$50,000.00 Match

[JumpinJoe]

You mean he has the guts to play with someone else's money, right? What if the players had to use their own money? (Just theoretical here; how could we tell?) How big of a match could we get using players' money; who could play?

PS: I neglected to read this whole thread; sorry if this was discussed earlier.

correct, hes not bettin his own money. Very few do. But there are a few.
Love when they are always hillerin bet more or bet 10k , 20k, in the meantime they got thier bank accounts closed for insufficient funds transactions, and thier cars have been repoed.
The classy professional pool players.

 

[JumpinJoe]

You mean he has the guts to play with someone else's money, right? What if the players had to use their own money? (Just theoretical here; how could we tell?) How big of a match could we get using players' money; who could play?

PS: I neglected to read this whole thread; sorry if this was discussed earlier.

correct, most are not bettin thier own money. Very few do. But there are a few.
Love when they are always hollerin bet more or bet 10k , 20k, in the meantime they got thier bank accounts closed for insufficient funds transactions, and thier cars have been repoed.
The classy professional pool players.

 

[realkingcobra]

It appears that Scott Frost has the financial wherewithal to do this match and I would guess if Shane chose to, he too, could have the financial wherewithal to do this match.

So our potential match list against Efren for a once and for all KING OF ONE POCKET MATCH goes something like this:
Earl Strickland
Scott Frost
Shane Van Boening
Jeremy Jones
Gabe Owen
Shannon Daulton

(I've talked to Scott and while he wouldn't ask Efren himself, HE WOULD PLAY & HAS THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO FINANCE THE MATCH).

I haven't talked to Efren or any of the other players. If you speak or write to either of these players, please let us know if they are interested in playing Efren for a $50K set and if they have the financial backing to put up $25K for a match of this type.

So far Scott is the only player to say he has the guts and the money to play such a match.

Actually Joey, Efren shouldn't have any problem staking himself in any match for just about any amount of cash...unless he just blew off the money he finally got from the IPT...wasn't that around $500,000?

Glen

 

[Roadie]

Actually Joey, Efren shouldn't have any problem staking himself in any match for just about any amount of cash...unless he just blew off the money he finally got from the IPT...wasn't that around $500,000?

Glen

Efren probably hasn't staked himself since he was 10 years old. Why should he ever want or need to risk his own money? He has a comfortable life, a stable sponsor, and people around the world lined up to back him for any amount against any person.

Also it's a surety that Efren did not receive all of the IPT money. In the Phillipines the sponsor relationship is more like a backer who picks up all the expenses and gives the player a cut of the winnings, a small cut.

In order to know this better look up the recent story where Dennis Orcullo explalns the structure explicitly.

 

[realkingcobra]

Efren probably hasn't staked himself since he was 10 years old. Why should he ever want or need to risk his own money? He has a comfortable life, a stable sponsor, and people around the world lined up to back him for any amount against any person.

Also it's a surety that Efren did not receive all of the IPT money. In the Phillipines the sponsor relationship is more like a backer who picks up all the expenses and gives the player a cut of the winnings, a small cut.

In order to know this better look up the recent story where Dennis Orcullo explalns the structure explicitly.

Most of the players I know, if they had the money, would back themselves rather than give up most of the winnings to a backer. That's what makes SVB so dangerous to play...his heart and wallet is in the game

 

[JoeyA]

You mean he has the guts to play with someone else's money, right? What if the players had to use their own money? (Just theoretical here; how could we tell?) How big of a match could we get using players' money; who could play?

PS: I neglected to read this whole thread; sorry if this was discussed earlier.

You may be right about Scott (but I don't really know) but the same can be said for most players that bet the big bucks. There's an exception from time to time but you can't keep a stake horse out of the mix. :grin:

 

[realkingcobra]

I once played Harry P. 14.1 to 125 points for $8,000. He made it up to 121 points and missed leaving me sitting at 52 needing a doctor and meds to win from there. Had I been playing on someone else's money, I'm not sure I could have picked myself up from the bottom of the barrel and come from behind that far to pull out a win...but because I was playing on my OWN money, I reached way down in my gut and pulled up every ounce of energy I needed to win...and ran 73 and out for the win. I still fill to this day, that was the best pool playing I've EVER done in my whole life. It's not that I didn't wat to win, it was more like....I DON'T want to lose MY money...not THAT much at least!!!

What does a player have to lose when they're playing on someone else's money?...Pride?...commission?

Gambling is Winner takes it all, there's no one splitting the prize money after they meet up later as in tournaments or paid matches

Backers who put up the money for both sides to play against is nothing more than a match up of backers, not the players. Even at a loss, the player who lost in the end...walks away with the same amount of money he had in his pocket....before he played

Glen

 

[Hungarian]

correct, most are not bettin thier own money. Very few do. But there are a few.
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This is why I nominated Jeremy...

