Why Pool is devastated by the new Smoking Laws.

Really?
Who that enjoys playing pool, would quit playing just because they had to go outside for a smoke.
I don't believe that for one second.
 
Really?
Who that enjoys playing pool, would quit playing just because they had to go outside for a smoke.
I don't believe that for one second.

I agree. The more likely scenario where it might be true would be if you couldn't smoke in pool rooms but bars or clubs were exempt. Then you would probably lose some of the casual players looking for something a little different to do while they are basically out to have fun and drink.
 
For heaves sake, I've said this before.....

If I"m polite enough to walk the 30 feet to take a dump so as not to disrupt the pool playing experience of the customers around me by not doing it in a pail next to the table, a smoker can walk 30 feet in the other direction and smoke to his delight outside the front door.

You're making the assumption the majority of the people playing pool at a bar or billiards room are hard core dedicated pool players. Keep in mind you're dealing with a business where the fixed cost is relatively high making volume everything. Losing just 5 to 10% of your business can be devastating. Lose 20% of your volume and you're probably out of business.

Given time, a new market may emerge and could even be bigger (attracting non smokers, families, etc.). I'm guessing in many if not most cases, these billiards halls will have to do some remodeling in order to attract much of that market share, which requires money. The other key words are "given time". What does the business owner do to survive until these "new Customers" start coming in? The transition certainly won't be instantaneous.

I remember going into an upscale bar in Lexington, KY soon after the smoking ban was enacted there. It was deserted at a time it had always been packed the numerous times I'd previously been there. I was chatting with the bartender who was a non-smoker. I made the comment about how he must be ecstatic about the smoking ban. He laughed and said absolutely not, while he might now avoid cancer from from second hand smoke, he'd likely starve to death (from lack of income) before the cancer symptoms would even begin.

They established smoking bans in Marion County (Indianapolis) about a month ago. I've noticed a substantial decrease in business at the bar we play APA League at. We played there last week, there is normally a fairly brisk business on Tuesday night because of Karaoke. The only person singing this past Tuesday was the Karaoke Operator, it was practically deserted except for the APA League players.
 
You're making the assumption the majority of the people playing pool at a bar or billiards room are hard core dedicated pool players. Keep in mind you're dealing with a business where the fixed cost is relatively high making volume everything. Losing just 5 to 10% of your business can be devastating. Lose 20% of your volume and you're probably out of business.

Given time, a new market may emerge and could even be bigger (attracting non smokers, families, etc.). I'm guessing in many if not most cases, these billiards halls will have to do some remodeling in order to attract much of that market share, which requires money. The other key words are "given time". What does the business owner do to survive until these "new Customers" start coming in? The transition certainly won't be instantaneous.

I remember going into an upscale bar in Lexington, KY soon after the smoking ban was enacted there. It was deserted at a time it had always been packed the numerous times I'd previously been there. I was chatting with the bartender who was a non-smoker. I made the comment about how he must be ecstatic about the smoking ban. He laughed and said absolutely not, while he might now avoid cancer from from second hand smoke, he'd likely starve to death (from lack of income) before the cancer symptoms would even begin.

They established smoking bans in Marion County (Indianapolis) about a month ago. I've noticed a substantial decrease in business at the bar we play APA League at. We played there last week, there is normally a fairly brisk business on Tuesday night because of Karaoke. The only person singing this past Tuesday was the Karaoke Operator, it was practically deserted except for the APA League players.

Bar business has increased with no smoking here. I dont think there should be a law either way. It is your choice if it is your business. I am a nonsmoker.

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You're making the assumption the majority of the people playing pool at a bar or billiards room are hard core dedicated pool players. Keep in mind you're dealing with a business where the fixed cost is relatively high making volume everything. Losing just 5 to 10% of your business can be devastating. Lose 20% of your volume and you're probably out of business.

Given time, a new market may emerge and could even be bigger (attracting non smokers, families, etc.). I'm guessing in many if not most cases, these billiards halls will have to do some remodeling in order to attract much of that market share, which requires money. The other key words are "given time". What does the business owner do to survive until these "new Customers" start coming in? The transition certainly won't be instantaneous.

