I'm late 50's too, but I will admit that my stance is bit more upright than say a Buddy Hall chin on the shaft stance.
Maybe you're right -- later on, CB last might be the only way to go. Still better than the alternative
Lou Figueroa
Do you look at the cue ball or object ball when shooting?
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I'm late 50's too, but I will admit that my stance is bit more upright than say a Buddy Hall chin on the shaft stance.
Maybe you're right -- later on, CB last might be the only way to go. Still better than the alternative
Lou Figueroa
I'll call anyone crazy if they say they can see both balls in this shot. You are kicking the 5 ball into the corner.
What Lou is referring as the whole shot I call situation awareness.
What really determines how you do things at the table is totally controlled by the ball layout on the table. You must adapt your style play to the ball layout and not try to adapt the ball layout to your style of play.
The point of the 3d pics was to show how you focus can limit or expand your field of vision. There are times to use both.
In the pic, there are two shots. The 6 in the corner, I can see the whole shot, pocket, OB CB in focus, by looking just at where the CB needs to be on the table and relaxing my focus as like seeing a 3d pic. I can use my peripheral vision to see where I'm placing my bridge hand without having to move my eyes. I can do this once I determine where I'm putting the CB. No need to use any back and forth eye movement.
Now take the cut shot on the 11 into the upper corner.
In that shot, you can not step into it, you can not get your eyes over the cue. Because you have to reach out over the table from the side, you can not drop down on the shot line. You can not use a lose grip. And yes this is a make able shot, cause I did by holding the cue out away from by body.
So, this one shot has dis-proven alot of what a few have written as gospel.
Whenever you state something as a fact, it needs to be a fact for all possible ball layouts on the table. The test of any system is how well it works in the extremes and not just in normal conditions.
What Lou is referring as the whole shot I call situation awareness.
What really determines how you do things at the table is totally controlled by the ball layout on the table. You must adapt your style play to the ball layout and not try to adapt the ball layout to your style of play.
The point of the 3d pics was to show how you focus can limit or expand your field of vision. There are times to use both.
In the pic, there are two shots. The 6 in the corner, I can see the whole shot, pocket, OB CB in focus, by looking just at where the CB needs to be on the table and relaxing my focus as like seeing a 3d pic. I can use my peripheral vision to see where I'm placing my bridge hand without having to move my eyes. I can do this once I determine where I'm putting the CB. No need to use any back and forth eye movement.
Now take the cut shot on the 11 into the upper corner.
In that shot, you can not step into it, you can not get your eyes over the cue. Because you have to reach out over the table from the side, you can not drop down on the shot line. You can not use a lose grip. And yes this is a make able shot, cause I did by holding the cue out away from by body.
So, this one shot has dis-proven alot of what a few have written as gospel.
Whenever you state something as a fact, it needs to be a fact for all possible ball layouts on the table. The test of any system is how well it works in the extremes and not just in normal conditions.
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Sorry, Not Dead Ted,
I'm sixty-one and I still get down that low. I pay the price the next few days but the price of not getting down, that low is, far greater to me.
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I'm sixty-one and I still get down that low. I pay the price the next few days but the price of not getting down, that low is, far greater to me.
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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
Surprising to see so many guys like looking at the cb last. I guess anything can work as long as you stroke straight on the correct line. To me, its a matter of how my brain can lock in on the straight line(or curved line for that matter). Looking at the cb last, I cant see the straight line because its so short, it doesnt go anywhere. But when the imaginary line is longer, connected to the object ball or perhaps beyond(combo shot)the straight lines are easier to see.
Exactly. It's what I've called, "learning to dance with the table." The table is your dance partner and you have to learn to move around it gracefully while still maintaining "form/core" so that you preserve the integrity of the intrinsic mechanics of your stance that allow you to accurately delve the cue given the parameters and requirements of any given shot and positional play.
Lou Figueroa
or sumthin'
like that
On a cut shot do OB last people focus on the actual OB ?
What about the ghost ball center, or a spot to the side of the OB ? I ask because on a cut shot, the aim line is not on the OB. I wonder if the problem I have with OB last is I subconsciously stoke towards the OB instead of on the aim line.
You're an APA 5 or 4 or whatever. How do you have terms like "situational awareness" defined already? Anyways, there's no 100% blanket technique that works for 100% of all shots. What Tom was saying was "generally speaking." You're also calling someone "crazy" that has more major titles than you have APA wins.
Please. Gimme a break. Give me ONE system that works in the realm of "extremes" as well as normal everyday stuff. You seem to get your rocks off by picking fly shit out of pepper when it comes to respected players whose titles run deep.