 

[JoeyA]

I once played Harry P. 14.1 to 125 points for $8,000. He made it up to 121 points and missed leaving me sitting at 52 needing a doctor and meds to win from there. Had I been playing on someone else's money, I'm not sure I could have picked myself up from the bottom of the barrel and come from behind that far to pull out a win...but because I was playing on my OWN money, I reached way down in my gut and pulled up every ounce of energy I needed to win...and ran 73 and out for the win. I still fill to this day, that was the best pool playing I've EVER done in my whole life. It's not that I didn't wat to win, it was more like....I DON'T want to lose MY money...not THAT much at least!!!

What does a player have to lose when they're playing on someone else's money?...Pride?...commission?

Gambling is Winner takes it all, there's no one splitting the prize money after they meet up later as in tournaments or paid matches

Backers who put up the money for both sides to play against is nothing more than a match up of backers, not the players. Even at a loss, the player who lost in the end...walks away with the same amount of money he had in his pocket....before he played

Glen

Glen
Are you trying to say that you should be added to the list?


BTW, to others, I don't believe Alex would want to play THE KING for various reasons. Every time Efren walks by, Alex is doing one of those low bows and Efren shoos him away with a wave of his hand.:grin:

 

[billycarrelli]

Is there any player in the world who has the guts, money and or backing to play Efren Reyes, one pocket, even-up, a race to 15 for $25,000.00 each?

Efren is aging and his skills aren't what they once were but I am wondering if there is ANY player, anywhere in the world who would belly up to the table for this kind of money, this discipline and with no handicap.

I'm curious if ANYONE thinks that there is a person who has the talent and the money or backing to play Efren for this kind of money in the twilight of his career?

i don't think anyone will bet big against efren but i'm sure joiner will accept a stake horse

 

[JoeyA]

Oh, the pain..............

i don't think anyone will bet big against efren but i'm sure joiner will accept a stake horse

I was a witness to Cliff beating Efren LIKE A DRUM, at one of the LEGENDS OF ONE POCKET tournaments in Baton Rouge, LA several years back. Race to 4.

In the fourth game, Cliff led Efren 3-0 and had 7 balls in the fourth game. Cliff sliced in the 8th ball and the cue went around the table multiple rails as if it were riding on air, only to finally fall into one of the corner pockets at pocket creeping speed.

Others can tell you what happened. It's too painful to talk about, even if you were just a spectator.

 

[Hungarian]

Joey,

I'm getting tired of you cliff hanging all the time.

You start telling a great story and then hold back the crescendo.

You are a story telling bully..

I was a witness to Cliff beating Efren LIKE A DRUM, at one of the LEGENDS OF ONE POCKET tournaments in Baton Rouge, LA several years back. Race to 4.

In the fourth game, Cliff led Efren 3-0 and had 7 balls in the fourth game. Cliff sliced in the 8th ball and the cue went around the table multiple rails as if it were riding on air, only to finally fall into one of the corner pockets at pocket creeping speed.

Others can tell you what happened. It's too painful to talk about, even if you were just a spectator.

 

[naji]

I was a witness to Cliff beating Efren LIKE A DRUM, at one of the LEGENDS OF ONE POCKET tournaments in Baton Rouge, LA several years back. Race to 4.

In the fourth game, Cliff led Efren 3-0 and had 7 balls in the fourth game. Cliff sliced in the 8th ball and the cue went around the table multiple rails as if it were riding on air, only to finally fall into one of the corner pockets at pocket creeping speed.

Others can tell you what happened. It's too painful to talk about, even if you were just a spectator.

i think Efren was sent to looser side, and won all the way and beat Cliff and played final with Shannon but Shannon got him.

hers is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcaI3AWVlFQ

 

[Roadie]

I was a witness to Cliff beating Efren LIKE A DRUM, at one of the LEGENDS OF ONE POCKET tournaments in Baton Rouge, LA several years back. Race to 4.

In the fourth game, Cliff led Efren 3-0 and had 7 balls in the fourth game. Cliff sliced in the 8th ball and the cue went around the table multiple rails as if it were riding on air, only to finally fall into one of the corner pockets at pocket creeping speed.

Others can tell you what happened. It's too painful to talk about, even if you were just a spectator.

And I saw Cliff lose to Efren getting 8:7 at the DCC one year in a gambling session for a lot of money. This was in the early part of last decade.

Mr. Joyner is absolutely one of the best players to ever touch a cue. He is still not on Efren's level although at times he can rise to it.