I remember going into an upscale bar in Lexington, KY soon after the smoking ban was enacted there. It was deserted at a time it had always been packed the numerous times I'd previously been there. I was chatting with the bartender who was a non-smoker. I made the comment about how he must be ecstatic about the smoking ban. He laughed and said absolutely not, while he might now avoid cancer from from second hand smoke, he'd likely starve to death (from lack of income) before the cancer symptoms would even begin.

They established smoking bans in Marion County (Indianapolis) about a month ago. I've noticed a substantial decrease in business at the bar we play APA League at. We played there last week, there is normally a fairly brisk business on Tuesday night because of Karaoke. The only person singing this past Tuesday was the Karaoke Operator, it was practically deserted except for the APA League players.

Well, it has NOT put a dent here. We had 16 teams on Thurs nights, and still have that but now have a waiting list. And the aame amount of non league players are still there.

Everyone seems to forget the smoking laws going into affect during a bad economy, that pool halls are losing more and more customers to other sports, activities and hobbies, including poker, and that the rent at some establishments are just to high to support folks shooting pool for $4 per hour, and in some cases the pool is free just to entice folks in the door, and this was before any bans were in effect.

Heck, my father's pool room charged $3 per hours from 9am to 9pm, and $5 per hour from 9pm to 9am (it was open 24 hours), and these were the rates at his place over 30 years ago. I know rent has gone up quite a bit since then, but the price of pool really has not. Do the math, and you soon see why some businesses just can't make it.

I'd wager the folks NOT spending any money when they do shoot pool had more affect on the business than any smoking laws. PLaying pool and not buying a beer or a coke or any food is not good for business.....

Heck, not a single complaint from folks in our hall when the ban went into affect. I heard a lot of guys say they smoke a lot less. And I"m sure we can all agree that Chicago is not any more sophisticated then any where else......heck, about 12-15 years ago I recall paying $10-12 dollars in hour to shut pool in the area, espeically on a Fri or Sat night..... you could not swing a dead cat around these parts and find a pool hall that charged that much anymore....it's gone down, because the players have gone down. Heck, I have a pool table in my house, and my son wants NO part of it.... baseball, karate, gun range and video games and he is all over it, but pool, not even the slightest interest. I use to bribe him to shoot some 8ball once in awhile.... but even that doesn't work anymore.

So, you really need to look at the big picutre and not just one aspect of the overall business to why places close or lose business.....just saying..
 
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Hubert Cokes

Tobacco has played a big part in pool's rich history. I always remember Hubert Cokes with his signature "cigar". When something happened to tobacco, something happened to pool. Pool had an ally. We are now living in the post-tobacco pool world. It has not been long enough for the effects to be fully understood.
 

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I haven't been in a bowling alley for years. What have the no smoking laws done to the bowling business?

Dave Nelson
 
Tobacco has played a big part in pool's rich history. I always remember Hubert Cokes with his signature "cigar". When something happened to tobacco, something happened to pool. Pool had an ally. We are now living in the post-tobacco pool world. It has not been long enough for the effects to be fully understood.

Yeah, a big so what ! Smoking was part of the movies but folks still show up in masse for a good movie..smoking is not allowed at baseball stadiums and attendance is up... same with football and basketball.

What about everywhere else that smoking was allowed in or was a part of that really did not have any side affect. Heck, we cannot smoke at softball games either, not in the dugout, but not anywhere in the park, and not a single ripple.... nobody dropped off any of my teams, still hard to get into the good leagues....

So, basically, if folks don't want to play pool cause they cannot smoke... than good riddance... they were not really pool players anyways...

I mean, how many sports in the world can you play, in amatuer and professional leagues and tourneys where you actually CAN drink alcohol before, during and after your match.... geez.... and we can't sell pool to folks and we are gonna blame smoking bans for what ails the sport
:rolleyes:
 
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Doctors used to be able to smoke in hospitals, as did the patients.

Johnny Carson used to smoke on the Tonight Show.

Baseball players used to smoke in the dugouts.

