There is a difference between doing it, and trying to hide it. I've done it, but said I did and gave the other player ball in hand.
A Double Hit is NOT a legal APA shot
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There is a difference between doing it, and trying to hide it. I've done it, but said I did and gave the other player ball in hand.
Everywhere I have seen, in "real" pool rules, not league or local rules, I am talking about official rules that pros and most reasonable humans play by, unless that touch is in the process of a shot, it's not illegal. Just like you can take ball in hand, place it down, take a few practice strokes, pick it up again. If your hit causes the cue ball to hit another ball while you are moving it, which often happens a lot when bump it with your tip, that is a foul.
But league and local rules are the bane of good players, "marking" your pocket when the 8-ball is 1/4 inch from it? Really now.
That's true. I'm a really relaxed guy so my body just doesn't even have that knee-jerk reaction to begin with.
You are spot on! That very much was the rule, but it was an obvious contradiction to the "you can't hit the cueball twice" rule. They very much needed to change this, and it sounds like they have.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know when it was changed? I've been away from APA for 4 years. If it was recently, that may explain why some think it's still valid.
The "nearly frozen" part was removed in 2006.
Actually, it was only partially removed in the 2006-2008 manual. The bolded part below remained for some reason, still allowing a double hit at close separation to only be unsportsmanlike if used repeatedly:
PUSH SHOTS: A push shot involves a situation where the cue ball is frozen to the object ball. The problem faced by the shooter is to keep from pushing or keeping the tip of the cue on the cue ball. It looks bad and is generally thought of as illegal. Push shots are controversial. Push shots will not be called in this amateur League. Even the professional players cannot agree about what is and isn’t a push shot. In general, you can lessen your chances of being accused of shooting a push shot by hitting the cue ball into the object ball at an angle, or by elevating the butt of your cue about 30 degrees. This automatically cuts down the length of the follow through which is the principal cause of a push shot. Players who repeatedly guide the cue ball with force through object balls that are frozen or nearly frozen to the cue ball, using a level cue and long follow through, may be subject to a sportsmanship penalty.
If you think push shots aren't controversial, you haven't played in my area. And pointing it out in the rule book generally just gets the opponent more agitated. It's almost as bad as not marking your pocket.
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You are correct in that the second reference to nearly frozen was not removed until 2010. The sentence itself did not preclude the double hit from being a foul, though. It seems as if you're trying to say that this sentence meant you could double-hit without penalty as long as you didn't do it repeatedly, and even then it was only a sportsmanship penalty. If you aren't trying to say that, my apologies for misinterpreting your post.
I'm sure the second reference was meant to be removed in that revision, because it makes no sense to remove one without the other. I only mention the updated rule as a possible explanation as to why some in the APA may think the close double hit is not illegal. It's a fairly recent rule change and some of the veteran players may not have kept up to date.