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Ratta said:
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taking accountability is what i'm doing now...so you can tap tap tap all you want.

the fact is that people come into this game wanting to have fun, but the "pool society" tells them that they HAVE to get better...that they should expect to only play on the best tables, that they are entitled to certain rights as a pool player.

our pool society teaches new pool players that recreational players are evil and that you should never want to play in a league that focuses on the social aspect of the game.

how about taking some personal accountability in yourself and welcoming players to the game. sure...everyone talks about it here, but few TRULY do it.

to me your "tap tap tap" is just like those stupid yellow bracelets people wear. It shows you "care" about cancer, but in reality you aren't doing crap to fix the problem

so tap tap tap away...
 
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abie10 said:
This post was addressed to AZ because I'm here...I've had the same discussions with players everywhere...it's meant to be a post to all pool players in general.

i know not everyone falls into this generalization of higher rated players that I have made...but I'm grouping all of them in as one DB group because they do the same to us "lower rated players" as well
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Hypocrisy doesn't help your plight much.

And I could have done without the "GFY". Telling everyone to go F*&% themselves is a quick way to make enemies, not points.
 
abie10 said:
taking accountability is what i'm doing now...so you can tap tap tap all you want.

the fact is that people come into this game wanting to have fun, but the "pool society" tells them that they HAVE to get better...that they should expect to only play on the best tables, that they are entitled to certain rights as a pool player.

our pool society teaches new pool players that recreational players are evil and that you should never want to play in a league that focuses on the social aspect of the game.

how about taking some personal accountability in yourself and welcoming players to the game. sure...everyone talks about it here, but few TRULY do it.

to me your "tap tap tap" is just like those stupid yellow bracelets people wear. It shows you "care" about cancer, but in reality you aren't doing crap to fix the problem

so tap tap tap away...
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Do what the hell you want. YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING YOUR LIFE MISERABLE.

Turn off the PC and go have some fun for Christ sake. Quit whining that everyone is ruining it for you.
 
Cdryden said:
Hypocrisy doesn't help your plight much.

And I could have done without the "GFY". Telling everyone to go F*&% themselves is a quick way to make enemies, not points.
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forgive me for giving the pool community the same sentiment they have given me over the past 3 years...

for 3 years i've been given the big middle finger...i was giving that feeling right back. I'm sorry. that's a serious apology...not a sarcastic one.
 
Cdryden said:
Do what the hell you want. YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING YOUR LIFE MISERABLE.

Turn off the PC and go have some fun for Christ sake. Quit whining that everyone is ruining it for you.
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are you reading everything? that's exactly what i'm doing...i'm not complaining that EVERYONE is ruining pool...just people like you are doing that...
 
abie10 said:
forgive me for giving the pool community the same sentiment they have given me over the past 3 years...

for 3 years i've been given the big middle finger...i was giving that feeling right back. I'm sorry. that's a serious apology...not a sarcastic one.
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Don't be, just do what makes you happy. If you do anything else it's your own damn fault.

There is no way I would spend 3 years of my life doing something that made me miserable. I learned that by being married to my 1st wife. I divorced her, found a great woman and have been happy every since.
 
Playing pool at the upper levels, even mid levels like a B player IS like work. But the fun to me is to play as perfectly as I can. I've never missed a shot and/or lost a match and went back to someplace with worse players and rules and equipment. I've seen people do that, even some so-called serious players. Room A I played in had large pockets, not a lot of good players, I learned to play there. Then me and a friend found out about Room B in Brighton, MA, tight pockets, great shape tables, tons of top players. We went there, and continued to go there, and we got better. The rest of the players in Room A went to the second room once, found out they could not make half the shots that the giant pockets took in their home room, saw players that would beat their skulls in without breaking a sweat and said "this is not for me" and never came back.

It's OK to take "whatever" you get given in the APA and bar tables and casual players, but not for everyone. To be top at anything, even in a local small fish pond, you need to have an attitude of "I'm good, I'm better than you, you better watch out when you tangle with me" or you just end up puking all over yourself if you have a 8 foot shot to make in a hill hill match for 1st place.

If I take a corner in my Toyota, I want it to be the best damn efficient corner every time even if I'm not in the Indy 500, if I work on a computer, I want to make sure that thing is running 10 times better than when I touched it even if I fix a dozen other things the owner did not even know were wrong. Same thing with most if not all of the top pool players, if they miss, they practice till they don't, or at least as best as they could. If they take a shot, they want it to be the best damn shot of that type ever hit on the planet. But some people are not like that, pool or other things are just pastimes. I don't think AZ ruined pool for you, you probably never really wanted to get serious about it to begin with, maybe get better at it, find out about better equipment, but not put in the effort do reach a higher level.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
Playing pool at the upper levels, even mid levels like a B player IS like work. But the fun to me is to play as perfectly as I can. I've never missed a shot and/or lost a match and went back to someplace with worse players and rules and equipment.

It's OK to take "whatever" you get given in the APA and bar tables and casual players, but not for everyone. To be top at anything, even in a local small fish pond, you need to have an attitude of "I'm good, I'm better than you, you better watch out when you tangle with me" or you just end up puking all over yourself if you have a 8 foot shot to make in a hill hill match for 1st place.

