Agreed -- it was for me. Edges/centers were always objective for me. Seeing a point that resides 1.125" from the OB edge was a lost cause as far as consistency was concerned.
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Agreed -- it was for me. Edges/centers were always objective for me. Seeing a point that resides 1.125" from the OB edge was a lost cause as far as consistency was concerned.
I'm really at the bottom in the grand scheme of things. I've been hitting a few balls recently with Josh Brothers and he starts with his tip at the very edge of the CB (either left or right) and then...get this... pivots to center DURING his final stroke. Josh says he has had no training on CTE/pivoting in general and it's self-taught.
The guy almost never misses and pivots on every single shot. I think a lot of guys pivot aim. Doesn't mean it's CTE, Pro1, 90/90 or whatever--- it might be homegrown. Either way, it works really well.
That said, I think pivoting is a very powerful tool when applied correctly.
Actually Dave, there are a couple other notable players that employ[ed] this "pivot at the last possible moment" technique: e.g. Robb Saez and the late Cowboy Jimmy Moore.
If you watch either head-on or overhead camera angles of these two players, you'll see the pivot taking place during the delivery stroke itself. While you may consider this amazing with Josh Brothers, consider doing this last-moment pivot *while* in the midst of a l-o-n-g slip stroke, as Cowboy Jimmy Moore had! (In other words, timing the pivot during the "slip-and-regrip" of the slip stroke in the cue delivery.) That's just plain SICK!
-Sean
I agree with you on there are a lot of guys that pivot.I also think the guys that pivot well already played well before they learned it and i guarantee you they wont pivot on every shot.Why?Because there's know reason to and all you guys that think that pivoting is for every shot and these good players are using on every shot are DEAD wrong.Sorry:grin:
The truth pivoting can help ,but over do pivoting can hurt ones ability.:smile:
I see a lot of pro's doing this when I watch YouTube video's "pivots to center DURING his final stroke" They look like there aiming at edges to me with their tip offset and then usually stroke center cue ball on final stroke. That is what I see but I don’t know exactly what they are doing?
An Accu-stats match will be streamed for 2 players that pivot tomorrow night. Busty and Phil Burford.
Phil proudly uses Pro1.
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Phil proudly uses Pro1.
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I agree Dave.A good player can really benefit from pivoting.Someone just learning to play,well things may get a little rough for them.
Here's a video I uploaded of Moore pivoting on his final stroke. Unreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHtRjbHZU2g
Robb Saez pivoting at the last stroke at the beginning of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tofmgw2o1s
Too bad you can't see what his grip hand is doing *during* that last-moment pivot! It's also slipping backwards on the wrap, towards the butt of the cue, as per classic slip-stroke mechanics. Unreal is an understatement.
Robb Saez pivoting at the last stroke at the beginning of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tofmgw2o1s
Yup, that's classic Robb Saez. And he's been pivoting on the delivery stroke like that for every shot, for as long as I can remember.
-Sean
I think the best way to answer this question is to learn about and try the various systems out there and choose the one that works best for you. FYI, basic descriptions and illustrations of the most popular systems can be found here:
Enjoy,
Dave