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the biggest problem with this thread isn't the message that I wrote. it's not how I wrote it...

the problem is that I, as an individual, wrote it.

i know i'm not the only person that feels this way. I know that I'm not the only person that has had these same experiences.

the problem is that if 1 person says it, he's complaining. if a group of people say it...it's a movement.

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Seriously though, what did you expect to get from this post?
 
Guys with half the talent of him put out attitudes like we owe them money just to watch them play...THAT is the problem I have with pool

Kinda sounds like that's the problem you have with those guys.

I know many people that won't play unless you put money up, I don't play with them. But on the other hand, I don't complain about the other good players and real pool halls. Another thing I have found, once you get friendly with those that seem to have attitude or seem like jerks, they will lighten up and shoot for "funsies" with you. I've seen on of the top players in New England play a race to 9 for a $20 with someone, which is almost nothing to them, because they knew each other. Those guys tend to play $20 a game, and hundreds a set.
 
I think you're absolutely right, Abie. I'm an older player now, but when I was younger and hanging out in the pool room, I relied on the older, better players to help me, and they did. They always made time for me. I was hoping that the next generation would do the same for the younger or beginning players.

But just to let you know, it works both ways. Here I am with 30 years of experience and information to share, and younger players in my local pool rooms can't be bothered to even give me the time of day. I used to feel welcomed in any pool room. It was my home away from home, regardless of where I was. Now I feel like a stranger.

What she said! Keep in mind that only a minuscule percentage of pool players read the forums here or even know that AZ exists. I don't agree with everything you've said but if that's how you feel, so be it. Pool ain't for everybody these days, I guess.
 
forgive me for giving the pool community the same sentiment they have given me over the past 3 years...

for 3 years i've been given the big middle finger...i was giving that feeling right back. I'm sorry. that's a serious apology...not a sarcastic one.

If "the pool community" has been "giving you the finger" for 3 years there might be something wrong with you, not them. I have found in life that the guy that says "those people are all a$$____s"; is crazy, stupid, immature, rude or just an all around a$$___ themselves; you might want to check yourself.
 
For those who have been around here for awhile, consider how many likeable people rarely post here any more. Perhaps he has more of a point than some would give credit.

If people keep saying that you are an ass perhaps you should turn and see if you have a tail.
 
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Sorry you feel like that, man.

The truth is, most of this is on you.

If the Sizzler down the road serves you cold moldy steak, do you keep going there for the next three years? If so, do you then say that every steakhouse is horrible?

Read the full post, this is exactly what I'm doing.

There are a lot of clues that you are probably a lot of the cause of this. You say that all these great players are entitled and don't want to play with you? Maybe you are entitled and think you have a right to play with them.

Honestly never looked at it this way, however, i'm not referring to friendly games in the bar, I'm referring to tournaments where anyone is allowed to register.
 
If any pro in any sport thought it was just a game they would not be at the level they are that,, dont let a few bad apples ruin your thirst to become a better players ,, I can name quite a few that play smaller events that are realy nice guys hell they will even play cheap sets and give free advise,, try to get tiger out for a 2 dollar nassa and tell me how that works out for ya,,

Ya there are plenty who dont like leagues Im on that list also but there was a time it served me well but as I grew as a player and wanted to improve my game I thought and now know it held me back , you too may find that out ,, fact is some take it very serious ,, I remember scrathing on a 9 ball at hill hill in a turny snapped my stick and walked out , the guy I played walked out and said relax dude its all for fun,, I looked at him and said I f---k for fun pool is serious , thank god Im not like that now but many many are


Az in like news paper every thing in it may not be to you liking but there is a world of knollage here if you can get past the front page BS to the more usefull reading


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Seriously though, what did you expect to get from this post?

honestly, this is EXACTLY what I was hoping to get from this post :D

don't try to steer the noob in the right direction, just bash him to death and tell him everything he is doing is wrong.
 
Sorry you feel like that, man.

The truth is, most of this is on you.

If the Sizzler down the road serves you cold moldy steak, do you keep going there for the next three years? If so, do you then say that every steakhouse is horrible?

There are a lot of clues that you are probably a lot of the cause of this. You say that all these great players are entitled and don't want to play with you? Maybe you are entitled and think you have a right to play with them.

You name drop one person--Scott Frost (whoever the hell that is). I don't know a thing about Mr. Frost, he may well be a dick. As for splitting quarters, I don't get how that could ever be a problem--either quarters get put into the table or the match doesn't get played. I'm confused.

Maybe I am just lucky, but most everywhere I have played pool people have been, at worst, indifferent. Except, oddly, in the APA where I have seen some of the worst pool behavior outside of frat boys in dive bars.

Maybe you need to look at yourself. Maybe it is how you approach people. Maybe a lot of this is brought on by your actions.

dld

Abie isn't the problem. I have met him a few times, and he has never in the slightest ever been less than a pretty decent person and pretty fun to be around. So maybe everyone should quit busting his balls and proving his point more with every asshole post blaming him for not liking being treated the way he has been. Good players or bad players should get shown the same respect because we are all human.
 
