Help with a legal situation, how to fix this?? Az'ers i need your advice?!?!

This is really getting out of hand. Six months ago he was here asking for used cloth so The Boys and Girls Club could make projects to make and sell. I paid $40 shipping to send him all the cuts I have. There IS a Boys and Girls Club involved, he IS trying to do the right thing, he IS trying to help them, and he IS just trying to do the right thing here. I guess 'no good deed goes unpunished', right, Mike? Don't worry about this crap. Keep your focus on the kids, get this cleaned up, and let me know if I can help with anything else.

David Smith
Lock Ness Monster

FWIW, recovered 2 bumper pool tables at the local Boy's and Girl's Club recently in White City, OR. Replaced a bunch of bumpers and balls. Haven't been paid. Won't call and don't care. Move on.

And then comes here, makes a big ole deal out of a very simple problem. Turns it into drama queen time, and looks for others to agree with him.

I'm all for doing good things for boys and girls clubs. Shoot even Cocobolo Cowboy has been known to do good things for kids.

Unfortunately doing good things for kids, doesn't give you a pass on all the other choices in your life does it?
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you considered donating them doesn't make it right. You are knowingly trafficking in illegal copies. Send the DVDs back and wash your hands of it. You're both wrong, the guy who sold them to you and you for accepting them.

You're not going to get prosecuted. Put them in a box and send them back and the deal is done.

Then as pennance you should go to the local kids community center and fix their pool tables and make sure that they have good equipment and you can donate some time to give lessons or run tournaments.
 
word on the street is the fibbies are putting extra detectives on this case...they got em working in shifts now.
 
Hello Mike,

You asked for "advice" and "info or input" on this matter and the AZ community has responded. I think you are obliged to thank everyone for their advice and explain your intentions going forward. Are going to send the man his DVDs?
 
walks like a duck, talks like a duck, . . .

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you considered donating them doesn't make it right. You are knowingly trafficking in illegal copies. Send the DVDs back and wash your hands of it. You're both wrong, the guy who sold them to you and you for accepting them.

You're not going to get prosecuted. Put them in a box and send them back and the deal is done.

Then as pennance you should go to the local kids community center and fix their pool tables and make sure that they have good equipment and you can donate some time to give lessons or run tournaments.



Hello John, couldn't resist having all of these other accounts to use? :grin:

Hu
 
Hello John, couldn't resist having all of these other accounts to use? :grin:

Hu

Hello sir,

Would you like to talk to me? Send me your information via PM and we can establish a relationship. My comments were directed at the situation presented by the person who started the thread and only pertaining to the illegality of the videos. Has nothing to do with pool.

I don't believe that you and I have ever had any interaction but if you would like to say something to me outside the forum then we can talk on the phone.

If you have something to say to John then you can contact him directly through our website and by using his direct email jb@jbideas.com
 
same ol' same ol'

Hello sir,

Would you like to talk to me? Send me your information via PM and we can establish a relationship. My comments were directed at the situation presented by the person who started the thread and only pertaining to the illegality of the videos. Has nothing to do with pool.

I don't believe that you and I have ever had any interaction but if you would like to say something to me outside the forum then we can talk on the phone.

If you have something to say to John then you can contact him directly through our website and by using his direct email jb@jbideas.com


you have been fishing for that information for years.

you still won't get it!

A minor question:
Why do "you" and "your brother" sometimes spell Caplin with a "C" and sometimes with a "K"? I guess these things can get confusing!

Hu
 
You think YOU may be in BIG trouble with black-market DVDS? What about ME?

I once tore the tag off a mattress!!!! That is a FEDERAL CRIME!!!!

Please don't out me when you are down at the task force confessing to the DVDs.
 
you have been fishing for that information for years.

you still won't get it!

A minor question:
Why do "you" and "your brother" sometimes spell Caplin with a "C" and sometimes with a "K"? I guess these things can get confusing!

Hu

Well actually sir, or maam, I don't need or want your information. unless you want to talk to me. I'd like a chance to sell you a case but otherwise don't really need to know anything about you.

My brother has always spelled the name as Kaplan which is how my father spells it. I have never known him to do it any differently. Why I use alternate spellings is my private business which is on a need-to-know basis and you aren't on the list of people needing to know. However it's not an insidious reason and I would tell you were we to have a phone conversation. There is simply no reason to speak of personal affairs on an open forum.

Hope you have a good day.
 
You think YOU may be in BIG trouble with black-market DVDS? What about ME?

