
 
JB Cases said:
I didn't make a statement I asked a question.

But empirically let's break down your claim.

You play 4/5 times a week and claim to talk to hundreds of snooker players per day. Out of these hundreds of conversations you are able to discern that none of them have ever or will ever spend money on a training dvd of any kind.

So let's assume you spend ten hours per day at the snooker hall five days a week. Simple math brings us to 50 hours a week at the snooker hall where you say you PLAY there.

You say you meet and talk to hundreds of players each day so lets go with the lowest form of hundreds which would be two.

What sort of a conversation would you need to have to determine the state of each player's ongoing attempts to increase their skill? Would five minutes be enough or too much? Let's assume with pleasantries 3-5 minutes which again with simple math brings us to you spending 600 to 1000 minutes per day talking to other players. That's 10-16+ hours of daily conversation.

When do you actually play?

Tell you what, I will bet you the $50 that John's DVD costs that you cannot set up a camera and have 100 2 minute conversations in a ten hour period wherin you ask whether people have invested money into learning how to play snooker or not.

Bet?
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That's a pretty poor hourly rate, John.

You know when you're making cases, or playing pool, or making your videos, or typing on your laptop...can you do those things AND talk at the same time?

There's your answer. But, to simplify things somewhat, I have NEVER heard a UK based snooker, UK pool or American pool player EVER talk about the things discussed on this board. Why do you think I find it so fascinating?

They have a cue, a case, a piece of chalk, a bit of sandpaper and a towel, and that's it. Really, seriously, that's it. No coaching, no dvds, no tip tools, no aiming aids, no expensive cues, no tooled cases, no knowledge of deflection, or CTE, or BHE, or any number of the bewildering array of distractions you guys appear to be obsessed with.

A cue, a case, a piece of chalk, a bit of sandpaper and a towel - and a healthy disregard for anyone can't cue a ball.

We go over this and over this. Why don't you come here and see for yourself? I'll even put you up in the guest wing, gratis, for as long as you want. You can then go home and tell everyone that you can become a world class cueist without spending a dime.

Deal?
 
TheThaiger said:
Again, you're adding an EMOTIONAL element to the proposition.

FWIW Appleton was recently offering a full day's coaching for £100 ($150), one on one. I don't know if anyone took him up on the offer, which I thought was exceptional.

So you need to define champion. Although he has World titles, he's a virtual unknown in the UK, with only a few hundred in the entire country knowing who he is. If he were David Beckham, he'd command millions for his time. The same principle applies to John Brumback, who I'm pretty certain is an unknown outside of geeky pool circles - therefore, his 'time' is not so expensive.
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Since I did not associate anything meaningful with your nym prior to a few days ago, and didn't feel like taking the time to search your posts to get a handle on who you are, I went ahead and caught up on this thread.

I've been able to come to a conclusion about you now, though. You have inborn troll tendencies but are unable to come completely out of the closet about it. You actually try to "argue" with people or try to "cleverly" make your point about something. You enjoy yanking everyone's chain and try hard to be clever. When all you're doing is dodging everything and making no sense with your comparisons.

With trolls, they typically will say off the wall crap to yank people's chains and get them going, and will always take the opposite viewpoint of each person's replies. You exhibit this behavior, but I'm not convinced that all of it is troll bait. I think you're accidentally sharing some of your actual opinions (thus the "haven't came out of the closet" comment):rolleyes:

So, while you appear able to have command of the English language, the words you're using to form sentences and thoughts, are not making any sense.:boring2:

I mean look at the one above. You say he has World titles but no one over there knows who he is. Well, there isn't anyone over there that could hold his jockstrap (if John indeed does wear one while competing) when it comes to banks. So this whole point of trying to bring up some marketing failure is null. The DVD is 50 bucks and it's available to anyone that wants to buy it. Those that don't, it's probably safe to say, they won't buy it. I don't think they put together a DVD to sell to the masses. It's not like they marketed it to sell to Suzy Homemaker.

It's a Pool DVD. Further, it's a Bank DVD. Some people don't feel the necessity to learn how to bank properly. Like most people. But most of the free world knows how to google something, so I would imagine anyone in England or any other county, if they desired to learn how to bank, would google it. If you googled best bank pool player, you can bet John would be in every link you click on.

And comparing David Beckham with John Brumback, in terms of how much money their time might be worth, is certainly flattering I'm sure to John, but totally idiotic. You go on to point out to all of us idiots here, that John is relatively unknown outside pool geek circles. In fact it's so funny, it's worth quoting below

TheWhatTheHellDidIJustSay said:
The same principle applies to John Brumback, who I'm pretty certain is an unknown outside of geeky pool circles - therefore, his 'time' is not so expensive.
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I mean... seriously??? Where do we send in our letters of gratitude for giving us that little nugget of info for free?

hehe.... let's see... I'm going to compare what David Beckham's time might be worth to millions and millions of his fans, to John Brumback - Pool Player. Hmmm... now you also seem to have some wild notion that this DVD in question, is somehow a failure because 99.9% of the free world aren't clamoring for it.

Even more foolish stuff? Yep, you serve it up by the bucketloads... you also seem to suggest that people might pay more for a how to kick a soccer ball, then how many might pay for a DVD of how to bank balls. I will throw this out there for you to chew on... it might be possible that to a bank pool player, a DVD on banking by the best player in the world might be worth much more to them, then a guy that is hooked on 9 ball. Or that a guy that want's to be a professional poker player, might be inclined to shell out good money to buy a DVD on poker, but would laugh at the idea of buying a bank pool dvd.

