John Brumback's "Bank Pool Secrets of a World Champion"

TheThaiger said:
1. Have you read the thread in its entirety?

2. Are you able to follow a narrative?
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1. Unfortunately, yes

2. Yes, although I have yet to see anything you have posted be worth 2 sh*ts

Now you:

1. What makes you think anyone needs or wants your "help"?

2. Are you related to pocketpoint?
 
sfleinen said:
Tim:

It's obvious you've run out of ammo in your argument, because with this comment (bolded above), you are really REACHING. Grasping at straws, actually. Or, some of the readership here may be correct about you -- that your purpose here is mainly (and only) to troll.

Let's make some things clear:

1. John's DVD is NOT for the beginning player (i.e. "new blood" as you want to say). This is a bank pool instructional, and is NOT for someone just being introduced to pool. This is advanced knowledge. Your analogy is roughly the same as offering an advanced snooker coaching DVD on the topic of "break buliding" to a new player ("new blood") as you say, and then expecting that approach to attract the new blood to snooker.

2. John's DVD is NOT for folks from or living in the UK, since those folks don't know how to properly term a shot where the object ball contacts a cushion (i.e. banking) before going into a pocket. What do they call single-cushion banks in the UK? "Doubles". WTF is a "double"? But, in the spirit of knowledge/exploration, let me ask you a question -- what do they call two-cushion banks in the UK? "Triples"? "Double doubles"? Oh wait, I think I remember this one -- "top hats" (because the path the object ball takes looks like a "hat" -- gee, we're not child's coloring-book-oriented in the UK, are we?). Let's not even approach the question of what would they call three- or four-cushion banks in the UK... "quadruples"? "Double double doubles?" I give up on that one.

Of course, on that second point, I may just be borrowing a page from your book in trolling. Score me -- how did I do?

-Sean
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Poorly. The word "double" has meaning - what does a bank mean? You may need to rob one to buy the quite bewildering array of superfluous guff that the unscrupulous foist upon the gullible, however.

Sean, as I've repeatedly said, my concerns are not about this DVD, rather the willingness of the pool community to be exploited, in the mistaken belief throwing money at a problem will make it go away, or at least improve one's game. It is about the psyche of the pool player, not John Brumback.

Bill Porter is the only person who's given an honest answer so far. It's about money. all those saying it's because of content should take note.
 
TheThaiger said:
Been there, done that. You can only educate those willing to learn.

Now, is there ANYONE who's going to tell how legitimising 50 dollar banking videos will entice new blood into the game?

Anyone at all.
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I know 12 year olds that wouldn't FLINCH at spending $50. Your argument is baseless. I spend $50 when going out to dinner.

If $50 is tons of money to you--- sorry about your luck. Stop pissing in someone's lemonade because what you perceive to be a lot of money is what most others' feel is peanuts.

My local loser golf pro charges $60/hr for golf lessons and he hasn't won shit. Does that prevent younger players from entering the sport of golf? Of course not.

You're perpetuating an argument based on shit.... just to shit. The epitome of a troll, imo.

I hope the mods end you. It's ok to have different views, but you are trolling (OBVIOUSLY).
 
MahnaMahna said:
1. Unfortunately, yes

2. Yes, although I have yet to see anything you have posted be worth 2 sh*ts

Now you:

1. What makes you think anyone needs or wants your "help"?

2. Are you related to pocketpoint?
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1. Anyone who thinks a DVD should cost $50 needs help, from myself or another.

2. No.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I know 12 year olds that wouldn't FLINCH at spending $50. Your argument is baseless. I spend $50 when going out to dinner.

If $50 is tons of money to you--- sorry about your luck. Stop pissing in someone's lemonade because what you perceive to be a lot of money is what most others' feel is peanuts.

My local loser golf pro charges $60/hr for golf lessons and he hasn't won shit. Does that prevent younger players from entering the sport of golf? Of course not.

You're perpetuating an argument based on shit.... just to shit. The epitome of a troll, imo.

I hope the mods end you. It's ok to have different views, but you are trolling (OBVIOUSLY).
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I am merely answering questions, and, I might add, in a more civil and constructive manner than the vast majority on here, who are queuing up to spout their hateful vitriol - you included.

I'm glad you know many 12 y.o. who are happy to spend $50 - how many do you know have bought JB's DVD?

Again, it's very, VERY difficult to escape the conclusion that the vast majority on here only care about themselves, and couldn't give a toss about the game. If they did they could end extortionate pricing overnight, and maybe - just maybe - guarantee pool has a future.

And quit with the troll stuff - you are only saying that because you disagree with what I'm saying. That's no basis for calling someone a troll.
 
