Power Stroke Drill.

td873 said:
Table:
  • 9' Brunswick Medalist
  • Simonis 860
  • Aramith Pro Balls
  • Triple shimmed pockets [2 balls will not fit]
Set up:
  • I didn't notice the 3 ball in the middle of the table, so I set this up just slighlty different. I put 3 balls on the end rail. If I didn't score a 10 or 20, I just gave myself 3. Oh well.
  • Object ball was just short of being the third ball out. That is, it was 2 full balls, and most of the third ball off the rail (about 1/32-1/16" from being 3 full balls out). Just a little harder than you diagrammed, but only marginally so. I marked this spot with a paper reinforcement.
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  • I only shot one side, as I started to lose focus.
  • I didn't think it was that tough of a shot really, so I shot this with my jump break cue ;)
  • turns out it is somewhat difficult on my table.
I shot this for 15 minutes which was right at 40 shots. [Video was rolling the whole time as well].

Results:
  • 4 twenties
  • scored 10 points 7 times (one was sooo close to a 20! it just feathered the ball)[if it was on line to hit the ball, but stopped just short, I still counted this as a 10]
  • pocketed the ball and got a "bad" score 11 times (i.e., gave myself a 3)
  • missed 18 times (2 quite badly - including a miscue)
But of the 18 I missed, I drew 11 of them into the "20 zone." Many of these 11 would have scored on a friendlier table, but my pockets are so tight that the shots just jawed and bobbled out. In fact, on a friendly table, I would be worried about scratching in the side pocket, as even on my table I was able to hit the side pocket point a few times.

So officially my score was 183 in 40 shots (15 minutes). Which "equates" to around 366 for 30 minutes. I figure I would have at least another 200 points on a table with bigger pockets. But c'est la vie!

Percentage-wise:
10% was a 20
17.5% was a 10
27.5% was a 3
[55% make percentage]
45% missed.
Pocket normalization (adjusting for bigger pockets ;)): +20% lol!

I'll give away the "secret" if anyone wants to learn this shot. And I'll post the video of all 40 shots if anyone really cares to see it. I was kinda bored watching it, and I was shooting, lol.

-td

[edit: FWIW, on a table with huge pockets you can actually scratch in the top pocket with draw on this shot. Same goes for "normal" talbes if you move the object ball out about 1/2 more ball-width...]
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Thomas,
I failed to reply to your post. My apology.

That is some great shooting.

If you still have the video and the "secret" to share, I would love to hear it and see it. FTR, I know from previous information and what others have said about you and believe everything you have said.

4- 20's is simply fantastic.

Today, I just happened to show the shot to a friend who promised that he could regularly make the shot and would often scratch in the corner pocket (a 20+ ). He says he would do it using low left. He didn't have his cue with him and I told him to call me when he can make a 20 on our Diamond Tables at Buffalo Billiards and he promised it would be no trouble.


Thanks,
JoeyA
 
tap tap tap...

great shooting TD..... that's a TIGHT table!

I finally am getting my table recovered this week, and I don't have to look at the drill path from all my tries!! :rolleyes:

Next time I am on a diamond 9"..... I am going to try it there though. NO MORE on my home table. :smile:

Come on Joey.... move the CB closer to the OB along the sight line.... I want to hear that you DID IT!!!!!!!!!!

td
 
grindz said:
great shooting TD..... that's a TIGHT table!

I finally am getting my table recovered this week, and I don't have to look at the drill path from all my tries!! :rolleyes:

Next time I am on a diamond 9"..... I am going to try it there though. NO MORE on my home table. :smile:

Come on Joey.... move the CB closer to the OB along the sight line.... I want to hear that you DID IT!!!!!!!!!!

td
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I'm a bit of a masochist myself so I'm going to try a little left spin combined with the "masse draw". :D

I may have to go over to Banger City and use their tables for this shot to snag a 20. :smile:

JoeyA
 
JoeyA,

this is a fantastic drill, I'm going to go play with it tomarrow, i cant now(much as I want to).

One thing comes to mind for me right away before I attempt this is what cue i'm using, I wouldnt think I could get nearer to the top points(according to your scoring system) as I could with some other cues I have with a softer hit. With a OB-1 shaft I think I would score real high as I can get alot of juice on the CB.


I dont believe for a minute Donnie Mills isnt getting big points here, he plays so good, but then he never leaves himself tough-like Buddy he awalys seems to have easy straight foward shots. He is a great player for sure!!! my $$$ is on him when he matches up.

thanks for sharing this drill, its a great and fun one for sure, i took a ton of Nitro for my heart and am light headed, with a headache now so I cant play. Even though I'm not a great player I bet I can get the 20 point score now and then.
 
Thank you for the great drill. It is very challenging and I will be happy to give it many hours to get the best possible result. I hit a few 1 points but when the path is for 10 or 20 I can not get the white in the box.
Can't wait to try again tonight :smile:
 
Diamond Billiards 9 Foot Tables.

Matya said:
Thank you for the great drill. It is very challenging and I will be happy to give it many hours to get the best possible result. I hit a few 1 points but when the path is for 10 or 20 I can not get the white in the box.
Can't wait to try again tonight :smile:
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Don't worry. Most of the yanks can't get the 10 or 20 either. Maybe they can make a 20 if they have tables that cooperate. :D (I'm just jealous of any who can score a 20, that's all. :smile: )

Good luck,

JoeyA (Diamonds are a "cheating the pocket's" worst enemy.) :grin:
 
The secret lies........

