Enough With The Aiming Already

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I don’t know why anyone that’s been on AZBilliards for 6 months or more continues to argue the right way to aim. Just in the last month or so CJ Willy has put up FREE info that’s worth thousands of dollars from the basics of aiming to the pro level ways of tweaking it. If you listen careful on TAR when players are talking about how they aim you can pick up tips that would take years of learning off your game. John S (Mr. 400) said, “if the CB would roll straight w/o deflection this game would be easy”. Corey, “aim with the CB not the stick. Shane uses the end of his stick to aim. Several top players use CTE. Earl spins almost everything in at 100 MPH. The list of ways to aim for the pros goes on and on just like the non-pro.

Players don’t see the angels the same way so use different ways to aim that work well for them. I think it’s a shame that players that have played for years are still worrying how to make more balls. IMO if some players worked more on their stroke, where they are hitting the CB, pre-shot routine, aligning your body and eyes up correctly everytime, position and speed-control, they would be much farter ahead than changing the way they aim every time the wind blows. Johnnyt
 
A good stroke aimed incorrectly does not go in the hole. I still aim incorrectly due to vision issues that cause alignment issues.
You yourself say that Pro's use aiming systems.
Why come in here to cause trouble? :mad:
 
Shaky1 said:
A good stroke aimed incorrectly does not go in the hole. I still aim incorrectly due to vision issues that cause alignment issues.
You yourself say that Pro's use aiming systems.
Why come in here to cause trouble? :mad:
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I did not say aiming systems are a bad thing. Maybe you should try bowling with your vision issues. Johnnyt
 
I don't get it. Was this thread originally posted in the Main forum, and then moved here to the Aiming subforum? If that's the case, I wonder what other "aiming" thread that got mis-posted in the Main forum caused JT to go off?

If, on the other hand, JT posted this thread directly here on the Aiming subforum, that's a whole 'nuther story. The question *then* becomes, "but JT, why are you visiting a subforum you *know* is dedicated to the topic of aiming, only to complain about why people are discussing the topic of aiming (something you can easily avoid by simply not coming here)? Aren't you in essence trolling?"

Just want to make sure I cover all bases,
-Sean
 
Johnnyt said:
I did not say aiming systems are a bad thing. Maybe you should try bowling with your vision issues. Johnnyt
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Well,

from you i would have never expected such a sentence,
that was a brazeness- nothing else.

still wondering...
 
I guess he didn't have anywhere else to go? Maybe his puppy died from being kicked around too much? ;)
 
Well,

don t know Shaky- just really wondering. Til now i haven t seen such a negative posting from Johnny and attacking someone personally like that.

But if you don t care about it, then finally all is fine.

lg
Ingo

p.s. working on your *thing*. Just taking a bit time shaky- much work atm>:)
 
sfleinen said:
I don't get it. Was this thread originally posted in the Main forum, and then moved here to the Aiming subforum? If that's the case, I wonder what other "aiming" thread that got mis-posted in the Main forum caused JT to go off?

If, on the other hand, JT posted this thread directly here on the Aiming subforum, that's a whole 'nuther story. The question *then* becomes, "but JT, why are you visiting a subforum you *know* is dedicated to the topic of aiming, only to complain about why people are discussing the topic of aiming (something you can easily avoid by simply not coming here)? Aren't you in essence trolling?"

Just want to make sure I cover all bases,
-Sean
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I posted this here first. All I'm saying is one aiming system doesn't fit all and you still need to hit a bunch of balls to get the most out of any of them. When I came back to pool after a few strokes about 10 years ago all my feel for pocketing balls was gone. I was diving balls into the rails on a bar table. I was a B player on a 9' and A players on the BB before the stroke. I read about these aiming systems on AZ and bought five or six of them. They ALL worked, some better than others. But they all got you to the pocket on most cuts. After about a year of trying them out and playing about 5 hours a day on average I found I didn't need them much anymore. Before I quit for good 2 months ago I would still use an aiming system for a few shots that would come up. I never said aiming systems were no good in the above thread. As far as telling Shaky to try bowling I supose that was in bad taste. He snapped at me for a negative post that I still believe was not negative, if it is I didn't mean it to be. Johnnyt
 
sfleinen said:
I don't get it.....The question *then* becomes, "but JT, why are you visiting a subforum you *know* is dedicated to the topic of aiming, only to complain about why people are discussing the topic of aiming (something you can easily avoid by simply not coming here)? Aren't you in essence trolling?"

Just want to make sure I cover all bases,
-Sean
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Exactly, why post an "anti-aiming conversation" (not anti-aiming system) in the aiming conversation sub-forum? To me it doesn't make any sense at all. JT I am going to apologize in advance if this comes off harshly but.

Johnnyt said:
.....All I'm saying is one aiming system doesn't fit all and you still need to hit a bunch of balls to get the most out of any of them.
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Really? I am very new and I have heard this 1000 times now.