If any pro in any sport thought it was just a game they would not be at the level they are that,, dont let a few bad apples ruin your thirst to become a better players ,, I can name quite a few that play smaller events that are realy nice guys hell they will even play cheap sets and give free advise,, try to get tiger out for a 2 dollar nassa and tell me how that works out for ya,,

Ya there are plenty who dont like leagues Im on that list also but there was a time it served me well but as I grew as a player and wanted to improve my game I thought and now know it held me back , you too may find that out ,, fact is some take it very serious ,, I remember scrathing on a 9 ball at hill hill in a turny snapped my stick and walked out , the guy I played walked out and said relax dude its all for fun,, I looked at him and said I f---k for fun pool is serious , thank god Im not like that now but many many are


Az in like news paper every thing in it may not be to you liking but there is a world of knollage here if you can get past the front page BS to the more usefull reading


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agree 100 percent. my post is more to the pool world in general..."Dear AZBilliards" shouldn't have been the title.
 
that's a fair assumption. I'm not going to do the whole, "if you know me you know i'm a humble nice guy" routine, because after this post NO ONE would believe it.

there are a couple people here that can vouch for the type of person I am...but I understand your assumptions

No need to explain. I'm almost the epitome of what people here like to make fun of. I started in APA at 30 years old, probably 99% of my time(or more) has been on barboxes. Drills bore me to death, can't focus on them. I don't have better players to play against regularly. My most expensive pool item is my Z shaft. I'm having a bar cue two-pieced because I've been playing very well with it. I still play APA.

Many people here will tell you that everything you do is wrong, you'll never improve, yadda yadda yadda. They're wrong.

I think one of the problems is ego. Most people would probably be crushed to know that they're only a 5 or 6 in APA 8b. Then there are plenty more that wouldn't even be a 9 in 9b. There are still many people that are much better, but most of them are just happy to see people playing. Some people on AZB will tell you all about gambling, matching up and everything else, but aren't up there. Keep that in mind and take what people say with a grain of salt.
 
Dear Abie

Thank you for sharing. I just asked for help on the instructors forum and got lots of good sugestions. AzBilliards forum has been a totally positive experience for me. It has done more to make me a better player than anything else. I have bought cues here and other stuff along with acquiring lots of great information that I have taken to the pool room and made good use of. I have went to the Derby the last 3 years and just recently spent 5 days in Tunica. All the pro players I have had conversations with have been very polite and helpful. These are the real pros I'm talking about like Shane, not the wannabes.

Another thing might be the area you play in. I recently became acquainted with a woman from New York that told me she thought she had seen it all till she moved here. I live in the middle of the rust belt. Here pool is a difficult game played by sometimes difficult people. I am saying this in a nice way. My advice to you is hang with a group you are comfortable with. I stay away from people I don't want to be social with. If I have to play them in a match, I say as little as possible. When the match is over I say "good game", shake their hand or whatever, and I'm gone.

There are a bunch of good people associated with pool and some that are not so great, but its really that way everywhere and in everything you do. That's life.
 
Thank you for sharing. I just asked for help on the instructors forum and got lots of good sugestions. AzBilliards forum has been a totally positive experience for me. It has done more to make me a better player than anything else. I have bought cues here and other stuff along with acquiring lots of great information that I have taken to the pool room and made good use of. I have went to the Derby the last 3 years and just recently spent 5 days in Tunica. All the pro players I have had conversations with have been very polite and helpful. These are the real pros I'm talking about like Shane, not the wannabes.

Another thing might be the area you play in. I recently became acquainted with a woman from New York that told me she thought she had seen it all till she moved here. I live in the middle of the rust belt. Here pool is a difficult game played by sometimes difficult people. I am saying this in a nice way. My advice to you is hang with a group you are comfortable with. I stay away from people I don't want to be social with. If I have to play them in a match, I say as little as possible. When the match is over I say "good game", shake their hand or whatever, and I'm gone.

There are a bunch of good people associated with pool and some that are not so great, but its really that way everywhere and in everything you do. That's life.

i need to clarify...AZBilliards is not the problem. The site is a great resource and there are great news articles, helpful people, and great deals to be had here. I love AZBilliards.

The post was mean for the pool community in general...it was stupidity on my part to say "AZBilliards."

I'm all up for a mod editing the title to something more appropriate like "Deal Pool Community," or the like
 
Abie isn't the problem. I have met him a few times, and he has never in the slightest ever been less than a pretty decent person and pretty fun to be around. So maybe everyone should quit busting his balls and proving his point more with every asshole post blaming him for not liking being treated the way he has been. Good players or bad players should get shown the same respect because we are all human.

Really, He came on here telling the forum to GO F*&% there selves.

Everyone deserves the respect that they themselves project.
 
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which is why this post makes SOOOO much sense

Now go and re-read what you wrote in the first place. Before that, I and probably 95% of the people on this forum have never even heard of you let alone wronged you in ANY way. Yet you make a post slamming the community here and then expect respect in return.
 
Really, He came on here telling the forum to GO F*&% there selves.

Everyone deserves the respect that they themselves project.

No, he told certain sections go GFT. When people visit here, many of them play league and see that they're constantly being told, directly or indirectly, that they're chumps, they play #$^@ rules, they suck and so on. WTF do you expect people to say in return?
 
Let me see if I have this straight:

You enjoy pool at the amateur level. You find this site, and it encourages you to take pool more seriously. You do so and you run into some jerks. Then you come back here and you tell a bunch of strangers to go f-- ourselves while you blame "the community" at large for your misery.

And we are supposed to be sympathetic.
 
Now go and re-read what you wrote in the first place. Before that, I and probably 95% of the people on this forum have never even heard of you let alone wronged you in ANY way. Yet you make a post slamming the community here and then expect respect in return.

the last thing i expect from pool players anymore is respect. and yes, most people here don't know me and have not wronged me. but this is bigger than me (and i'm a big guy)

this forum is full of posts raggin on recreational players, players playing with and on inferior equipment. full of people hating on tournaments meant for fun and little added money. look around...it's EVERYWHERE. the pool word is full of degenerate people that do EXACTLY what I'm talking about to other players on a constant basis.

so yes, very few people have wronged ME...but it happens to players like me all the time
 
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