Matya said:
Thank you for the great drill. It is very challenging and I will be happy to give it many hours to get the best possible result. I hit a few 1 points but when the path is for 10 or 20 I can not get the white in the box.
Can't wait to try again tonight :smile:
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In moving the CB up along the sight line to where you CAN make it. A touch of outside will pay big dividends to earn you 20's. If you start one diamond away from the OB and you have any kind of draw stroke you will eventually if not immediately see success or close to it. To scratch in the back corner the outside english is not mandatory from up there, but it helps you to come close to the long position if you hit it marginally and catch the long rail.

Try that and gradually move back with the CB, and let us know your results. Some of the posters on this thread are WAY too stubborn to try the easier shot first ;) (you know who you are) but that is the key to successfully engraining this shot into your reportoir IMO and muscle memory.

WARNING.........This shot can be addicting, and may be hazardous to pristine felt!!! :rolleyes:

td
 
what if you draw it and it hits the 5 ball without touching any rails...is this good???
 
smackmac said:
what if you draw it and it hits the 5 ball without touching any rails...is this good???
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Yes, that is very good, especially on a Diamond 9 footer. (You would actually be considered a pool god.)
JoeyA
 
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skor said:
Here is another great stroke drill.
Pocket the object ball in the corner pocket and send the cue ball 3 rails for position.
Should be practiced on a 9ft table.
You can make it harder by moving the OB to the second diamond.

NO SIDE SPIN ONLY TOP SPIN


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no this is relatively hard for me,good equipment and I'm fine with it
 
skor said:
Here is another great stroke drill.
Pocket the object ball in the corner pocket and send the cue ball 3 rails for position.
Should be practiced on a 9ft table.
You can make it harder by moving the OB to the second diamond.

NO SIDE SPIN ONLY TOP SPIN


drill.jpg
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Maybe I'm better than I think I am but this one is simple. I don't see what the challenge is here?
MULLY
 
Joey, what I see in your diagram is more of a "How good do you play position" shot than super stroke. Getting the ball back there in those areas isn't too tough. 3 balls off the rail is plenty of space to draw that ball back. Getting them exactly where you want them is the challenge.
MULLY
I'm going to try this tonight to make sure I'm looking at it the right way though. As it's described, and as I'm picturing it, it doesn't seem over my head.
 
mullyman said:
Joey, what I see in your diagram is more of a "How good do you play position" shot than super stroke. Getting the ball back there in those areas isn't too tough. 3 balls off the rail is plenty of space to draw that ball back. Getting them exactly where you want them is the challenge.
MULLY
I'm going to try this tonight to make sure I'm looking at it the right way though. As it's described, and as I'm picturing it, it doesn't seem over my head.
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COOL!
Let me know how many 20's you make and on what type of table you do this on. Seriously, there is no one in our pool hall that has been able to score a 20 and that's with lots of multiple tries. We play on older Diamond tables but we can't score a 20 because none of us can play a lick. :o

Grindz has got it down pat. :D

JoeyA
 
I just got home from the poolhall. Got in the best game I've had in a year! Guess what my first shot was? Yep, your shot, but a little harder. I jacked up to draw the cb, and actually scratched in the corner! (top left corner past the 7 in the diagram) Don't know as I could do it again, but it is possible.
The one was only about a ball and a half off the rail.
edit: 9' Gold Crown III.

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Neil said:
I just got home from the poolhall. Got in the best game I've had in a year! Guess what my first shot was? Yep, your shot, but a little harder. I jacked up to draw the cb, and actually scratched in the corner! (top left corner past the 7 in the diagram) Don't know as I could do it again, but it is possible.
The one was only about a ball and a half off the rail.
edit: 9' Gold Crown III.

CueTable Help

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Yeah! You're right, Neil. :barf::barf::barf::thud:
JoeyA
 
It looks like td873 is the only one to have video camera rolling when he scored some 20's. I know he is a good shooter and don't doubt his word for a minute.

I sure would like to see someone playing on a DIAMOND 9 footer make a couple of 20's, so I could obtain the confidence that it can be done without masse.

LIL john claims it is easy but then posts a three railer that most anyone could make. Lil John, me thinks like pulling your leg.

Even Grindz hasn't done this shot on a DIAMOND 9 FOOTER. :eek:

In fact, I think I am getting lost between this thread and the other one.

HAS ANYONE MADE THIS SHOT, SCRATCHED OR EVEN SCORED A MEASLY 20 ON A 9 FOOT DIAMOND TABLE?

The only difference between the Diamond Table and the Brunswicks that might affect the shot are the rail heights and sensitivity but if the cue ball doesn't touch the side rail, there should be no difference.

Maybe some of you guys can make the shot because of a lack of humidity. Yeah, that must be it! It can't be my weak, errant stroke. :D

Another thing, you know it could be the stick. Some cues weight wise, taper wise or otherwise can perform certain shots better than others. Yeah, that must be it. It can't be me. :D
JoeyA
 
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Thought I'd bump this old thread back up for kicks. I was banging balls around tonight and tried Joey's drill a few times. It is still a good one to work on!!

td
 
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