Too Many mind......

[jcpoolgod]

the movie the last samurai......tom cruise is practicing fighting with the samurais... he is concentrating very hard...and trying to think his way through the fighting....

one of the samurais.....gives him a solution to his problem....

TOO MANY MIND....

well.....i feel like im really trying to Think my way through the whole process.......

how can i get my mind out of it.....

one more thing......i think i have realized that WORDS.....are not what should be going on in my mind...regardless of what the words are........

when your mind says your not going to make this.......its the same as if your mind says...ok low left shoot hard......or make this shot its for all the marbles.....you win the tourney.....

i think i figured it out....its not what the words are that matter...its that they are WORDS...and you mind is preoccupied with them....

what do you guys think....

 

[macguy]

the movie the last samurai......tom cruise is practicing fighting with the samurais... he is concentrating very hard...and trying to think his way through the fighting....

one of the samurais.....gives him a solution to his problem....

TOO MANY MIND....

well.....i feel like im really trying to Think my way through the whole process.......

how can i get my mind out of it.....

one more thing......i think i have realized that WORDS.....are not what should be going on in my mind...regardless of what the words are........

when your mind says your not going to make this.......its the same as if your mind says...ok low left shoot hard......or make this shot its for all the marbles.....you win the tourney.....

i think i figured it out....its not what the words are that matter...its that they are WORDS...and you mind is preoccupied with them....

what do you guys think....

Get a copy of the book Psycho-Cybernetics. It is old but still around. You will get an understanding what is going on in your mind. Although not written about pool, what it discusses is very relevant to the game. Another book "Sporting body sporting mind" is also a good read.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Psycho-Cybernetics-Maxwell-Maltz/dp/0735202850

http://www.amazon.com/Sporting-Athletes-Guide-Mental-Training/dp/0521269350

 

[pt109]

Get a copy of the book Psycho-Cybernetics. It is old but still around. You will get an understanding what is going on in your mind. Although not written about pool, what it discusses is very relevant to the game. Another book "Sporting body sporting mind" is also a good read.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Psycho-Cybernetics-Maxwell-Maltz/dp/0735202850

http://www.amazon.com/Sporting-Athletes-Guide-Mental-Training/dp/0521269350

Small world, Mac....that's the book I read when I was a kid.
Stopped gambling for 3 months and worked on my game using
the principles of the book.

...started gambling again and robbed everybody for three weeks
till they realized that I now played four levels higher.

 

[ShootingArts]

do I feel had!

Small world, Mac....that's the book I read when I was a kid.
Stopped gambling for 3 months and worked on my game using
the principles of the book.

...started gambling again and robbed everybody for three weeks
till they realized that I now played four levels higher.

Do I feel had! I read the book when I was a kid too, and have forgotten all about it! Don't remember if I gained anything or not.

Got to get the conscious mind out the way, absolutely correct that any words, including words you are using to block out other things, are a handicap. One thing is to plan out your inning before you start it. If you look around the table and know you have problems to solve later that is going to be nagging at your mind keeping it active. It isn't the end of the world if you have to change your plan as the run progresses but have a plan before you start and the entire inning becomes one continuous action, no thought required.

Don't know if you saw this I posted awhile back, kinda part and parcel, in the zone you don't think in words.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=263547

Hu

 

[macguy]

Do I feel had! I read the book when I was a kid too, and have forgotten all about it! Don't remember if I gained anything or not.

Got to get the conscious mind out the way, absolutely correct that any words, including words you are using to block out other things, are a handicap. One thing is to plan out your inning before you start it. If you look around the table and know you have problems to solve later that is going to be nagging at your mind keeping it active. It isn't the end of the world if you have to change your plan as the run progresses but have a plan before you start and the entire inning becomes one continuous action, no thought required.

Don't know if you saw this I posted awhile back, kinda part and parcel, in the zone you don't think in words.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=263547

Hu

The book is more then something like Power of positive thinking it has real case studies that can be applied. I have not read it in years but it is still on my shelf. I remember one experiment they did with shooting basketball foul shots.. They used three groups. One group shot baskets for some given time. The second group just stood in front of the basket and imagined shooting the perfect shot, the sound of the ball going through the hoop, the feel and every vivid thought they could about shooting the perfect shot. You never miss in your mind. The third group did both, they combined real practice with imaginary perfect practice. Group one improved some, the second group who just imagined shooting didn't really improve at all. The third that did both improver by leaps and bounds. It says your mind does not know what is real or imagined.

