Miscuing with Kamui chalk...0.98

Why?

Why do some people feel the need to troll the board and just bash people looking for help? I thought this is what this was supposed to be for, helping people?
He never come on here bashing Kamui, the chaulk or anything else but just looking to see if anyone else had the same problem. I know this player, work on his cues and would back him any day of the week! Ask most people in this area who is the top players around here and I would bet his name will come up. I have also heard of this problem from two other players, one of them being a player that can can run racks with his eyes closed. I understand people giving suggestions as to what might be going on but the ones that come here and think they already know everything and it must be his stroke and he is just a banger is not adding a thing to this post.
This is exactly why I mostly stay in the cue makers area. A lot less drama!!!
 
Those posts are why a lot of us have reigned back our participation or just walked away entirely. I spent the last of my energy on PP yesterday only to realize, yet again, how pointless it is to bother.
 
I can see my post is being misinterpreted as trolling. What you guys read as trolling is actually the help this guy needs. Instead of chalking once per set, chalk once per game. If once per game results in random miscues, chalk 2x per game. Problem solved.

If you want to continue to search for "what's wrong with Kamui" without looking at the simplest (and correct) answer (and call it trolling) --- g'luck sir.

I don't blame you guys--- it's really Kamui's fault for creating a perception that is simply false. Or, more specifically, when certain players created and propagated a perception that is false--- they never corrected it and brought sense to the situation--- they let it spread hoping it'd increase sales (and it did).

I don't care if you play as an APA 9 or an APA 50 or an APA 20000 ----- saying you chalk 1x per set is foolish regardless of the chalk you use. It's brainwashing, imo.

P.S. EVERY brand of chalk will change properties over time (humidity, temperature, etc). Nothing is wrong w/ it. If you used to chalk once per set and now you're forced into chalking 1x per game--- that doesn't mean the chalk is "broken." Most of us will throw away chalk when it stops laying right (too wet, too dry). I know you can't because you spent $40 or whatever on it, so now you have to RMA it back to Kamui. I don't blame you one bit. If you pay $40/cube, it should never, ever, ever, ever miscue and should be warranted by Kamui against all atmospheric conditions. Maybe then, they'll admit it's not from the planet Krypton.
 
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Here is the part I think we are missing, if we are truly looking to help out. No matter what your or anyone elses opinion is of how often somebody should chalk up. He never had a problem until he got down to about half a cube of chalk. The same complaint I have been hearing from others, new cube is fine and get down to half and they start having problems. He wasn't saying he always miscues with Kamui, but just when it gets down to half or so. Now the problem is why is miscues happening when you get down to half? Maybe the chalk has lost some of it's luster being open that long and he would need to chalk up more often? That would be a better response than saying it's 100% the player or you can't go that long.You guys should open the best pool school in the world since you can evaluate a player just off what has been said on a post! He has proven for years until he gets to half a cube that he CAN play that long on the amount of chalk being used. You can't sit there and tell me it's all the player when I have witnessed what he is saying with my own eyes! Now something has had to have changed, and I don't think these players have lost their stroke when they get to half a cube of chalk. Just take the time to read and understand what people are saying. Half a cube is the problem we are trying to figure out! People talking about dropping elbows, being a banger, no stroke and so on. Did half the cube steal his mojo? Get to half a cube and you turn into a banger with no stroke? Come on guys, be real!
 
BigDon said:
Here is the part I think we are missing, if we are truly looking to help out. No matter what your or anyone elses opinion is of how often somebody should chalk up. He never had a problem until he got down to about half a cube of chalk. The same complaint I have been hearing from others, new cube is fine and get down to half and they start having problems. He wasn't saying he always miscues with Kamui, but just when it gets down to half or so. Now the problem is why is miscues happening when you get down to half? Maybe the chalk has lost some of it's luster being open that long and he would need to chalk up more often? That would be a better response than saying it's 100% the player or you can't go that long.You guys should open the best pool school in the world since you can evaluate a player just off what has been said on a post! He has proven for years until he gets to half a cube that he CAN play that long on the amount of chalk being used. You can't sit there and tell me it's all the player when I have witnessed what he is saying with my own eyes! Now something has had to have changed, and I don't think these players have lost their stroke when they get to half a cube of chalk. Just take the time to read and understand what people are saying. Half a cube is the problem we are trying to figure out! People talking about dropping elbows, being a banger, no stroke and so on. Did half the cube steal his mojo? Get to half a cube and you turn into a banger with no stroke? Come on guys, be real!
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I did take the time to read and I'm questioning why I'm replying. The stuff is lipsticky. It's prob drying (and prob why they ship it with a ziplock bag). If it doesn't work as well (and everyone else sees it too) -- that doesn't mean the chalk is broken.... it might just be: it is what it is.

