Jerry,
Why don't you call me and tell me who the player is? Maybe we can do something about it. Since you know who the player is, be part of the solution, not allowing the problem to continue. We can't know everyone.
BCA Open team from TAIWAN disqualified?
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Jerry,
Why don't you call me and tell me who the player is? Maybe we can do something about it. Since you know who the player is, be part of the solution, not allowing the problem to continue. We can't know everyone.
Both require a straight and consistent stroke.
Hey Bill. Mark sorted those boxes out yet? :smile:
Hey Bill,
Thanks for another great year. I'm so relieved knowing you won't have to "threaten" me with being moved back to the Masters:thumbup:. Seriously, there are so many great young players (and a few old codgers like me) it is impossible for you to know every one. Know a few players who did "duck" the Advanced match. Can't say I blame them. It just makes life more difficult for you! Have a suggestion. I'll e-mail you. Thanks again to you and the entire CSI / Bad Boy group for a job well done. See you in January.
Lyn
I think you're on the right track, actually. The end-goal should be to make the advanced division large enough to be self-perpetuating. In fact, it'd be great if the advanced divsion ended up being larger than the Open and actually ATTRACTED new players. There are a few ways to do this and your idea definitely helps. Everyone on the final board gets their one nice payday and then says bye-bye to the Open division forever. Then, you can play around with the added money / entry fee / payout structure to make the advanced division more lucrative.
Bottom line is, the Advanced Division should be where the big payday lies. Increase the race to 7, add money, move more players out of the Open. Do whatever it takes. It would be great to have a B-level player win the Open for a change and the only way that is going to happen is if there isn't 11k on the line.
*pats self on back*
At least one person agrees with me. But then how to you solve the team roster situation if a majority of players are now moving out of the Open? Maybe combine the Open/Advanced teams somehow? Allow up to 2 advanced players or 1 advanced and 1 master?
The more I think about it, I think there needs to be a general shift. The current rules for Advanced competitions should be applied to the Open AND the current rules for the Open should be applied to a new division, a novice division. In the end, I think people gravitate to the Open because "open" is an inclusive word AND historically, the open division is the main event. Redefine the main event for advanced players and give the beginner/intermediates their own arena.
Once you do that, you can then say players have to earn their place in the novice divsion either by League Director approval or by historical data. As well, the novice division can have a lower entry fee AND a lower pay-structure to further entice strong teams to play in the newly defined Open.
Wait, are you referring to singles or teams? I wouldn't introduce yet another level of play. I am only proposing a change to how the level of play is defined. It's simple. You make the money, you move up a level or more. You don't, you remain in that level. You miss the money in multiple years(3?), you move down as it has been in the past. Forget 98% of the petitioning. The main reason that you move down is that you've redonated some of your previous winnings back into the pot.
They do have (or used to have) a trophy division for novice players. Winning got you free entry into the Open the following year and a jacket.
I was actually thinking both singles and team but really just brainstorming possibilities. No matter what, I think both of us are on the same page - some how, some way, you need to get all the advanced players in the same field. It needs to be bigger than it is now and it needs to pay more.
Seems to me the BCAPL had a solution a few years back. Take every member of the top sixteen teams in the Open team event and make them Team Masters. No way to put that team back together for the next few years. No way to load another team with the same crew as only one Master per team was allowed. If the individual player was an Open player, they could play in the Open. If not, Masters or Player Member event. Don't know why they changed. As Bill Stock has participated in this thread already, perhaps he might respond.
Lyn
You can search a lot of players --- let's look at XXXXXX and his results the past few years. I bet he couldn't believe it when the Taiwanese players tried to 'steal' his money in the 8 ball open singles he was allowed to play in -
2012 BCAPL National Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
8MOS XXXXXXX 7-8
9MOT XXXXXXX 1st Place
8MAT XXXXXXX 9-12
2011 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
8MOS XXXXXX 385-512
8MMT XXXXXX 2nd Place
BCAPL Midwest Regional
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
MMS XXXXXXX 9-12
MMT XXXXXXX 2nd Place
2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
MOS XXXXXXXX 49-64
MOT XXXXXXXX 1st Place
2012 BCAPL National Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
8MOS XXXXXXX 7-8
9MOT XXXXXXX 1st Place
8MAT XXXXXXX 9-12
2011 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
8MOS XXXXXX 385-512
8MMT XXXXXX 2nd Place
BCAPL Midwest Regional
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
MMS XXXXXXX 9-12
MMT XXXXXXX 2nd Place
2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships
Division First Last Team Start Time Region League Result Bracket Matches
MOS XXXXXXXX 49-64
MOT XXXXXXXX 1st Place
Jude is on the right track
Even though the BCAPL prides itself as the most competitive league there is, I do believe that many "average" league players steer clear from the BCAPL open because they have no shot at cashing let alone winning.
There should be enough players for two large events (Thousand each). With the historical data, players that have never cashed should be eligible for a "Lower Open" event with a 50 dollar entry fee, race to 5/4 maybe in the 3k range for first place. No added Money. This would be for players that have never done anything in a state or regional event let alone Vegas.
Add the coin to the "Upper" Open/Advanced as incentive for the better players to duke it out in a Race to 6/5 125 entry fee.
Just trying to throw out ideas to give the regular guys a fighting chance and adding numbers to the Advanced division to make it a worthwile cause.
Also, the top 48 of the "Upper" Open going into Masters would add sorely needed more"Master Blood".
Even though the BCAPL prides itself as the most competitive league there is, I do believe that many "average" league players steer clear from the BCAPL open because they have no shot at cashing let alone winning.
There should be enough players for two large events (Thousand each). With the historical data, players that have never cashed should be eligible for a "Lower Open" event with a 50 dollar entry fee, race to 5/4 maybe in the 3k range for first place. No added Money. This would be for players that have never done anything in a state or regional event let alone Vegas.
Add the coin to the "Upper" Open/Advanced as incentive for the better players to duke it out in a Race to 6/5 125 entry fee.
Just trying to throw out ideas to give the regular guys a fighting chance and adding numbers to the Advanced division to make it a worthwile cause.
Also, the top 48 of the "Upper" Open going into Masters would add sorely needed more"Master Blood".
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Jerry, I understand how the system works. I just think it would be pretty extreme, dumping matches to keep your Open team together. I got 49th in singles and beleive me, if I would have beat the guy I was playing, I didn't care about being moved up to Advanced.
We could still play on Open teams with 1 Advanced player.
Mike got 65th and he was definitely trying to beat you in his final match. If we both would have got into the top 48, we already had it planned to have a 4 man team in Advanced next year. It's easier to get 4 players than to get 5. Many pool players don't have the cash to go to Vegas.
Personally, I think it's crazy to get that close to the big money and dump, just to keep your team together.
If I get a chance to win 1st, my team can kiss me goodbye, LOL.
Sidenote: Jerry, since you are a Advanced player now, I might need a game on the wire going to 6.
Lyn, I'm aware of the changes made in previous years to prevent teams from stacking and restacking.
My question was based on what should/could be done from a team perspective if my suggestion to move all paid singles event finishers up to (minimim) the next level was taken seriously.
In other words, i'm suggesting that the open singles payout line begin at the final bracket or later and anyone who cashes will have to move to, at least, the advanced in the subsequent years. As a result of this, a whole flood of players would now become advanced therefore making it harder to field an Open team which only allows for 1 advanced player at a max.
There was a team this year in the Open that finished very high that played together in 2010, also with a very high finish.
Nope. With the holiday weekend, we're just giving Mark a couple extra days to open his boxes.
