Miscuing with Kamui chalk...0.98

BigDon said:
This was your first post to this thread! Are you calling this your fine contribution to AZ? Before you go off at the mouth again, just stop and look at this and then you may understand where we are coming from! This is you helping someone? Where did the the op to this point do any whining? Looked like someone just trying to see if anyone else had this same problem he did. IMO it looks like you just like to put post out for something to do.

Fine contribution Sir, fine job!
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and your contribution is supporting

the "MISCUE HEARD ROUND THE WORLD" holy shit alert FEMA..

my issues with Kamui are 2 fold

I disagree with them Philosophically..

its obvious that whoever is running that place got their MBA in the late 90's- early 2000's when super premium marketing was all the rage

i.e. you don't need a superior product.. you just need a marketing blitz telling people that you do ...and a gigantic sticker shock that creates a placebo effect in anyone who does pay it..


and 2 I think that the chalk is garbage

it DRASTICALLY slows down any table that it has been used on for any length of time ..

regular chalk can cause skid kamui turns that into something more like street racer drift

I have seen a sliding cb hit "Kamui lipstick slicks" on the table get thrown offline and begin rolling right away.. and every pool player knows that controling the slide zone IS speed control.. and using kamui puts speed traps all over the table

and I know that 99.99999% miscues by amateurs are caused by stroking error NOT CHALK!!!!! and whining about them on the internet while blaming the chalk will get you called out
 
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TomHay said:
Don,

If I read it right this time it could be the specific gravity of the binder used to hold the chalk togeather floating up or flowing down changing the physical properties.

It would be that same binder that would hold the chalk to the tip.

I am only hoping that people don't get in the habit of not chalking.

For like $30.00 I think I would send it back where I bought it, get a refund and let them figure it out. According to the first post it is happening to a friend of his as well so I would say something needs fixing.
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Tom

I would say that I got comfortable with the chalking once before each game.
 
softshot said:
and your contribution is supporting

the "MISCUE HEARD ROUND THE WORLD" holy shit alert FEMA..

my issues with Kamui are 2 fold

I disagree with them Philosophically..

its obvious that whoever is running that place got their MBA in the late 90's- early 2000's when super premium marketing was all the rage

i.e. you don't need a superior product.. you just need a marketing blitz telling people that you do ...and a gigantic sticker shock that creates a placebo effect in anyone who does pay it..


and 2 I think that the chalk is garbage

it DRASTICALLY slows down any table that it has been used on for any length of time ..

regular chalk can cause skid kamui turns that into something more like street racer drift

I have seen a sliding cb hit "Kamui lipstick slicks" on the table get thrown offline and begin rolling right away.. and every pool player knows that controling the slide zone IS speed control.. and using kamui puts speed traps all over the table

and I know that 99.99999% miscues by amateurs are caused by stroking error NOT CHALK!!!!! and whining about them on the internet while blaming the chalk will get you called out
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Why are you so angry? It's obvious,you don't like Kamui.. I get that.. You don't even use the chalk. Why come on here and post? You have said "0" about the topic but have been a total a$$ to me and others. It's uncalled for...

1. Kamui has not made my stroke/game any better or worse? Let's get that cleared up. It has up until this past weekend been a positive and definitely helped me in NOT miscuing.

2. I paid $25 for a cube of chalk that isn't performing like it did when I originally purchased it. I'm curious as to why? Think that's why we have AZ and forums like this? Sorry,everything isn't to your liking

3. I don't think 3,000+ post makes you any better than me. It's obvious the majority of the 3,000 are you complaining and whining( which is funny,cause you keep saying I am). I would say I've contributed more to the AZ community by selling and buying. You just come on others threads and whine and complain. We definitely need people like you **sarcasm**
 
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TomHay said:
Don,

If I read it right this time it could be the specific gravity of the binder used to hold the chalk togeather floating up or flowing down changing the physical properties.

It would be that same binder that would hold the chalk to the tip.

I am only hoping that people don't get in the habit of not chalking.

For like $30.00 I think I would send it back where I bought it, get a refund and let them figure it out. According to the first post it is happening to a friend of his as well so I would say something needs fixing.
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Thanks for the response Tom! Could be the answer, who knows. I don't use the Kamui chalk myself but am very curious as to whats going on. I get customers requesting it but I don't keep it on hand. I like to keep up with whats going on with products. Some that start to have problems, I try to stay away from because it will just cost me money in the long run keeping customers happy with replacements and so on. Just like the tip you spoke of that you replaced even thou you probably don't feel it was the tips fault. I need to get up with you on some tip pricing, can you send me some pricing in a pm?
 
softshot said:
and your contribution is supporting

the "MISCUE HEARD ROUND THE WORLD" holy shit alert FEMA..

my issues with Kamui are 2 fold

I disagree with them Philosophically..