Another thing that's confusing is how great players such as yourselves trust ANY chalk enough to not chalk often. I haven't miscued forever because I chalk after every shot with cheapo Master. So, as I said earlier-- just chalk a HAIR more.

Anyways--- I hope you guys find your answer on what's changing w/ the Kamui. Sorry for hijacking by saying to chalk a few times per set to avoid miscues.:rolleyes: At least my troll-like posts keep this thread at the top--- when it was buried yesterday.
 
Logically something is going on with the chalk. When a product comes in a sealed, airtight, wrapper it only stands to reason something is going to change after a while once it's been opened.
 
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Hey Spider, just to be clear I was not calling you the troll in this mess. I apologize if it was taken that way. There was another on here that I had just seen post talking about had "just taken a lesson last year" and is now on here posting all their know how and stupid videos about not handling the truth! I myself use good ol' masters on every shot and would not even want to use a chalk that I am willing to test the limits of how far it will go. I do have customers using Kamui and that is their choice to do so. I was just trying to help the guy out and see if there were others having this same issue. This also helps me as being a retailer/repair person in the billiards industry. I have gained a lot of help from some great people on this forum and hope to return the favor any chance I can get. Hit'em well and be careful when you get down to half a cube :wink:
 
BigDon said:
Hey Spider, just to be clear I was not calling you the troll in this mess. I apologize if it was taken that way. There was another on here that I had just seen post talking about had "just taken a lesson last year" and is now on here posting all their know how and stupid videos about not handling the truth! I myself use good ol' masters on every shot and would not even want to use a chalk that I am willing to test the limits of how far it will go. I do have customers using Kamui and that is their choice to do so. I was just trying to help the guy out and see if there were others having this same issue. This also helps me as being a retailer/repair person in the billiards industry. I have gained a lot of help from some great people on this forum and hope to return the favor any chance I can get. Hit'em well and be careful when you get down to half a cube :wink:
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I didn't take it that way -- and well said. I think I have a posting style that's sometimes misread as having a stern connotation; but I merely type as I think and it comes out that way (I try not to be a matter-of-fact style poster because I know squat in the grand scheme of things).

I think all I was trying to say was if the properties change and you have to chalk more often (which is still WAY less than a Masters-chalk-player), just chalk more often.

I admit my problem is I think this chalk has a super hero aura to it so I catch myself blasting it in posts to offset all the posts that declare it to have magical non-miscuing powers.

Kamui should skip the $40 / cube chalk hustle and just go for the $80 tip that never needs chalk (or mushrooms). That's more believable than chalk that eliminates miscues.

My best----
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I didn't take it that way -- and well said. I think I have a posting style that's sometimes misread as having a stern connotation; but I merely type as I think and it comes out that way (I try not to be a matter-of-fact style poster because I know squat in the grand scheme of things).

I think all I was trying to say was if the properties change and you have to chalk more often (which is still WAY less than a Masters-chalk-player), just chalk more often.

My best----
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and that is exactly why I'm on here trying to see if the chalks properties are changing after it's used for a good period of time. I could chalk once per game and be fine. As a matter of fact...that's overkill for how Kamui did grip on the tip and hold up. I've did it this way for over a year with NO problems. Now I'm having problems. It's that simple....

I would definitely chalk more if that were the case, but I haven't needed to...


Why is that so hard to understand? I'm guessing that those who doubt it, have never used it?
 
BigDon said:
Hey Spider, just to be clear I was not calling you the troll in this mess. I apologize if it was taken that way. There was another on here that I had just seen post talking about had "just taken a lesson last year" and is now on here posting all their know how and stupid videos about not handling the truth! I myself use good ol' masters on every shot and would not even want to use a chalk that I am willing to test the limits of how far it will go. I do have customers using Kamui and that is their choice to do so. I was just trying to help the guy out and see if there were others having this same issue. This also helps me as being a retailer/repair person in the billiards industry. I have gained a lot of help from some great people on this forum and hope to return the favor any chance I can get. Hit'em well and be careful when you get down to half a cube :wink:
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you must mean me..ok I tend to crash down on whiners..and acura boy is a fkn whiner.. his ego is so HUGE and FRAGILE that it can't possibly be HIM who made an error.. lets send the chalk in for testing to shore up my fragile ego.. please

I have heard ridiculous excuses for missing a shot..but this one takes the cake... send the chalk in for testing?? are you fkn serious??..

you must be his backer.. who lost money on the miscue in question and you believe your horse despite the absurdity.. he's got you wrapped around his finger it seems.