TheThaiger said:
1. Anyone who thinks a DVD should cost $50 needs help, from myself or another.

2. No.
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One day, a young and inexperienced art collector heard great things about Pablo Picasso. This young man walked into Pablo's Paris studio to find him feverishly working on another masterpiece.

"Excuse me, Pablo? I heard you're a master painter and I'd like to buy a painting."

Pablo looked up and murmured, "What kind of painting are you interested in?"

"I'd like a still life that features some flowers and a musical instrument."

Pablo rubs his chin thinking for a moment. He grabs a vase from a window sill and walks outside momentarily to pick a few flowers. He spent a moment to make sure the vase was well balanced. He went upstairs to his loft and returned with an old guitar he would play before he went to bed.

Pablo set the vase on a large table and laid his guitar behind the vase as a backdrop.

After grabbing his palette, Pablo took a bunch wildly artistic strokes and completed the painting in about 5 minutes.

Pablo, after standing back and admiring his work, said "Very nice. That will be 40,000 Francs."

The young art collected as shocked and insulted. "What do you mean 40,000 Francs!?!?? Are you kidding me? That only took you 5 minutes to paint!!"

"NO," Pablo interrupted. "That didn't take me 5 minutes to paint. It took me 40 years of hard work and dedication in order to be able to paint you that still life in 5 minutes."


TheThaiger.... maybe you'll get it. Maybe you won't. You're NOT paying for the DVD... you're paying for the information. You either get it or you don't. How you act from here is how you choose to be perceived on this forum. You're already coming across as someone who truly doesn't get it.
 
TheThaiger said:
Poorly. The word "double" has meaning - what does a bank mean? You may need to rob one to buy the quite bewildering array of superfluous guff that the unscrupulous foist upon the gullible, however.

Sean, as I've repeatedly said, my concerns are not about this DVD, rather the willingness of the pool community to be exploited, in the mistaken belief throwing money at a problem will make it go away, or at least improve one's game. It is about the psyche of the pool player, not John Brumback.

Bill Porter is the only person who's given an honest answer so far. It's about money. all those saying it's because of content should take note.
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Ok, Tim, I'll play along, in the spirit of going down your road, to point out the cul-de-sac that you don't seem to know is there. Let's exhaust all your options. What does "double" mean? That the object ball takes a double path to the pocket? Then that would mean a two-cushion bank is a "triple" and a three-cushion bank is a "quadruple." But wait, that's not how it works in UK-speak! No, after double, that's where it ends -- we then resort to child's coloring-book terms and term the shot according to what "shape" the object ball's path "draws" on the table.

"Bank" goes back to the 1800s -- from the UK, no less(!) -- when the tables didn't have cushions, and the hard sides of the table were called "banks," much like the banks of a body of water. Hitting the ball off of one was termed "banking" the ball. And the use of the word "bank" to mean ricochet goes back even further than that -- much older than the sport of snooker itself. If you'd done your homework on this term before responding, you'd know this. But I get it -- you just wanted to see if you could turn my argument against me. Nice try.

Once again, you are firing toothpicks at a lumber yard in your attempt to hold pool responsible for what you see as flaws in a capitalistic society. Yes, it *is* about money. When is it ever not? You make a CD/DVD, you have production costs. Forget about revenue for the moment (<gasp!> we can't have that now, can we?); you have to try to at least recoup your expenses from your intended audience. If you have a huge audience, you can price your product accordingly (e.g. low cost -- because you're expecting numbers to offset that). But if you have a small audience? And especially if your product is very point-purpose, or contains rarified knowledge that's not found anywhere else? Of course the price is going to be higher. Any economics class teaches that.

Sorry, Tim, but as much as we like open-sourcing knowledge, there are just points when it's not possible or desirable. The info you'll find on John's product can be found nowhere else. Freddy the Beard's products hint at it, but nowhere near the crystallization that John achieved in his product. Thus, rarified information that's gold.

-Sean
 
SpiderWebComm said:
One day, a young and inexperienced art collector heard great things about Pablo Picasso. This young man walked into Pablo's Paris studio to find him feverishly working on another masterpiece.

"Excuse me, Pablo? I heard you're a master painter and I'd like to buy a painting."

Pablo looked up and murmured, "What kind of painting are you interested in?"

"I'd like a still life that features some flowers and a musical instrument."

Pablo rubs his chin thinking for a moment. He grabs a vase from a window sill and walks outside momentarily to pick a few flowers. He spent a moment to make sure the vase was well balanced. He went upstairs to his loft and returned with an old guitar he would play before he went to bed.

Pablo set the vase on a large table and laid his guitar behind the vase as a backdrop.