Johnnyt said:
When I came back to pool after a few strokes about 10 years ago all my feel for pocketing balls was gone. I was diving balls into the rails on a bar table. I was a B player on a 9' and A players on the BB before the stroke. I read about these aiming systems on AZ and bought five or six of them. They ALL worked, some better than others. But they all got you to the pocket on most cuts.
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Now there is a shocker.:shocked2:

Johnnyt said:
After about a year of trying them out and playing about 5 hours a day on average I found I didn't need them much anymore.
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Doubly shocking.:shocked2::shocked2:

Johnnyt said:
Before I quit for good 2 months ago I would still use an aiming system for a few shots that would come up.
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Triply shocking.:shocked2::shocked2::shocked2:

Johnnyt said:
As far as telling Shaky to try bowling I supose that was in bad taste. He snapped at me for a negative post that I still believe was not negative, if it is I didn't mean it to be. Johnnyt
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Yes that was in bad taste IMHO if you tell someone to stop playing pool because they are not skilled enough for you, you are being an elitist snob and that person has every right to tell you to "go ____ yourself" I sure wouldn't have chosen as congenial words as he did; an apology still might be in order, I suck at this game and I have every right to play and enjoy it.
 
He has a point. Aiming is really a very small part in winning pool games.

Unlike golf where you only have to worry about getting one ball in one hole, pool requires you to get a ball in a hole and then position the CB for the next shot. Plus is not always a lab situation for a shot meaning you may have to cue from a very uncomfortable stance.

Any that is still looking for a system to use will only reach a certain level of skill. Until you embrace a system and then put in the time using it, refining it, testing yourself on shot making skills, one will never reach that level where they fear no shot. Where your opponent fears you anytime you get to the table cause they know you can shoot.

See, I do the 3- 5 hours a day 3-5 times a week practice. Unless you put in this amount of time, you will not understand that aiming is not that big a deal and that quality table time and lots of it is the only thing that is gonna improve your consistency in shot making.

If you can not use low inside english on cut shot you have a weakness and it has nothing to do with aiming. You must be able to use any spin on any shot. To get comfortable with this requires table time. Of hitting nothing but shot after shot of various types of inside english or draw or follow and so on.

If you can not shoot one handed shots, you have a weakness and one that can only be corrected with focus practice on shooting one handed and yes, I practice this regularly and has come in handy at times. In the real world of pool, there can be ball positions that shooting one handed is the best option and as well as behind the back.

A shot in pool is a two part deal, putting the OB where you want and also the CB where you want. This requires a stroke, feel that only comes from long hours at the table. It is a disservice to any new player not to express this up front that aiming system is a small part of improving ones game and that the true path to improving is practice and in the case of pool, it requires long, hard practice to really improve.

I did a 2 rail kick the other day in order to win a game of 8 ball and this wasn't the first time either. Thing is, now I'm getting known not only someone that can cut balls, but also can bank and can kick. Why, not because I use GB aiming, but because I start my practice sessions doing 1 and 2 rail kicks for about a hour. I never see anyone where I play do this and when these same people get in a real world game situation that requires a 2 rail kick, I see the fear in their eyes because they do not have a chance at making it. This has nothing to do with the aiming they use, but the lack of practice of multi rail kicks.

Aiming is really a subsystem of the system of shot making. As a subsystem, is plays a very minor role in the overall system of shot making. People that make their living selling aiming systems will always defend and market their products. That is the nature of being in business.

The main point is that placing so much importance on using a aiming system overshadows that it is being able to consistently use your stroke that will win games and not the aiming system.

Of course if appears that some like to keep the conversation all one sided.
 
AIMING is not a big deal, if you aim right, aexecute right, the intended ball, drops in the intended pocket.
 
duckie said:
He has a point. Aiming is really a very small part in winning pool games.

Unlike golf where you only have to worry about getting one ball in one hole, pool requires you to get a ball in a hole and then position the CB for the next shot. Plus is not always a lab situation for a shot meaning you may have to cue from a very uncomfortable stance.

Any that is still looking for a system to use will only reach a certain level of skill. Until you embrace a system and then put in the time using it, refining it, testing yourself on shot making skills, one will never reach that level where they fear no shot. Where your opponent fears you anytime you get to the table cause they know you can shoot.

See, I do the 3- 5 hours a day 3-5 times a week practice. Unless you put in this amount of time, you will not understand that aiming is not that big a deal and that quality table time and lots of it is the only thing that is gonna improve your consistency in shot making.

If you can not use low inside english on cut shot you have a weakness and it has nothing to do with aiming. You must be able to use any spin on any shot. To get comfortable with this requires table time. Of hitting nothing but shot after shot of various types of inside english or draw or follow and so on.

If you can not shoot one handed shots, you have a weakness and one that can only be corrected with focus practice on shooting one handed and yes, I practice this regularly and has come in handy at times. In the real world of pool, there can be ball positions that shooting one handed is the best option and as well as behind the back.