If I take a corner in my Toyota, I want it to be the best damn efficient corner every time even if I'm not in the Indy 500, if I work on a computer, I want to make sure that thing is running 10 times better than when I touched it even if I fix a dozen other things the owner did not even know were wrong. Same thing with most if not all of the top pool players, if they miss, they practice till they don't, or at least as best as they could. If they take a shot, they want it to be the best damn shot of that type ever hit on the planet. But some people are not like that, pool or other things are just pastimes. I don't think AZ ruined pool for you, you probably never really wanted to get serious about it to begin with, maybe get better at it, find out about better equipment, but not put in the effort do reach a higher level.
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those are all perfectly valid points that I 100 percent agree with. You decide your own level of involvement.

Don't get me wrong...I would like to get better...I would like to compete at a higher level. I have no problem putting in the work to do it...the problem I have is the attitudes of the "elite" or whatever it is we are calling them. You dont need to crap on people on your way up...you can have that killer mentality when you are playing but still be an ambassador or whatever you want to call it to the game.

Shane Van Boening came to phoenix a few months back and played for money matches against some guys. Afterwards he hung around a while and I got to talk to him and he shared some tips with me. He didn't tell me to go to hell. He didn't ridicule me for being a lower rated player and asking him for tips. He was nice, pleasant and took 20 minutes out of his night to help out a fellow player.

Guys with half the talent of him put out attitudes like we owe them money just to watch them play...THAT is the problem I have with pool
 
Cdryden said:
I wrote that after you went off on Ratta for no reason.
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the biggest problem with this thread isn't the message that I wrote. it's not how I wrote it...

the problem is that I, as an individual, wrote it.

i know i'm not the only person that feels this way. I know that I'm not the only person that has had these same experiences.

the problem is that if 1 person says it, he's complaining. if a group of people say it...it's a movement.
 
abie10 said:
those are all perfectly valid points that I 100 percent agree with. You decide your own level of involvement.

Don't get me wrong...I would like to get better...I would like to compete at a higher level. I have no problem putting in the work to do it...the problem I have is the attitudes of the "elite" or whatever it is we are calling them. You dont need to crap on people on your way up...you can have that killer mentality when you are playing but still be an ambassador or whatever you want to call it to the game.

Shane Van Boening came to phoenix a few months back and played for money matches against some guys. Afterwards he hung around a while and I got to talk to him and he shared some tips with me. He didn't tell me to go to hell. He didn't ridicule me for being a lower rated player and asking him for tips. He was nice, pleasant and took 20 minutes out of his night to help out a fellow player.

Guys with half the talent of him put out attitudes like we owe them money just to watch them play...THAT is the problem I have with pool
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Yeah, but Shane is not an elite player...;)
 
If the attitude of your posts here is representative of the attitude you brought when playing with upper-level players, it's no wonder you had a bad experience.
 
abie10 said:
taking accountability is what i'm doing now...so you can tap tap tap all you want.

the fact is that people come into this game wanting to have fun, but the "pool society" tells them that they HAVE to get better...that they should expect to only play on the best tables, that they are entitled to certain rights as a pool player.

our pool society teaches new pool players that recreational players are evil and that you should never want to play in a league that focuses on the social aspect of the game.

how about taking some personal accountability in yourself and welcoming players to the game. sure...everyone talks about it here, but few TRULY do it.

to me your "tap tap tap" is just like those stupid yellow bracelets people wear. It shows you "care" about cancer, but in reality you aren't doing crap to fix the problem

so tap tap tap away...
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This is not true at all, you only need to get better if you want to, and if you want to play with the better players. Neither me nor most people care if most people think pool = going to drink. What we don't like is when people think that making one ball every 6 tries and making up 20 different rules during each match is what pool is.

If someone from a bar came to play at a "real" tournament, and was making 50% of the shots at most, slamming into the cue ball with no thought of the next shot, moving the cue ball if it was too close to the rail, saying that you did not call touching this rail on the way in, yea, that person will get laughed at and be told the standard rules. If a good player goes into a casual place with one table and a bunch of people yelling and high-fiving each other when they make a ball, he won't say a word to them about how they need to change and be serious about it.
 
abie10 said:
those are all perfectly valid points that I 100 percent agree with. You decide your own level of involvement.

Don't get me wrong...I would like to get better...I would like to compete at a higher level. I have no problem putting in the work to do it...the problem I have is the attitudes of the "elite" or whatever it is we are calling them. You dont need to crap on people on your way up...you can have that killer mentality when you are playing but still be an ambassador or whatever you want to call it to the game.

Shane Van Boening came to phoenix a few months back and played for money matches against some guys. Afterwards he hung around a while and I got to talk to him and he shared some tips with me. He didn't tell me to go to hell. He didn't ridicule me for being a lower rated player and asking him for tips. He was nice, pleasant and took 20 minutes out of his night to help out a fellow player.

Guys with half the talent of him put out attitudes like we owe them money just to watch them play...THAT is the problem I have with pool
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I think you're absolutely right, Abie. I'm an older player now, but when I was younger and hanging out in the pool room, I relied on the older, better players to help me, and they did. They always made time for me. I was hoping that the next generation would do the same for the younger or beginning players.

But just to let you know, it works both ways. Here I am with 30 years of experience and information to share, and younger players in my local pool rooms can't be bothered to even give me the time of day. I used to feel welcomed in any pool room. It was my home away from home, regardless of where I was. Now I feel like a stranger.
 
TSW said:
If the attitude of your posts here is representative of the attitude you brought when playing with upper-level players, it's no wonder you had a bad experience.
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that's a fair assumption. I'm not going to do the whole, "if you know me you know i'm a humble nice guy" routine, because after this post NO ONE would believe it.

there are a couple people here that can vouch for the type of person I am...but I understand your assumptions
 
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