You need to brush up on the troll classes though. Maybe a bank pool DVD will help:D
 
jay helfert said:
Busted! :thumbup:

P.S. I've owned them all and make my assertions based on personal experience with these vehicles. Lexus is the best of all of them, Mercedes included!
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:grin:

This'll mean nothing to you as it's a line from a UK sitcom, but Lexus - the Japanese Mercedes...and Lexi, which is Lexus, plural.

A man can never get enough Alan partridge.
 
You love to banter and stir the stuff so much, so I have suggestion for you.

AZB has a section called NPR. In that sub forum, you can stir up as much crap as you'd ever dream of, and with your socialist views, you would become the darling of the place in short order. If you think you have fun tweaking JB, just wait till you meet the cast of characters there.

Seriously, it's the place for folks who want to continually provoke and be contrary, for the sake of it. People like you.
 
"CaliRed". said:
You need to brush up on the troll classes though.
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I think you need to brush up on the English classes, as that made no sense whatsoever. I don't think you understood the post you linked, where I was saying he (Appleton) is unknown in the UK, despite being British and a world champion, whereas David Beckham is known by everyone, obviously.

I have no idea how well known John Brumback is in the US and was speculating, clearly wrongly. He's a household name then? I'd never heard of him until this DVD.

And I may be wrong but you appear to be attacking me for being a troll AND expressing sincerely held opinions. Which is it? And do you consider everyone a troll who is disgusted that an hour long piece of film showing a few pool shots costs $50?
 
one thing i do find amusing about this is, your doing what the anti cte guys did too cte/pro1 when it came out! and your doing what Lou F tried to do to cte/pro1 lol :thumbup:
 
justadub said:
You love to banter and stir the stuff so much, so I have suggestion for you.

AZB has a section called NPR. In that sub forum, you can stir up as much crap as you'd ever dream of, and with your socialist views, you would become the darling of the place in short order. If you think you have fun tweaking JB, just wait till you meet the cast of characters there.

Seriously, it's the place for folks who want to continually provoke and be contrary, for the sake of it. People like you.
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Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
 
TheThaiger said:
Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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is that the purpose of the video, enticing new players into the game? give up the fight guy
 
TheThaiger said:
Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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Probably not and also no one at all who is going to suggest that enticing new blood into the game was ever, for even a moment of time, a thought in the mind of John Brumback or the man who produced the DVD. I CAN tell you why it costs $50. Want to know? It costs $50 because they thought they could make more money at that price point than at a higher or lower price point. I had suggested $39.95.:D
 
TheThaiger said:
Again, you're adding an EMOTIONAL element to the proposition.

FWIW Appleton was recently offering a full day's coaching for £100 ($150), one on one. I don't know if anyone took him up on the offer, which I thought was exceptional.

So you need to define champion. Although he has World titles, he's a virtual unknown in the UK, with only a few hundred in the entire country knowing who he is. If he were David Beckham, he'd command millions for his time. The same principle applies to John Brumback, who I'm pretty certain is an unknown outside of geeky pool circles - therefore, his 'time' is not so expensive.
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So you are cheap then.
Do you ever go out to eat?
Or do you never go out to eat because it's too expensive, instead complaining that food should be cheaper.

Is the UK the center of the universe? So if no one in the UK knows him, then he must not be anyone? Who over there banks ball well anyway?
Not like banking is actually a game over there, so why should you really care, let alone know him.
It's not like any Brits are going to beat him at it though.:D

Like i said. No one is twisting your arm.
Leave the banking and the banking information to the people that care about it. End of problem.
 
TheThaiger said:
Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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Who the f*ck said anything about this DVD being made to bring new blood into the game?

Anyone at all?

Jackass.
 
TheThaiger said:
Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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Tim:

It's obvious you've run out of ammo in your argument, because with this comment (bolded above), you are really REACHING. Grasping at straws, actually. Or, some of the readership here may be correct about you -- that your purpose here is mainly (and only) to troll.

Let's make some things clear:

1. John's DVD is NOT for the beginning player (i.e. "new blood" as you want to say). This is a bank pool instructional, and is NOT for someone just being introduced to pool. This is advanced knowledge. Your analogy is roughly the same as offering an advanced snooker coaching DVD on the topic of "break buliding" to a new player ("new blood") as you say, and then expecting that approach to attract the new blood to snooker.

2. John's DVD is NOT for folks from or living in the UK, since those folks don't know how to properly term a shot where the object ball contacts a cushion (i.e. banking) before going into a pocket. What do they call single-cushion banks in the UK? "Doubles". WTF is a "double"? But, in the spirit of knowledge/exploration, let me ask you a question -- what do they call two-cushion banks in the UK? "Triples"? "Double doubles"? Oh wait, I think I remember this one -- "top hats" (because the path the object ball takes looks like a "hat" -- gee, we're not child's coloring-book-oriented in the UK, are we?). Let's not even approach the question of what would they call three- or four-cushion banks in the UK... "quadruples"? "Double double doubles?" I give up on that one.

Of course, on that second point, I may just be borrowing a page from your book in trolling. Score me -- how did I do?

-Sean
 
Nice review Lou. A lot of leftover food being used to feed the trolls today it seems. Either you spend the money on the video or you don't. Why is there such a huge debate about it destrying the world of pool for the cost of a video? This reminds me of the chalk argument. It's worth what people are paying for it. If they are spending X amount on it good for them. If I don't want to spend X on it, good for me. I can see the marketing people wanting to get into a discussion on how to make the most $ from a price viewpoint, but I don't see how there's anything wrong with wanting to charge a little extra for a premium product that no one is forcing you to buy.
 
TheThaiger said:
Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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you were able to hang on by a thread with your weak points until the above post killed you and outed you as a troll lol :thumbup:
 
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