Power Stroke Drill.
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jasonlaus said:
That's it! I'm going back to practicing this shot. Sorry I fell off of this thread that I started. :embarrassed2: I'm glad some of you had fun trying this shot and I'm very glad that Grindz and others noticed that trying this shot will make you have confidence in other shots not quite so difficult.
Kudos to all of you that have put in the time trying the shot. You've motivated me to go back and practice it some more.
Jason, I think I was reading between the lines and Samiel wants to bet a croaker that he can score more points that me on this drill. :wink2: :woot:
JoeyA
stumpie71 said:
It sounds like you have some outside on it and it is masseing from the initial contact and making another contact with the side rail, if I'm understanding what you've described. It may be incidental to the contact (collision induced) or a miss hit. I myself hit the shot with outside, although when shooting the longer shot from the spot it can be difficult to pot it given the speed, deflection, sqwerve, and throw. It helped me to move closer to the OB along the line from the spot and work my way back to the spot. FWIW
Good luck.
td
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About 20 shots later...
My best stroke is about 35 years ago but I just tried the shot on an 8 footer.
My last shot sent me back to the computer. A little experimenting and I found that with centerball low, the cue ball drew back and almost pocketed hitting the corner of the pocket on the 5 ball side. Another inch toward the pocket and it would have gone without hitting the side rail on the way back. Out of about 20 shots my next best was half way between the 5 and the pocket.
I was taught a stroke shot over 45 years ago that can make you plenty betting either that you can make it or that the opponent can make the shot.
I have found that even the best players will not attempt the shot (for fear of embarrassment?). If I can learn how to diagram shots I will post it. I will try to describe the shot which in theory sounds easy. Freeze two balls on the same end rail about 6 inches in from the corner pockets. One on each end. Freeze the cue ball between the two, shooting either ball in drawing the cue ball back along the rail to make the ball behind the cue ball. Not once have I seen it made for the money. I could make it about 2 of 3 times. My mentor could make it almost every time, only missing to build up the suspense.
My best stroke is about 35 years ago but I just tried the shot on an 8 footer.
My last shot sent me back to the computer. A little experimenting and I found that with centerball low, the cue ball drew back and almost pocketed hitting the corner of the pocket on the 5 ball side. Another inch toward the pocket and it would have gone without hitting the side rail on the way back. Out of about 20 shots my next best was half way between the 5 and the pocket.
I was taught a stroke shot over 45 years ago that can make you plenty betting either that you can make it or that the opponent can make the shot.
I have found that even the best players will not attempt the shot (for fear of embarrassment?). If I can learn how to diagram shots I will post it. I will try to describe the shot which in theory sounds easy. Freeze two balls on the same end rail about 6 inches in from the corner pockets. One on each end. Freeze the cue ball between the two, shooting either ball in drawing the cue ball back along the rail to make the ball behind the cue ball. Not once have I seen it made for the money. I could make it about 2 of 3 times. My mentor could make it almost every time, only missing to build up the suspense.
grindz said:Get out your scuffer.......
I've still got the permanent markings on my table after about 2 weeks on this one!!!!!
Note to ALL...... BEST to use someone elses equipment!! :wink:
td
I still cannot score a 20 pointer. I am now using a 314-2 predator shaft on my Bender cue and despite my best efforts I couldn't even hit the ball closest to the side rail. I hit most of the time between the two diamonds. What was funny, is that I pocketed the object ball on almost every shot. I only tried about 20 shots tonight because people were looking at me like I had lost my mind. :smile:
JoeyA (couldn't buy a 20)
Move up 2 diamonds.......( or 3 )
i.e. perpendicular to the side pocket, on the sight line.... make it from there and move back incrementally.... at least that's how I found it to be the most successful. You will see the line arcing from the ball after you have made it a few times (many) and then your mind gets a good picture of what is supposed to happen.... then put it on autopilot...:smile:
NOT that I can tell you anything you don't already know!
p.s. The only reason I still like to keep at it is because YOU said it wasn't supposed to be makeable..:smile: :smile: :smile: I'm a masochist!!
