The return of danny medina.....

Island Drive said:
Earl ran a ten, and if you put a million on one shot to get that MiL, the pressure is different, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different.
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Earl did not technically run 10 racks, he made several 9 balls on the break and combos. He "won" 10 racks. Medina did not have any 9 on the break wins in his run. Allowing rack your own for Earl there was a mistake, anyone that read 10 minutes about racking can setup a 9 to head to a pocket.
 
Bigtruck said:
Where is that video?

Ray
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I have it
Danny broke & ran 9-racks
Race to 11

They both missed in the first rack, Danny won.
Danny broke & ran 9, score 10-0
Can't remember what happened after the break in the 11th rack.
By then Billy Incardona was just kidding around and not serious at all.
He even attempted to shoot with the butt end of his cue...:smile:
 
hang-the-9 said:
Earl did not technically run 10 racks, he made several 9 balls on the break and combos. He "won" 10 racks. Medina did not have any 9 on the break wins in his run. Allowing rack your own for Earl there was a mistake, anyone that read 10 minutes about racking can setup a 9 to head to a pocket.
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If Earl ''technically'' did not run ten racks, then why did the lawyers that represent the insurance company not win their case. And since when were 9 ball combos not good ''technically'' for a win?
 
I thought the insurance company did win but CJ paid out of his pocket part of the prize? Maybe CJ will chime in.

Island Drive said:
If Earl ''technically'' did not run ten racks, then why did the lawyers that represent the insurance company not win their case. And since when were 9 ball combos not good ''technically'' for a win?
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OUSooner said:
I thought the insurance company did win but CJ paid out of his pocket part of the prize? Maybe CJ will chime in.
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I remember hearing that when the insurance company didn't pay immediately, CJ paid the initial 50,000 dollar installment. (Since the prize was supposed to be an annuity paid over 20 years.) Not sure if that is true, but I do remember someone saying that.
 
Island Drive said:
If Earl ''technically'' did not run ten racks, then why did the lawyers that represent the insurance company not win their case. And since when were 9 ball combos not good ''technically'' for a win?
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A "run out" in 9 ball, you break, make a ball, soot in the rest. Don't know how else you can define what a run out is. Making a 9 on the break is a "shot". We all know that you don't have to have any type of logic when it comes to lawers. I did say that he "won" the games, but he did not "run" them all out. Hanging up a 2-9 combo off the break and shooting that in should not be a "run out" either. If you make a 9 on the break, do you say "I broke and ran that rack"? Or if you make a combo in the first few shots?

In the USAPL Maters division I was in, you do not count a break and run or a table run unless you make 5 balls in. If you break, make 2 shots and shoot a combo, it does not count as a break and run in the stats. Which is what a "break and run" should be. Wins, yes, count towards a string of racks, yes as in "I strung 5 racks together", but should not be a "run out".

And there were issues with the insurance company because of that also I though, but because they did not specify exactly what needed to be done they lost. At least that is what I remember when this whole thing happened.
 
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Jay gives the details in his excellent book.

Sometimes you get a table that is 'friendly' to sending the 9 towards the corners. I think Joe Tucker said this happens when the rack settles with a tiny gap behind either of the balls behind the 9... and then you have to break from the side.

I don't think earl did any rack mechanics to make himself a dead 9. He just got fortunate that this table was doing that. So yeah, he got lots of early 9's and 9 on the break.

The insurance company stipulated that after 5 racks, a neutral racker had to be found. Jay, catching on a little late, stepped in after 6. Then jay racked them himself. But still the table broke friendly, and earl was just running out as needed.

He hit the 10, and then, just to be safe, he actually pulled off an 11th break and run (in case the insurance company got squirrelly about the racking issue).

They still didn't want to pay due to the 9's on the break / early 9's. But it wasn't spelled out in the original contract. So while earl didn't win the whole million, he made a settlement with them for something like... I think it was less than half of that? Can't recall. A significant fraction of it.

Efren has run a 9 pack in competition. In fact I think maybe more than one. That one's on youtube. Only Jay H. and maybe a handful of others have the video of Earl's run.
 
cuesblues said:
I have it
Danny broke & ran 9-racks
Race to 11

They both missed in the first rack, Danny won.
Danny broke & ran 9, score 10-0
Can't remember what happened after the break in the 11th rack.
By then Billy Incardona was just kidding around and not serious at all.
He even attempted to shoot with the butt end of his cue...:smile:
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He hopped the ball off the table on the break (or scratched I can't remember). I just remember talking to him about it a few days after it happened and he said he was in such dead punch if he keeps that ball on the table in that break he runs out the set. Guaranteed.

~rc
 
sixpack said:
He hopped the ball off the table on the break (or scratched I can't remember). I just remember talking to him about it a few days after it happened and he said he was in such dead punch if he keeps that ball on the table in that break he runs out the set. Guaranteed.

~rc
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You're correct
I was going to say that, but I wasn't 100% sure, and I was too lazy to go get the video.
He did jump the ball off the table in the 11th rack
 
cuesblues said:
I have it
Danny broke & ran 9-racks
Race to 11

They both missed in the first rack, Danny won.
Danny broke & ran 9, score 10-0
Can't remember what happened after the break in the 11th rack.
By then Billy Incardona was just kidding around and not serious at all.
He even attempted to shoot with the butt end of his cue...:smile:
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Can I borrow the video sometime, I would love to see it?
 
hang-the-9 said:
I will tell you something about Danny Medina.

He had the absolute worst pool instruction video I have ever seen.

It was like someone made an instruction video using a porn director and actors.

Plus he has or had, the record for the most racks run in a tournament with 9 against Incardona.
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I think Billy Johnson ran 11, and Earl ran over 9 to win the million in a tournament.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Earl did not technically run 10 racks, he made several 9 balls on the break and combos. He "won" 10 racks. Medina did not have any 9 on the break wins in his run. Allowing rack your own for Earl there was a mistake, anyone that read 10 minutes about racking can setup a 9 to head to a pocket.
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Thats not how its looked at. It doesn't matter how many combo's made or 9's on the breaks, it still counts as games run!
 
I haven't seen Earl and Efren's 9-run videos, but I can tell you that there was nothing easy about the 9 outs Danny made.
Long banks into 2-ball combos, ridiculous cut shots, really tough tables, and it was unbelievable to watch.
It was almost as incredible as my 5-0 APA playoff win tonight.
I was running out from everywhere, and ended the match when I snapped in the 8 on the break.
Should get another pin for that one...:smile:
 
Here's a shot of Danny this past weekend at Felt bar in Denver. He placed 3rd. Not bad for a guy 62 and fighting stage 4 cancer :frown:

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The first time I watched Danny in a tournament in Nebraska he broke either 3 or 4 Meucci cues while breaking. He would break and bend them so hard on the table that either the shaft, joint or both were breaking.
I think he was sponsored by Meucci for awhile if I remember right.
 
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