its obvious that whoever is running that place got their MBA in the late 90's- early 2000's when super premium marketing was all the rage

i.e. you don't need a superior product.. you just need a marketing blitz telling people that you do ...and a gigantic sticker shock that creates a placebo effect in anyone who does pay it..



and 2 I think that the chalk is garbage

it DRASTICALLY slows down any table that it has been used on for any length of time ..

regular chalk can cause skid kamui turns that into something more like street racer drift

I have seen a sliding cb hit "Kamui lipstick slicks" on the table get thrown offline and begin rolling right away.. and every pool player knows that controling the slide zone IS speed control.. and using kamui puts speed traps all over the table

and I know that 99.99999% miscues by amateurs are caused by stroking error NOT CHALK!!!!! and whining about them on the internet while blaming the chalk will get you called out
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All I can tell you Sir is that this was not a Kamui chalk review post. This was not a give your useless opinion or smart a$$ comments post. You claim to support AZ but your first post on here was talking trash about the OP. You don't like Kamui, don't use it! Having skid problems, talk to your room owner about banning it! Nobody asked what you thought about a companies marketing program or anything else. What part of what you have said holds any weight or is even constructive in any manner dealing with what was asked in the OP? Called out? What are you the forum police or something. Earl Strickland acts a fool half the time he is in a match but do you think it was my place to "call him out" when he stopped in the pool room the other day? It's going to be OK. We understand you don't like Kamui products, the company, marketing tatics or even yourself at this point. Go be mad with your fantastic stroke somewhere else!
 
For the heck of it I just put some Kamui on a newly reshaped tip. Its been in my case for months & is near a year old. Give or take, just giving a time basis. It goes on similar to regular chalk, it has definitely dried out some. Its like a fine powder instead of going on similar to say lipstick.

I don't use it mostly because I don't believe in chalking once a rack or more. Chalking is a routine, not just that but you could hit the same spot a few times and miscue. Anyway because of this thread I'll hit a few balls tomorrow using just Kamui. I have the feeling if I get to far outside I may miscue just going buy the texture.

Speaking of chalk, the room I play in has APA chalk. Leagues I guess but that stuff is junk. I never new but I thought the APA might use Tweeten and relabel masters. It is not masters and I'm not the only one that noticed its junk chalk. I guess the APA found the best deal & went for it. Sorry for the rant, I'll let you know on the Kamui. I seldom miscue and if I do it better be on the edge of the tip. Not like the APA crap that miscues well inside of the outer limit.

Rod
 
While in Vegas recently I purchased a Kamui chalk just out of curiosity
I started using it earlier this week and deliberately didnt rechalk until I needed to. In my first session I miscued after 19 games, in my second session I miscued after 14 games so as far as I am concerned, it is living up to its reputation. Time will tell if it will last the course.
 
2. I paid $25 for a cube of chalk that isn't performing like it did when I originally purchased it. I'm curious as to why? Think that's why we have AZ and forums like this?
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In theory. In reality, we may as well rename the place 'Shill Central'. Somebody will always throw some kind of ad up, even if completely unrelated. Reviews are spun to such a degree that they may as well have come from the marketing department, or that of the competitor's. Battle lines over products are long since drawn up, and the ones that aren't already erected often evolve enough posters that have been on the opposite side for so long that it doesn't really matter what they speak of, anyhow.

I'm sorry a more productive thread on a very simple question could not occur here, though, if you dig deep enough there is an undercurrent in here, somewhere, which is more than can be said for other threads on this particular subject. To that end, do not quickly dismiss some of the comments in this thread. Because of the general behavior of this board, there is not the collective intelligence to quantify issues on this product that there otherwise would be at this time. Expectations of the product, both new and over the course of its lifetime, often drive discussion rather than empirical data.
 
Peter@CEP said:
While in Vegas recently I purchased a Kamui chalk just out of curiosity
I started using it earlier this week and deliberately didnt rechalk until I needed to. In my first session I miscued after 19 games, in my second session I miscued after 14 games so as far as I am concerned, it is living up to its reputation. Time will tell if it will last the course.
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Peter

Thanks for the response... I have been seeing those kind of results for over a year. This weekend...it just didn't seem to be gripping like before.

Hope you keep seeing the great results
 
Acura, how many times did you miscue before considering the chalk was going bad? And in how how many outings? (Just wondering if it could be a coincidence.) I'm also thinking if the chalk was really changing properties over time or use, others would describe similar experiences. Maybe your piece just dried out?

If you really think you have a piece of chalk that cannot perform certain shots others can, I guess anything is possible. Only way to really know is to pass it around to other users for feedback. Then if you send it back to kamui, you would also have a small petition to support the claim.
 
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Bambu said:
Acura, how many times did you miscue before considering the chalk was going bad? And in how how many outings? (Just wondering if it could be a coincidence.) I'm also thinking if the chalk was really changing properties over time or use, others would describe similar experiences. Maybe your piece just dried out?