These posts of yours are embarrassing you and you don't even know it.
Yes, try looking at the contact point on the object ball last.
sometimes the cueball. sometimes the object ball. sometimes the hot girl in the tight jeans on the table beside me
Which is why I play a very fast tempo.... Less time on the shot more time on the jeans :thumbup:
Ok ill try that...when you shhot do you turn off everything around you so to speak?
sometimes the cueball. sometimes the object ball. sometimes the hot girl in the tight jeans on the table beside me
Where do you play? There's no hot girls, let alone tight jeans, around here.
The closest analogy in other sports that I know of is putting in golf. Everybody looks at the target when putting. Two things show that may not be the best thing to do.
First Dave Pelz found that by missing the putter face's "sweet spot" (a point, not some oval or circle) by as little as 1/16", you will miss many more putts of medium distance. He and others developed routines so professionals can practice consistently hitting the ball in almost exactly the same spot, putt after putt. The result is they make more putts.
Second, Golf Digest did a study on what to look at when making the putting stroke. They found that looking at the target, then looking at the ball, then starting the stroke (within a few seconds), produced better results for most players of all levels than looking at the target, even though they had never tried to putt while looking at the ball before. It was noted that if you looked at the ball for more than a few seconds, you lost the mental image of the ball path (direction and speed), so you had to start over.
I think the same things likely hold true for pool. You have to be able to contact the cue ball within 1/16" or better for many shots, or you will not succeed. Very skilled players do not have to look at the cue ball to be this accurate almost all the time. Less-skilled players...
Focusing down your line to the target, then back at the cue ball + cue tip for a few seconds before starting your stroke, and then following the cue ball with your eyes to impact is certainly a reasonable way to play the game.
As an aside, I've had what is called "monovision" laser surgery. One eye now focuses at about 24", the other one for distance vision (say 6+ feet). This is to allow old folks to both read and to see farther away without glasses. It takes the brain some months to figure out the new arrangement and make it work well. But you still see only one distance in focus at any one time. If you had monovision surgery and trained your eyes for a few months on two objects (like a cue ball+cue tip and distant object ball) that are narrowly separated in your field of view, it is possible you could teach the brain to "see" both objects in focus at the same time. I've never thought about that before.
First Dave Pelz found that by missing the putter face's "sweet spot" (a point, not some oval or circle) by as little as 1/16", you will miss many more putts of medium distance. He and others developed routines so professionals can practice consistently hitting the ball in almost exactly the same spot, putt after putt. The result is they make more putts.
Second, Golf Digest did a study on what to look at when making the putting stroke. They found that looking at the target, then looking at the ball, then starting the stroke (within a few seconds), produced better results for most players of all levels than looking at the target, even though they had never tried to putt while looking at the ball before. It was noted that if you looked at the ball for more than a few seconds, you lost the mental image of the ball path (direction and speed), so you had to start over.
I think the same things likely hold true for pool. You have to be able to contact the cue ball within 1/16" or better for many shots, or you will not succeed. Very skilled players do not have to look at the cue ball to be this accurate almost all the time. Less-skilled players...
Focusing down your line to the target, then back at the cue ball + cue tip for a few seconds before starting your stroke, and then following the cue ball with your eyes to impact is certainly a reasonable way to play the game.
As an aside, I've had what is called "monovision" laser surgery. One eye now focuses at about 24", the other one for distance vision (say 6+ feet). This is to allow old folks to both read and to see farther away without glasses. It takes the brain some months to figure out the new arrangement and make it work well. But you still see only one distance in focus at any one time. If you had monovision surgery and trained your eyes for a few months on two objects (like a cue ball+cue tip and distant object ball) that are narrowly separated in your field of view, it is possible you could teach the brain to "see" both objects in focus at the same time. I've never thought about that before.
Where did Earl say this? I've been hearing for years that Earl
and Efren both look at CB last. No one seems to ever have a record of
any statement.
Dale
Good point. When ever I do shoot OB last, I look down the shot line and not at the contact point. For the most part, they are different and may lead to steering.
Try looking down the shot line and not the contact point, for the most part they're different. This may cause just the slightest of steering which may prevent you from getting a precise hit on the CB. Rodney Morris touches on this in Nate's instructional DVDs. Rodney, Archer and Souquet actually look at the CB last because of this.
Ahhh, so that's your secret - playing with your eyes closed.
I sometimes practice with eyes closed as well! If you are aimed and locked in properly you can do this easily! The only problem is if you miss!
You get no feedback other than what you think might have happened by a feel.
TheThaiger
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Is that true? I don't play golf so genuinely don't know.