A shot in pool is a two part deal, putting the OB where you want and also the CB where you want. This requires a stroke, feel that only comes from long hours at the table. It is a disservice to any new player not to express this up front that aiming system is a small part of improving ones game and that the true path to improving is practice and in the case of pool, it requires long, hard practice to really improve.

I did a 2 rail kick the other day in order to win a game of 8 ball and this wasn't the first time either. Thing is, now I'm getting known not only someone that can cut balls, but also can bank and can kick. Why, not because I use GB aiming, but because I start my practice sessions doing 1 and 2 rail kicks for about a hour. I never see anyone where I play do this and when these same people get in a real world game situation that requires a 2 rail kick, I see the fear in their eyes because they do not have a chance at making it. This has nothing to do with the aiming they use, but the lack of practice of multi rail kicks.

Aiming is really a subsystem of the system of shot making. As a subsystem, is plays a very minor role in the overall system of shot making. People that make their living selling aiming systems will always defend and market their products. That is the nature of being in business.

The main point is that placing so much importance on using a aiming system overshadows that it is being able to consistently use your stroke that will win games and not the aiming system.

Of course if appears that some like to keep the conversation all one sided.
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What do you mean 'one handed shots'?
 
sfleinen said:
I don't get it. Was this thread originally posted in the Main forum, and then moved here to the Aiming subforum? If that's the case, I wonder what other "aiming" thread that got mis-posted in the Main forum caused JT to go off?

If, on the other hand, JT posted this thread directly here on the Aiming subforum, that's a whole 'nuther story. The question *then* becomes, "but JT, why are you visiting a subforum you *know* is dedicated to the topic of aiming, only to complain about why people are discussing the topic of aiming (something you can easily avoid by simply not coming here)? Aren't you in essence trolling?"

Just want to make sure I cover all bases,
-Sean
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This sub-forum is about aiming - Aiming Conversation, no less. It is not just for those ADVOCATING aiming.
 
duckie said:
See, I do the 3- 5 hours a day 3-5 times a week practice. Unless you put in this amount of time, you will not understand that aiming is not that big a deal and that quality table time and lots of it is the only thing that is gonna improve your consistency in shot making.
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Dude. Are you still an APA SL5? Playing/practicing 3-5 hours a day, 3-5 times a week? After all the time that I've been here seeing you post on these forums?

I don't look down my nose at anyone, because basically I suck. But I'm an APA SL5, and I don't have the attitude of experience and knowledge that you portray here. If you've payed attention, you can see me shoot, and it isn't pretty. (To be fair, that video isn't the best representation of my ability, but still, you should get the point.)

I respect those who have an opinion, and express their qualifications for making said opinion honestly, far more than those who pretend to be more qualified than they appear.

Just sayin'......
 
Johnnyt said:
I don’t know why anyone that’s been on AZBilliards for 6 months or more continues to argue the right way to aim. Just in the last month or so CJ Willy has put up FREE info that’s worth thousands of dollars from the basics of aiming to the pro level ways of tweaking it. If you listen careful on TAR when players are talking about how they aim you can pick up tips that would take years of learning off your game. John S (Mr. 400) said, “if the CB would roll straight w/o deflection this game would be easy”. Corey, “aim with the CB not the stick. Shane uses the end of his stick to aim. Several top players use CTE. Earl spins almost everything in at 100 MPH. The list of ways to aim for the pros goes on and on just like the non-pro.

Players don’t see the angels the same way so use different ways to aim that work well for them. I think it’s a shame that players that have played for years are still worrying how to make more balls. IMO if some players worked more on their stroke, where they are hitting the CB, pre-shot routine, aligning your body and eyes up correctly everytime, position and speed-control, they would be much farter ahead than changing the way they aim every time the wind blows. Johnnyt
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Aiming to far to many people is just another quick fix all tool that will never compensate for their bad basic fundamentals. It's just like people who will buy every new Tip, Cue, or other devise that will immediately make them play better.

Now I am not saying these methods and items are not good, but there is one thing for certain nothing substitutes for practice and especially practicing the right things.
 
manwon said:
Aiming to far to many people is just another quick fix all tool that will never compensate for their bad basic fundamentals. It's just like people who will buy every new Tip, Cue, or other devise that will immediately make them play better.
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That is a partial truth. Joe Tucker, Tony Mattina and others have invented marvelous devices that cure chronic aim problems. Not every struggling player has stroke and stance issues, some have eyesight issues and certain devices are very helpful and then people who have been a bit off to the left of center or right of center or whatever start making a lot of balls.

I appreciate CJ's free aim advice, but there are some systems that have been devised that are quite simple and can aid most players. I'd love feedback on this statement, for example, regarding starting on the "Full Line" to look at the next shot:

Starting On The Full Line - A Lot Of Players/Systems Do
 
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