If you really think you have a piece of chalk that cannot perform certain shots others can, I guess anything is possible. Only way to really know is to pass it around to other users for feedback. Then if you send it back to kamui, you would also have a small petition to support the claim.
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Bambu

I was playing all weekend in a tournament. My last miscue happened in the finals on the last day. It happened 3 times. It wasn't shots with extreme English ,heavy draw or anything like that? I'm not saying that I didn't have any contribution to any of them. I can't remember the last time I miscued like this. And the others in my area ARE having issues with the Kamui. They are miscuing frequently with it. I'm only on here looking to see if maybe others are seeing the same results in different areas .

It's not certain shots ... It's any shot... John did ask me to send it back for evaluation and I did.. It may be that I need to chalk more with it now..
 
I've never used Kamui, but can't you just look at your tip and know when it is time to chalk? Just wondering....
 
AcuraHeel said:
Can you?? What is your tip looks fine and you still miscue??
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Time to switch to a different piece of chalk. Not all chalk is created equal. Some is just not good. You can tell when you chalk your tip though...it will feel right.

Of course if your tip is glazed over or not roughed up...even a good piece of chalk will not help.
 
poolguy4u said:
Of course if your tip is glazed over or not roughed up...even a good piece of chalk will not help.
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This is exactly why I use it ... I can play side with my phenolic and not worry. It does help immensely under these conditions. I can't imagine the worst glazing being any more difficult than a smooth phenolic tip.

But still, it's not the point of the thread which is, "has anyone had a problem once they get down to half a cube or less?"

I'm still at 8/10's of a cube Heel, it will be a while before I can give an honest answer. I have noticed my original cube has dried out quite a bit though and doesn't coat the same way but I can still play without miscues.
 
I have found that if I use a tip pick before putting the Kamui on it lasts twice as long. I played straight pool to 100 yesterday and didn't chalk at all except for the initial time after using the tip pick. No problems. I'm using a everest medium. My cube is not even 1/5th used up after several months of daily play.
 
mlfield said:
put chalking your cue, even if it's just one light swipe, into your preshot routine. Your play will improve as will your confidence.
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I say this all the time before you shoot “chalk up” what could possibly be the reason not to? Make chalking part of your PSR. Just my advice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqakiKbhHI&feature=player_embedded

Not chalking is a much bigger problem than players realize. Pay attention closely to what he is saying yes poor chalking habits will help you to DEVELOP STROKE FLAWS! Some people on here want to chalk every set or game or something; just chalk up before you shoot.
 
I said earlier my kamui is a year old. It may be 13 months and was only used a few times. I keep it in my case and it has not been used for several months. So because of this thread I gave it a test. I chalked every 2 or 3 shots approx. It seems to stay on the tip & I never miscued. I hit near max english, some with draw & follow. I'm not one that cares to test limits, like how long will it take to miscue without chalking. I hate miscues and it rarely happens.

What I did find though is it left a lot of chalk dust on the table, especially on draw shots. There was a lot of white lines all over the table. I think some of that got on got on object balls & for sure the cue ball. I had a couple of nasty skids. The chalk is more powdery than when it was new. Someone mentioned maybe the binder is drying out. I think that or similar is what happens. At any rate its messy so it goes back in the case or maybe call Kamui. To the OP let us or me know the results from Kamui. Thanks

Rod
 
Rod said:
I said earlier my kamui is a year old. It may be 13 months and was only used a few times. I keep it in my case and it has not been used for several months. So because of this thread I gave it a test. I chalked every 2 or 3 shots approx. It seems to stay on the tip & I never miscued. I hit near max english, some with draw & follow. I'm not one that cares to test limits, like how long will it take to miscue without chalking. I hate miscues and it rarely happens.

What I did find though is it left a lot of chalk dust on the table, especially on draw shots. There was a lot of white lines all over the table. I think some of that got on got on object balls & for sure the cue ball. I had a couple of nasty skids. The chalk is more powdery than when it was new. Someone mentioned maybe the binder is drying out. I think that or similar is what happens. At any rate its messy so it goes back in the case or maybe call Kamui. To the OP let us or me know the results from Kamui. Thanks

Rod
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ok so if you chalk every 2 or 3 times why use Kamui? You can chalk that often with masters no problem. The key to preventing the nasty skid marks on the table and cue ball is to blow the excess off the tip after you apply the Kamui, or you can pat it lightly with a napkin. Also the tip pick beforehand works real good for longevity. These procedures take seconds to do and make all the difference I have found. I am never pushing it to see how long I can go before miscuing. You just look at your tip and you can see if it is ready to rechalk. I usually play an hour to an hour and a half before reapplying and there is still plenty of chalk on my tip. I dont expect everyone to believe it but Ive been doing this for many months now playing daily and I love it.
 
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