p.s I don't know where the" I just learned to play last year" BS came from I work on my game hardcore practice for hours each day and have for 6 or 7 years now..
 
softshot said:
you must mean me..ok I tend to crash down on whiners..and acura boy is a fkn whiner.. his ego is so HUGE and FRAGILE that it can't possibly be HIM who made an error.. lets send the chalk in for testing to shore up my fragile ego.. please

I have heard ridiculous excuses for missing a shot..but this one takes the cake... send the chalk in for testing?? are you fkn serious??..

you must be his backer.. who lost money on the miscue in question and you believe your horse despite the absurdity.. he's got you wrapped around his finger it seems.

p.s I don't know where the" I just learned to play last year" BS came from I work on my game hardcore practice for hours each day and have for 6 or 7 years now..
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You still can't read can you? I quoted you from another post talking about "You had just taken a lesson last year" I didn't say you you just learned to play last year. I just think it's funny coming from a person that has just had a great improvement in their game from a lesson a year ago to come on here and tell people that their stroke has gone bad when they hit half way down on a pc of chalk. Something else kind of funny is that he is not the only one saying this. Maybe your ready to start giving lessons now and could help him out since you are such a great contribution to this site! I think Kamui wanting to test the chalk is a smart choice by them. They asked him to send it in, he did not beg them to take it to fix his ego! I guess you just think these companies just whip up ideas and send this stuff out to all the great road players like yourself with no testing right? You are judging a person you know nothing about! I have never backed him but I would with no question! I tell you what hero, come on out this way and I will put up what ever you want. I guess you have won, because now I have come down to your level. I am done with this thread, if anyone has anything constructive to say then it would be appreciated.
 
Here is my take on all this. Out of all the thousands of UltraSkin Layered Cue Tips I have put out I got my first and only complaint, return, refund.

The person said they mis cued a couple of times. I don't argue with customers, gave full refund. No where however do I mention or lead people to believe I have a Mis Cue proof tip.

Heres the deal, IMO. If you don't chalk between shots you greatly up your chances to Mis Cue. If you are gambling in a game or playing in a tournament and you mis cue and lose is any Cue Tip manufacturer going to give you back your money for doing so (I am writing of gambling money and tournament winnings)? I don't think so.

To NOT chalk after every shot, you are gambling.

This however has no bearing on the grip or feel of treated layered tips, it is a luxury, not an insurance policy.

If somewhere it is written that you have an Insurance Policy for paying like $40.00 Plus for a tip install and around $30.00 for chalk I would like to see it.

The UltraSkin Layered Cue Tips will give you a big bang for your buck but like any tip, chalk up and I don't care what chalk you use.
 
BigDon said:
You still can't read can you? I quoted you from another post talking about "You had just taken a lesson last year" I didn't say you you just learned to play last year. I just think it's funny coming from a person that has just had a great improvement in their game from a lesson a year ago to come on here and tell people that their stroke has gone bad when they hit half way down on a pc of chalk. Something else kind of funny is that he is not the only one saying this. Maybe your ready to start giving lessons now and could help him out since you are such a great contribution to this site! I think Kamui wanting to test the chalk is a smart choice by them. They asked him to send it in, he did not beg them to take it to fix his ego! I guess you just think these companies just whip up ideas and send this stuff out to all the great road players like yourself with no testing right? You are judging a person you know nothing about! I have never backed him but I would with no question! I tell you what hero, come on out this way and I will put up what ever you want. I guess you have won, because now I have come down to your level. I am done with this thread, if anyone has anything constructive to say then it would be appreciated.
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I met with my first coach in 06. so stop pretending like you know me ( don't judge a person you know nothing about mr. hypocrite). I have contributed more to this site than the 2 of you put together times 10.. Kamui is pure bullshit marketing and it's never been anything else..

I don't need magic gear ..I have a fantastic stroke
 
TomHay said:
Here is my take on all this. Out of all the thousands of UltraSkin Layered Cue Tips I have put out I got my first and only complaint, return, refund.

The person said they mis cued a couple of times. I don't argue with customers, gave full refund. No where however do I mention or lead people to believe I have a Mis Cue proof tip.

Heres the deal, IMO. If you don't chalk between shots you greatly up your chances to Mis Cue. If you are gambling in a game or playing in a tournament and you mis cue and lose is any Cue Tip manufacturer going to give you back your money for doing so (I am writing of gambling money and tournament winnings)? I don't think so.

To NOT chalk after every shot, you are gambling.

This however has no bearing on the grip or feel of treated layered tips, it is a luxury, not an insurance policy.

If somewhere it is written that you have an Insurance Policy for paying like $40.00 Plus for a tip install and around $30.00 for chalk I would like to see it.