As far as your mind is concerned you are shooting perfect shots and combined with the real practice that creates muscle memory the improvement was very fast. I remember reading a great golfer saying he does his best practice sitting in an easy chair imagining the perfect shots. I don't play hardly at all anymore but I think about playing all the time. I fantasize running balls and playing position, I can almost feel the cue in my hands. I have to tell you, when I do play, I can just pick up a stick and in a few minutes it is as if I play every day. I know golfers use the technique all the time even on the course, you can see the rehearsal going on in their minds before they hit the shot. Every shot they hit they have already hit perfectly in the minds eye thousands of times.

It is not something like the power of positive thinking imagining you will being a millionaire. It is real techniques based on the way the mind actually functions.

In the same respect it is also what causes people to fail and miss easy shots. They picture things going wrong and the mind is more happy to comply, again it doesn't know the difference, if missing is what you picture that is what it will do.

I just went and checked and I also have the second book "Advanced Psycho Cybernetics and Psychofeedback".

I also have "Sporting Body Sporting Mind" and I had forgotten it was endorsed by Alex Higgins the famed snooker player.

 

[ShootingArts]

Might be where I remembered the practice thing from

The book is more then something like Power of positive thinking it has real case studies that can be applied. I have not read it in years but it is still on my shelf. I remember one experiment they did with shooting basketball foul shots.. They used three groups. One group shot baskets for some given time. The second group just stood in front of the basket and imagined shooting the perfect shot, the sound of the ball going through the hoop, the feel and every vivid thought they could about shooting the perfect shot. You never miss in your mind. The third group did both, they combined real practice with imaginary perfect practice. Group one improved some, the second group who just imagined shooting didn't really improve at all. The third that did both improver by leaps and bounds. It says your mind does not know what is real or imagined.

As far as your mind is concerned you are shooting perfect shots and combined with the real practice that creates muscle memory the improvement was very fast. I remember reading a great golfer saying he does his best practice sitting in an easy chair imagining the perfect shots. I don't play hardly at all anymore but I think about playing all the time. I fantasize running balls and playing position, I can almost feel the cue in my hands. I have to tell you, when I do play, I can just pick up a stick and in a few minutes it is as if I play every day. I know golfers use the technique all the time even on the course, you can see the rehearsal going on in their minds before they hit the shot. Every shot they hit they have already hit perfectly in the minds eye thousands of times.

It is not something like the power of positive thinking imagining you will being a millionaire. It is real techniques based on the way the mind actually functions.

In the same respect it is also what causes people to fail and miss easy shots. They picture things going wrong and the mind is more happy to comply, again it doesn't know the difference, if missing is what you picture that is what it will do.

I just went and checked and I also have the second book "Advanced Psycho Cybernetics and Psychofeedback".

I also have "Sporting Body Sporting Mind" and I had forgotten it was endorsed by Alex Higgins the famed snooker player.

The book may be where I remembered the mental practice/physical practice ratio thing from. Many years later I read about a multi-time champion pistol shooter deciding he wanted to learn to juggle and test the theory while doing it. He only practiced juggling 15-30 minutes a day but thought about it many times a day, juggling in his mind. At the end of three days he could juggle. Of course he had fantastic hand eye coordination to begin with.

Put it to the test myself years later, years ago now. I hadn't been shooting my pistol for about a year. Decided I was going to shoot a match and while I did put on my rig to draw and dryfire a little bit I mostly practiced in my mind for several days. Won the match and the range owner who had designed the match was mad. he wasn't exactly mad at me, he was angry that someone could come in without practice and ace his course of fire. "That was supposed to be hard!"

It was hard, everyone else shot their normal scores. I hadn't missed a shot in three days practicing in my mind.

Hu

 

[jcpoolgod]

great post!

Do I feel had! I read the book when I was a kid too, and have forgotten all about it! Don't remember if I gained anything or not.

Got to get the conscious mind out the way, absolutely correct that any words, including words you are using to block out other things, are a handicap. One thing is to plan out your inning before you start it. If you look around the table and know you have problems to solve later that is going to be nagging at your mind keeping it active. It isn't the end of the world if you have to change your plan as the run progresses but have a plan before you start and the entire inning becomes one continuous action, no thought required.

Don't know if you saw this I posted awhile back, kinda part and parcel, in the zone you don't think in words.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=263547

Hu

thanks alot..you have pearls beyond your years...i remember one time i won a tournament when i was a teenager....i kept saying to myself.......solids....stripes...solids stripes....

i didnt think i just made balls.....i guess the key is to give my mind something to focus on...its like tricking it....