td
JoeyA said:
i.e. perpendicular to the side pocket, on the sight line.... make it from there and move back incrementally.... at least that's how I found it to be the most successful. You will see the line arcing from the ball after you have made it a few times (many) and then your mind gets a good picture of what is supposed to happen.... then put it on autopilot...:smile:
NOT that I can tell you anything you don't already know!
p.s. The only reason I still like to keep at it is because YOU said it wasn't supposed to be makeable..:smile: :smile: :smile: I'm a masochist!!
td
Joey, I don't have access to a 9' table right now. But from shooting shots like this, the 'trick' is not much forward speed at all. But a LOT of spin on the cueball. Outside english can help if the cb touches the rail. But the big thing is just the draw. I put this shot in the 'finesse' category of shots. It's not your normal draw stroke.
Try holding the cue real lightly, and put a lot of wrist snap into it. Like Grindz did, start out closer, and work your way back.
Try holding the cue real lightly, and put a lot of wrist snap into it. Like Grindz did, start out closer, and work your way back.
JoeyA said:
I don't pretend to have the stroke you do Joey!
In fact, I've yet to try this shot yet, but I'm sure I'll pocket the object ball about 2 out of 10 times. I'll have to try this shot out on a Diamond when I get the chance and let you know what my results are as well. At the DCC we can have a challenge in the AZ/OP room against all the other AZers in a mini if you like... we can both post $50 so the winner can get some cash!
Samiel said:I don't pretend to have the stroke you do Joey!
I'll have to try this shot out on a Diamond when I get the chance and let you know what my results are as well. At the DCC we can have a challenge in the AZ/OP room against all the other AZers in a mini if you like... we can both post $50 so the winner can get some cash!
We'll just have to have another AZ Challenge and let whoever shows up that wants to try the shot take a crack at it and the challengers can put up their own money. :thumbup: See you there.
JoeyA (might get up the courage to take a chance at it)
Table:JoeyA said:
- 9' Brunswick Medalist
- Simonis 860
- Aramith Pro Balls
- Triple shimmed pockets [2 balls will not fit]
- I didn't notice the 3 ball in the middle of the table, so I set this up just slighlty different. I put 3 balls on the end rail. If I didn't score a 10 or 20, I just gave myself 3. Oh well.
- Object ball was just short of being the third ball out. That is, it was 2 full balls, and most of the third ball off the rail (about 1/32-1/16" from being 3 full balls out). Just a little harder than you diagrammed, but only marginally so. I marked this spot with a paper reinforcement.
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- I only shot one side, as I started to lose focus.
- I didn't think it was that tough of a shot really, so I shot this with my jump break cue
- turns out it is somewhat difficult on my table.
Results:
- 4 twenties
- scored 10 points 7 times (one was sooo close to a 20! it just feathered the ball)[if it was on line to hit the ball, but stopped just short, I still counted this as a 10]
- pocketed the ball and got a "bad" score 11 times (i.e., gave myself a 3)
- missed 18 times (2 quite badly - including a miscue)
So officially my score was 183 in 40 shots (15 minutes). Which "equates" to around 366 for 30 minutes. I figure I would have at least another 200 points on a table with bigger pockets. But c'est la vie!
Percentage-wise:
10% was a 20
17.5% was a 10
27.5% was a 3
[55% make percentage]
45% missed.
Pocket normalization (adjusting for bigger pockets
): +20% lol!I'll give away the "secret" if anyone wants to learn this shot. And I'll post the video of all 40 shots if anyone really cares to see it. I was kinda bored watching it, and I was shooting, lol.
-td
[edit: FWIW, on a table with huge pockets you can actually scratch in the top pocket with draw on this shot. Same goes for "normal" talbes if you move the object ball out about 1/2 more ball-width...]
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skor said:Here is another great stroke drill.
Pocket the object ball in the corner pocket and send the cue ball 3 rails for position.
Should be practiced on a 9ft table.
You can make it harder by moving the OB to the second diamond.
NO SIDE SPIN ONLY TOP SPIN
Try that drill with the OB on the diamond next to the side pocket.
Or extra credit, use draw come straight across then it spins back towards the same spot.