After grabbing his palette, Pablo took a bunch wildly artistic strokes and completed the painting in about 5 minutes.

Pablo, after standing back and admiring his work, said "Very nice. That will be 40,000 Francs."

The young art collected as shocked and insulted. "What do you mean 40,000 Francs!?!?? Are you kidding me? That only took you 5 minutes to paint!!"

"NO," Pablo interrupted. "That didn't take me 5 minutes to paint. It took me 40 years of hard work and dedication in order to be able to paint you that still life in 5 minutes."


TheThaiger.... maybe you'll get it. Maybe you won't. You're NOT paying for the DVD... you're paying for the information. You either get it or you don't. How you act from here is how you choose to be perceived on this forum. You're already coming across as someone who truly doesn't get it.
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What I "get" is a dying game, stuck in the dark ages.
What I "get" is a willingness for the strong to dominate the weak.
What I "get" is people who are prepared to take money out of the game, but give NOTHING back.
What I "get" is a closed-shop, a cabal with an aging power-base, unable or unwilling to change.

What I DON'T "get" (both literally and figuratively) is WHY.

ps your PP analogy is too specious to bother with.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Is the UK the center of the universe? So if no one in the UK knows him, then he must not be anyone? Who over there banks ball well anyway?
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For clarity's sake, the he I was referring to was Darren Appleton, NOT John Brumback.

I thought it was obvious, but perhaps not.
 
TheThaiger said:
1. Anyone who thinks a DVD should cost $50 needs help, from myself or another.

2. No.
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1. Anyone who thinks this particular DVD is priced too high is an idiot and only thinks that because they are too broke or cheap to spend the money. Also, someone who is constantly pushing their "help" onto others when it is unsolicited and not wanted is an annoying aszhole.

2. How do you feel about pool leagues, are they strengthening or weakening the sport?
 
TheThaiger said:
What I "get" is a dying game, stuck in the dark ages.
What I "get" is a willingness for the strong to dominate the weak.
What I "get" is people who are prepared to take money out of the game, but give NOTHING back.
What I "get" is a closed-shop, a cabal with an aging power-base, unable or unwilling to change.

What I DON'T "get" (both literally and figuratively) is WHY.

ps your PP analogy is too specious to bother with.
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Yeah...that's nice troll.

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Until you show and prove you have a real job and work for free.....STFU TROLL

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TheThaiger said:
1. Anyone who thinks a DVD should cost $50 needs help, from myself or another.

2. No.
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I think it all depends on where you are. $50 would be 1,540 Thai Baht in Bangkok or 2,134 pesos in Manila, enough to feed a family of 4 for a month. But I'm now in America, and as far as I can tell, this is a rich country. Heck, I pay $20 plus tip just to have my shoes shined in downtown DC. I've seen poverty before many times over as a globe-trottling World Bank bureaucrat and I feel its now my turn to enjoy the fruits of our past poverty-fighting endeavours. I just bought the DVD.

Cheers,

Flip
 
MahnaMahna said:
1. Anyone who thinks this particular DVD is priced too high is an idiot and only thinks that because they are too broke or cheap to spend the money. Also, someone who is constantly pushing their "help" onto others when it is unsolicited and not wanted is an annoying aszhole.

2. How do you feel about pool leagues, are they strengthening or weakening the sport?
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1. I'm not constantly pushing help onto others. What I'm doing is querying why we're prepared to pay extortionate prices for products that are dirt cheap in other sports/activities. The fact few will address the central argument, preferring instead to take cheap pop shots and offer nothing but abuse, speaks volumes about the state of the game.

2. Meh, but start a thread on that I'll consider contributing.
 
TheThaiger said:
1. I'm not constantly pushing help onto others. What I'm doing is querying why we're prepared to pay extortionate prices for products that are dirt cheap in other sports/activities. The fact few will address the central argument, preferring instead to take cheap pop shots and offer nothing but abuse, speaks volumes about the state of the game.

2. Meh, but start a thread on that I'll consider contributing.
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1. Yes, you are. The argument has been addressed, so at this point, you are a troll.

2. Pussy
 
Filibogado said:
I think it all depends on where you are. $50 would be 1,540 Thai Baht in Bangkok or 2,134 pesos in Manila, enough to feed a family of 4 for a month. But I'm now in America, and as far as I can tell, this is a rich country. Heck, I pay $20 plus tip just to have my shoes shined in downtown DC. I've seen poverty before many times over as a globe-trottling World Bank bureaucrat and I feel its now my turn to enjoy the fruits of our past poverty-fighting endeavours. I just bought the DVD.

Cheers,

Flip
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Good for you. I hope you enjoy it, and I'm sure you feel privileged enough to appreciate what you have.
 
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