The UltraSkin Layered Cue Tips will give you a big bang for your buck but like any tip, chalk up and I don't care what chalk you use.
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Tom, I think we would all agree 100% on what your saying and really your stating the obvious! His question was why? Why could he do this before and not now? Why would it last this amount of time before but now it wont? Why would you always get 60,000 miles out of your tires but now the same brand only last 30,000 miles? He is not looking excuses or free chalk or anything else but a reason why. Everyone knows you should chalk often or miscues are likely to happen. He is just trying to get an answer as to why things have changed.
 
softshot said:
you must mean me..ok I tend to crash down on whiners..and acura boy is a fkn whiner.. his ego is so HUGE and FRAGILE that it can't possibly be HIM who made an error.. lets send the chalk in for testing to shore up my fragile ego.. please

I have heard ridiculous excuses for missing a shot..but this one takes the cake... send the chalk in for testing?? are you fkn serious??..

you must be his backer.. who lost money on the miscue in question and you believe your horse despite the absurdity.. he's got you wrapped around his finger it seems.

p.s I don't know where the" I just learned to play last year" BS came from I work on my game hardcore practice for hours ch day and have for 6 or 7 years now..
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You are a fking loser...period...you have nothing constructive on this topic...not 1 thing... You fool are the only whiner on here it seems. I feel like you now by sinking to your level but you slandering us on here is ridiculous

Do you use Kamui chalk? If not, why did post on here unless you have issues... You not hugged as a child...or are u a child using your parents computer???

You ARE NOT an asset to AZ... an Ass... Yes
 
softshot said:
I met with my first coach in 06. so stop pretending like you know me ( don't judge a person you know nothing about mr. hypocrite). I have contributed more to this site than the 2 of you put together times 10.. Kamui is pure bullshit marketing and it's never been anything else..

I don't need magic gear ..I have a fantastic stroke
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Seriously.... Did you just give yourself praise....

I bet you kiss yourself to sleep at night... ;)
 
softshot said:
I have contributed more to this site than the 2 of you put together times 10..
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Mathematically as well as contextually correct...I see what you did there. ;)

Kamui is pure bullshit marketing and it's never been anything else..
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Fact...And I've paid for the right to say that, in the form of a tip I don't like and a cube of chalk I never use.

To be more specific, their tips are marketed to have anti-mushrooming properties. My Kamui soft tip mushrooms more than most tips I've used. It also glazes over easily, and I had to have it trimmed down after a layer fell off.

Their chalk is the messiest I've ever seen, and was really more of an annoyance than an aid in the few hundred shots I shot with it.
 
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the420trooper said:
Mathematically as well as contextually correct...I see what you did there. ;)

Fact...And I've paid for the right to say that, in the form of a tip I don't like a a cube of chalk I never use.

To be more specific, their tips are marketed to have anti-mushrooming properties. My Kamui soft tip mushrooms more than most tips I've used. It also glazes over easily, and I had to have it trimmed down after a layer fell off.

Their chalk is the messiest I've ever seen, and was really more of an annoyance than an aid in the few hundred shots I shot with it.
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No myth-busting allowed here Trooper......you probably just forgot to properly unleash the binding, metaphysical, and ubiquitous powers of the "Kamui" legend. :smile: J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2we_B6hDrY
 
softshot said:
TRANSLATION:... they still haven't made a chalk that can fix all of MY stroke errors....

p.s. if your game hinges on chalk.. you don't have much of a game
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This was your first post to this thread! Are you calling this your fine contribution to AZ? Before you go off at the mouth again, just stop and look at this and then you may understand where we are coming from! This is you helping someone? Where did the the op to this point do any whining? Looked like someone just trying to see if anyone else had this same problem he did. IMO it looks like you just like to put post out for something to do.

Fine contribution Sir, fine job!
 
BigDon said:
Tom, I think we would all agree 100% on what your saying and really your stating the obvious! His question was why? Why could he do this before and not now? Why would it last this amount of time before but now it wont? Why would you always get 60,000 miles out of your tires but now the same brand only last 30,000 miles? He is not looking excuses or free chalk or anything else but a reason why. Everyone knows you should chalk often or miscues are likely to happen. He is just trying to get an answer as to why things have changed.
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Don,

If I read it right this time it could be the specific gravity of the binder used to hold the chalk togeather floating up or flowing down changing the physical properties.

It would be that same binder that would hold the chalk to the tip.

I am only hoping that people don't get in the habit of not chalking.

For like $30.00 I think I would send it back where I bought it, get a refund and let them figure it out. According to the first post it is happening to a friend of his as well so I would say something needs fixing.
 
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