Countless other examples. Doesn't make it right, now that we as a society know more about the harmful effects of smoking.

A poor argument.
 
Doctors used to be able to smoke in hospitals, as did the patients.

Johnny Carson used to smoke on the Tonight Show.

Baseball players used to smoke in the dugouts.

Countless other examples. Doesn't make it right, now that we as a society know more about the harmful effects of smoking.

A poor argument.

I have not made an argument for or against. The big question is "What now?" Recognizing how the new smoking laws have affected the game is the first step in charting a viable direction. I stand by my OP. The business of pool is in big trouble.
 
I have not made an argument for or against. The big question is "What now?" Recognizing how the new smoking laws have affected the game is the first step in charting a viable direction. I stand by my OP. The business of pool is in big trouble.

Ok.

Then what are you supposed to be accomplishing in this thread, when you go about posting pics and stories of people that used to.smoke while playing? Was it "better" then? Can pool not be "good" without smoking?

You claim it is devastated, yet in other threads, you show off how successful your personal room is, primarily due to your dress code.

Which is it? Help us out here.
 
Ok.

Then what are you supposed to be accomplishing in this thread, when you go about posting pics and stories of people that used to.smoke while playing? Was it "better" then? Can pool not be "good" without smoking?

You claim it is devastated, yet in other threads, you show off how successful your personal room is, primarily due to your dress code.

Which is it? Help us out here.

You guys are in denial. An outdoor smoking area is not a replacement for Joe Camel. What replaces Joe? Help us out here.
 
"They" should exempt e-cigarettes. The owner could then make additional money by selling a decent brand of e-cigarette. They work well enough to keep me out of a straight jacket. I have yet to have a non-smoker complain or even be able to detect the "smoke" by anything other than sight. The exhausted vapor disappears quickly.
 
They televise fishing tournaments with huge prizes.
Pools biggest problem is that many
people like to play , not many like to watch.
Pool needs a reality show to jump start it back into peoples minds.
Viffer vs the World or something like that.
Watching 2 great players has never gotten the job done , maybe having a guy that misses and people can relate to a little better would .
Doing the same things they did for the last 60 years and expecting a different result is just stupid.
He seems eccentric enough that people might enjoy it , also he is semi famous from the Poker Shows.
If people will watch Turtle Man catch rodents for 35 dollars I'm thinking they would enjoy watching a pool gambling show where anything might happen.
Remember I had this idea , if it takes off, I want my end!.

Surprised no one commented on this, that's actually a pretty good idea.
 
"They" should exempt e-cigarettes. The owner could then make additional money by selling a decent brand of e-cigarette. They work well enough to keep me out of a straight jacket. I have yet to have a non-smoker complain or even be able to detect the "smoke" by anything other than sight. The exhausted vapor disappears quickly.

While I haven't looked at the written law here specifically, I have seen different people using e-cigs here without complaint. A lady on my pool league teams has one, so I see it regularly.
 
While I haven't looked at the written law here specifically, I have seen different people using e-cigs here without complaint. A lady on my pool league teams has one, so I see it regularly.

they banned e cigarettes from some parts in germany because they can even be MORE harmfull than normal cigarettes. (according to the "scientists" )

ill just have a quick look over the border here. when smoking was banned from bars etc, many went into restauration or went down. others became "private smoking clubs".

the smoking clubs are FULL FULL FULL all over the day...

we get a different smoking law in some some months, i tend to buy some parts of siemens since their perfect draft will have strong sells :grin:

at least here in our little country most of the BAR customers (not lounge pussies or what do i know) are smokers, cigarettes, cigars etc. a wast majority is a little bit older (a 70% smoking generation) but did profit from the boom back than and has lots of money to spend. when they are banned from our bars, they will go down (as will our poolclub, most of them being smokers) and ill have to drink my beer at home. (seen it in belgium, seen it in germany, will se it here now)

honestly you should be more afraid of getting shot than getting 2nd cancer....
 
My Take

Smoking killed pool just like it does people. Who would want their kid going to a smoked-filled pool room.
 
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