 

[JoeyA]

i think Efren was sent to looser side, and won all the way and beat Cliff and played final with Shannon but Shannon got him.

hers is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcaI3AWVlFQ

This is a Galveston, TX match that Billy Incardona and I had the pleasure of commentating on, not the Baton Rouge, LA match where Cliff fell off a cliff. Great match nevertheless.

 

[JoeyA]

And I saw Cliff lose to Efren getting 8:7 at the DCC one year in a gambling session for a lot of money. This was in the early part of last decade.

Mr. Joyner is absolutely one of the best players to ever touch a cue. He is still not on Efren's level although at times he can rise to it.

I agree that Cliff, on occasion, can rise to Efren's level.

 

[realkingcobra]

Glen
Are you trying to say that you should be added to the list?

Only if Efren wants to compete at working on pool tables, in which case I could more than likely spot him the 1 through the 9 wild...and the breaks playing 9ball:grin:

 

[JCIN]

Asking a players opinion about playing Efren for $25,000 is like asking me about which Playboy model I would be willing to date. In neither case does the principal have the resources to accomplish the task without serious outside assistance.

Everyone on earth is a dog to Efren in one pocket. Now figure you just need a stakehorse willing to bet $25K to win $17.5K (30% to the player) while taking the worst of it. Yeah that line is going to be long and deep.

The best part is that if you found a whale with gamble to back the game and they win its almost guaranteed they wouldn't get another set so you basically have to take the worst of the game, give up odds on the money and have no chance pf outrunning the nuts to make a big score.

Ain't pool great?

 

[JCIN]

When did they play for $ 50,000 I know they played a race to 23 (i think that was the number) in 2009 Derby City but im not sure the bet. I know Efren had been playing tournament matches since 10am all the way up till 11 pm. Efren didnt want to play Shane that night because Efren was worn out, but he was talked into it. Efren was yawning and rubbing his eyes the whole match. Efren missed makeable 6 balls 3 games in a row and Shane won by 2 games. Comparing 9 ball and 10 ball to one pocket is apple and oranges. In 9 and 10 ball the game is pretty straight forward. All the champions runout great and play safes. In one pocket there are a variety of shot selections at almost every turn at the table. I just think playing one pocket for big money Efren would hit Shane with shots and situations that Shane hasnt seen in his young one pocket career. The bottom line is what do you think are the chances of this type of epic match happening?

There was more than 50 on the line in that match. So when someone beats Efren for $50K its because he was tired and playing a rotation game (that is 5 balls short of his normal rotation game) ? You really believe if Efren didnt want to play he couldn't of pulled his guy aside and said "Not tonight" ? When was the last time Team Efren got even action for a big number with an American player? A decade ago maybe?

It annoys me that to some people the story of that night is not an American kid playing a legend its "Efren was tired". Maybe he was tired because he was in a tough ass game.

I love Efren as much as the next guy and think he is the best to have ever played but for shit sakes he is human...which means even he can just flat lose sometimes. Just like everyone else.

As for do I think this $25K a man game will happen? No.

Do I think you could see these two play a TAR match or some kind of Accu-Stats match with the game being one pocket? Yes.

 

[TheMarsMan]

There was more than 50 on the line in that match. So when someone beats Efren for $50K its because he was tired and playing a rotation game (that is 5 balls short of his normal rotation game) ? You really believe if Efren didnt want to play he couldn't of pulled his guy aside and said "Not tonight" ? When was the last time Team Efren got even action for a big number with an American player? A decade ago maybe?

It annoys me that to some people the story of that night is not an American kid playing a legend its "Efren was tired". Maybe he was tired because he was in a tough ass game.

I love Efren as much as the next guy and think he is the best to have ever played but for shit sakes he is human...which means even he can just flat lose sometimes. Just like everyone else.

As for do I think this $25K a man game will happen? No.

Do I think you could see these two play a TAR match or some kind of Accu-Stats match with the game being one pocket? Yes.

Justin as always a great post! Efren certainly wasn't tired when we first started to play and no one had to twist his arm to get him to play. Once the agreement was set up with the rights to the match he started practicing and was ready to go. Efren came out of the gate and broke and ran at least the first two or maybe the first three games.

I was staking the match and SVB wanted a good chunk of the action himself, pulling out a lot of his own money and putting it in! I am glad I was able to watch this match, and will remember it for a long time.

As far as the match with SVB playing Efren even one pocket, I think that SVB has a good chance to win but is a slight underdog. Obviously staking this wouldn't make too much sense.

To this day the best one pocket I have ever watched was from Efren, he is in my opinion the best player to ever pick up a stick. I watched Efren give Scott Frost 9 to 7 and beat him to death one time at Derby. All Scott had to say afterwards is I can't wait to play an American! Scott has gotten better since and Efren isn't quite at his same level so obviously now it is a much closer game.