You finished a rack. The 15th ball is in the kitchen. The cue ball is in the rack. The cue ball is placed on the head spot. Can you shoot at the ball in the kitchen or must you shoot across the head line?
That's the one situation in which the player can shoot "backwards", that is, yes, you may shoot the object ball in the kitchen.
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Just to be clear, there is never a restriction on which ball may be played after the re-rack. In any of the special racking situations that come up the shooter may play any ball as the first shot of the new rack.
you have ball in hand after opponent scratches. you decide to take an intentional foul and leave him as close as possible to the head rail. in a big tournament match i just saw this done and was surprised that the player shot it like an opening lag, he ended not very close to the head rail. is there any reason you could not place the cueball near the head rail and roll it a short distance and never leave the balk area. after all you are shooting a foul anyway by not hitting a ball. what would happen. you are now both on a fouls but your opponent is now in a tough position with cb right by the headrail. if he answers with the same shot he will soon be getting to 3 fouls, loss of 14 and having to break over. is this interesting situation specifically covered in the rules? i bet someone on the 14.1 forum knows about this.
just wondering
jr
6.11 Bad Play from Behind the Head String
When the cue ball is in hand behind the head string, and the first ball the cue ball contacts is also behind the head string, the shot is a foul unless the cue ball crosses the head string before that contact. If such a shot is intentional, it is unsportsmanlike conduct.
The cue ball must either cross the head string or contact a ball in front of or on the head string or the shot is a foul, and the cue ball is in hand for the following player according to the rules of the specific game.
You finished a rack. The 15th ball is in the kitchen. The cue ball is in the rack. The cue ball is placed on the head spot. Can you shoot at the ball in the kitchen or must you shoot across the head line?
You finished a rack. The 15th ball is in the kitchen. The cue ball is in the rack. The cue ball is placed on the head spot. Can you shoot at the ball in the kitchen or must you shoot across the head line?
You finished a rack. The 15th ball is in the kitchen. The cue ball is in the rack. The cue ball is placed on the head spot. Can you shoot at the ball in the kitchen or must you shoot across the head line?
You are correct...... Cue ball must cross the head string in order to shoot the ball in the kitchen.If not, its a foul.
6.11 Bad Play from Behind the Head String
When the cue ball is in hand behind the head string, and the first ball the cue ball contacts is also behind the head string, the shot is a foul unless the cue ball crosses the head string before that contact. If such a shot is intentional, it is unsportsmanlike conduct.
The cue ball must either cross the head string or contact a ball in front of or on the head string or the shot is a foul, and the cue ball is in hand for the following player according to the rules of the specific game.
Different kinds of fouls are treated differently. If you have ball in hand, a requirement of the shot is that you have to shoot over the line and if you don't the ball-in-hand passes to your opponent. The full, official rules are here: http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play and I think they have to be taken all together to really make sense.still wondering why rulemakers have singled out 1 type of intentional foul for ball in hand and stigma of unsportsmanlike behavior. why not ball in hand, hard looks, no christmas cards for anyone making any intentional foul. After all you are just trying to put the hurt on opponent with any of these shots.
my question from before was:
you have ball in hand after opponent scratches. you decide to take an intentional foul and leave him as close as possible to the head rail. in a big tournament match i just saw this done and was surprised that the player shot it like an opening lag, he ended not very close to the head rail. is there any reason you could not place the cueball near the head rail and roll it a short distance and never leave the balk area. after all you are shooting a foul anyway by not hitting a ball. what would happen. you are now both on a fouls but your opponent is now in a tough position with cb right by the headrail. if he answers with the same shot he will soon be getting to 3 fouls, loss of 14 and having to break over. is this interesting situation specifically covered in the rules? i bet someone on the 14.1 forum knows about this.
just wondering
jr
... If you have ball in hand, a requirement of the shot is that you have to shoot over the line and if you don't the ball-in-hand passes to your opponent. ...
Bob, instead of having that as the rule, why not have the requirement be that you have to shoot over the line or you have not yet taken your inning. In other words, if someone did what the OP is talking about, he should just be told, "Sorry, that's illegal. You have to shoot across the line, so try again. If you refuse to do that, you would be forfeiting the game."
Interesting, but if your sitting in your chair and your opponent commits a 6.11 foul (or any foul), why should he get a free do-over rather than turning the table over to you?
Perhaps the table is such that you wouldn't want it.
If someone has ball in hand and touches the ball on a warm-up stroke, it needs to be a foul.Bob, instead of having that as the rule, why not have the requirement be that you have to shoot over the line or you have not yet taken your inning. In other words, if someone did what the OP is talking about, he should just be told, "Sorry, that's illegal. You have to shoot across the line, so try again. If you refuse to do that, you would be forfeiting the game."
I guess that could be the case. But then your opponent could simply take the lag foul as in the OP scenario and in all likelihood leave you worse off anyway than if you had ball in hand. So I think you are still better off even if you don't like the table.