I once tore the tag off a mattress!!!! That is a FEDERAL CRIME!!!!

Please don't out me when you are down at the task force confessing to the DVDs.

Your A$$ is going to jail!!

As to the DVD's....send them back. You don't know any of the circumstances of how/when/where/if they were illegally copied, etc. You said he told you they were copies before he sent them, so you were willing. If you have already made copies for yourself, just send them back. You took his money back, didn't you.

Stealing photos off another site or person's listing and using them without the proper release/authorization is basically the same offense.

Joe
 
I find this thread a fascinating commentary on the space between law and morality.

Mike, you seem to find more space there than most.
 
Donkey Mike:

I’m not an attorney and what I can see by all the other posters is that they aren’t either. The advice given should be probably taken as such. If you want to stay within the guidelines of the law maybe you should present your situation to the U.S. Attorney General and both State Attorney Generals involved. Hey, this way you can stay on top of the “long arm of the law”.



Gerry S.
 
Donkey Mike:

I’m not an attorney and what I can see by all the other posters is that they aren’t either. The advice given should be probably taken as such. If you want to stay within the guidelines of the law maybe you should present your situation to the U.S. Attorney General and both State Attorney Generals involved. Hey, this way you can stay on top of the “long arm of the law”.



Gerry S.

I'm in complete agreement! Maybe if something as important as this gets in the news, they will forget all about the "Fast and Furious" gun-running operation. Finally, pool will get some needed exposure.
 
I always have a great day

Well actually sir, or maam, I don't need or want your information. unless you want to talk to me. I'd like a chance to sell you a case but otherwise don't really need to know anything about you.

My brother has always spelled the name as Kaplan which is how my father spells it. I have never known him to do it any differently. Why I use alternate spellings is my private business which is on a need-to-know basis and you aren't on the list of people needing to know. However it's not an insidious reason and I would tell you were we to have a phone conversation. There is simply no reason to speak of personal affairs on an open forum.

Hope you have a good day.


I always have a great day when I'm leading a donkey without any string!

Should be an entertaining story why brothers all change their name and why their brother can't remember how to spell the new name, however it isn't interesting enough to hand you/john the information that has been sought unsuccessfully for years!

Y'all can call me Hu. Aside from anything else, I can spell it the same all the time. My brother can spell it too. He can even spell my last name! :wink:

Hu
 
Here is what I have concluded/speculated based on all three threads and all Mike's responses. I believe they are in circulation already or have been loaned, sold, or otherwise no longer in his possession. What other possible REAL reason would there be not to have returned them long ago. One poster said just settle on a fair price and send him the $ if you can't produce the DVDs. Great idea. What possible reason would there be to post to these forums, but not communicate with the other party. He has stated previously that there has been no response to PMs, phone calls, or emails. How can ANYONE honestly believe he is bent on a resolution to this "problem", when the other party has been ignored completely. Whatever the content or legalities involved with these DVDs may be, has not been the issue until now. Previously the issue was why was it not taken care of weeks after he has returned. If in fact, these items are no longer available, again, just pay the man!
 
I always have a great day when I'm leading a donkey without any string!

Should be an entertaining story why brothers all change their name and why their brother can't remember how to spell the new name, however it isn't interesting enough to hand you/john the information that has been sought unsuccessfully for years!

Y'all can call me Hu. Aside from anything else, I can spell it the same all the time. My brother can spell it too. He can even spell my last name! :wink:

Hu

Well maam, I see that you seem to be agitated or upset somehow. If you need to continue your obvious history with John by addressing me then do what you feel you need to. I am certain that if John really wanted to find out your contact information then he would have found it out. Perhaps he really doesn't care as much about you as you seem to think he does. That is between you and him though. He reads these forums and so he will get your message whatever it is.

The story of the names isn't interesting at all. But you can be assured that no one in my family forgets how to spell them.
 
john's hand all over these posts

Well maam, I see that you seem to be agitated or upset somehow. If you need to continue your obvious history with John by addressing me then do what you feel you need to. I am certain that if John really wanted to find out your contact information then he would have found it out. Perhaps he really doesn't care as much about you as you seem to think he does. That is between you and him though. He reads these forums and so he will get your message whatever it is.

The story of the names isn't interesting at all. But you can be assured that no one in my family forgets how to spell them.



This post isn't to any of jb's many personalities but to other readers. Read every post of jbcases-mike in this thread. jb's signature is all over them. he can't stand being outed though so the game continues . . . .

Hu
 
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