Umm... those who have the credentials to endorse and have done so in the past?
I think he felt he could speak for himself.
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Aiming Systems - The End Justifies the Means
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Umm... those who have the credentials to endorse and have done so in the past?
I think he felt he could speak for himself.
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His "we" could be professionals , your job is to Troll and your a professional at that. You are a ProTroller
Yay, another pissing match. This one is better than pissing match#4023, because this time you guys get to piss all over a professional's thread.
You guys must be jealous that people actually appreciate his time on here. Maybe just maybe you guys can find a way to piss him off, just like you have every other pro that has bothered to come on AZB. When he is gone, we can get the focus back on your self-indulgent arguments that bring you so much personal satisfaction.
Here's your motivation...you've got him staggered a bit:
You guys must be jealous that people actually appreciate his time on here. Maybe just maybe you guys can find a way to piss him off, just like you have every other pro that has bothered to come on AZB. When he is gone, we can get the focus back on your self-indulgent arguments that bring you so much personal satisfaction.
Here's your motivation...you've got him staggered a bit:
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The "Touch" of Inside is not a visual system, it's kinesthetic
The answers to even the most advanced questions can be answered in your hand. The hand connects to the cue and the cue connects to the game and the game is visually perceived by someone''s eyes, or video equipment.
We can shoot shots that will fool your eyes and even your video equipment will have to be in a specific location to pick it up. SO I would suggest not trying to learn the Game of pocket billiards by using your eyes. The key to playing at a high level is in your sense of Touch, USING the visual information generated by your eyes.
The "Touch" of Inside is not just a visual system, it's also kinesthetic, and when you truly start to experience this new "Touch", only then will you understand the system. SOME MORE ABOUT KINESTHETIC SYSTEMS 'The Game is the Teacher'
The answers to even the most advanced questions can be answered in your hand. The hand connects to the cue and the cue connects to the game and the game is visually perceived by someone''s eyes, or video equipment.
We can shoot shots that will fool your eyes and even your video equipment will have to be in a specific location to pick it up. SO I would suggest not trying to learn the Game of pocket billiards by using your eyes. The key to playing at a high level is in your sense of Touch, USING the visual information generated by your eyes.
The "Touch" of Inside is not just a visual system, it's also kinesthetic, and when you truly start to experience this new "Touch", only then will you understand the system. SOME MORE ABOUT KINESTHETIC SYSTEMS 'The Game is the Teacher'
The laws of physics don't change just because you are a pro.
If Willie Mosconi were here posting and spouted some ca-ca, like the best way to hit a shot with the ball frozen to a rail is to hit the ball and cushion simultaneous (in his book), he should be questioned on it.
If Mike Sigel were here posting and spouted some ca-ca, like throw doesn't exist (in BD), he should be questioned on it.
Pros, like most other human beings, come up with what they think are logical explanations for things when they might not understand the science behind what is really happening. It's what our brains do -- try and come up with logical explanation for what happens around us. But often these explanations don't wash when given scientific scrutiny.
*No one* should get a free pass on this. And if CJ or any other pro is so thin skinned that they can't take the give and take that is part and parcel of a discussion forum they shouldn't be here in the first place. Typically problems only really develop when a pro thinks they can't be questioned and invoke ex cathedra. BTW, a sure give away on this is when they start using the royal "we" ;-)
Lou Figueroa
All this "you guys" stuff, trying to group people into "sides", is counterproductive.
pj
chgo
We're trying to follow you Lou, but you're not making any sense.
We're trying to follow you Lou, but you're not making any sense. How could we tell if what you're saying isn't true or has no basis?
We're trying to follow you Lou, but you're not making any sense. How could we tell if what you're saying isn't true or has no basis?
I am new to AZ. I agree, no one should get a free pass. However, reading this and other threads, IMHO, this is much more than a little give and take. Seems like some are more interested in winning an argument.
You are spot on. The argument is the thing, especially in the aiming forums.
Occasionally, civil discussion and debate escape and see the light of day.
the secret to the "Touch"
Some would rather "climb a tree" to avoid trying something new that they don't understand first. And the best things in life can only be understood through experience.
That's ok, my goal isn't to give everyone the secret to the "Touch" ...just those that are READY to explore a new perception of the Game, one that will expand their Limits....that will turn their cue into a "weapon" rather than just a stick. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Some would rather "climb a tree" to avoid trying something new that they don't understand first. And the best things in life can only be understood through experience.
That's ok, my goal isn't to give everyone the secret to the "Touch" ...just those that are READY to explore a new perception of the Game, one that will expand their Limits....that will turn their cue into a "weapon" rather than just a stick. 'The Game is the Teacher'
An Accelerating Stroke is essential for this type of accuracy.
The 3 Part Pocket System creates a pocket "Zone" by using the "Touch" of Inside - An Accelerating Stroke is essential for this type of accuracy.
The accelerating stroke makes the "Touch" of Inside work. If you don't accelerate, you are better off not doing it. I wish you could understand it without doing it, but I don't think it's possible.
For some reason you have to experience this to understand it and I've never trained anyone that is the exception to this rule. Just accelerating with a conventional method is a BAD idea and it leads to amplifying your mistakes. With this method it's essential. It's a totally different way to play pocket billiards than most people are aware of.
You don't have to understand it, you just have to experience it. I know that doesn't make sense, I'm not claiming that it does {make sense}. I'm just the messenger, giving you the messager of how it's done. You'll have to decide if it's right for you all by yourself, no one will ever be able to do it for you. 'The Game is the Teacher'
The 3 Part Pocket System creates a pocket "Zone" by using the "Touch" of Inside - An Accelerating Stroke is essential for this type of accuracy.
The accelerating stroke makes the "Touch" of Inside work. If you don't accelerate, you are better off not doing it. I wish you could understand it without doing it, but I don't think it's possible.
For some reason you have to experience this to understand it and I've never trained anyone that is the exception to this rule. Just accelerating with a conventional method is a BAD idea and it leads to amplifying your mistakes. With this method it's essential. It's a totally different way to play pocket billiards than most people are aware of.
You don't have to understand it, you just have to experience it. I know that doesn't make sense, I'm not claiming that it does {make sense}. I'm just the messenger, giving you the messager of how it's done. You'll have to decide if it's right for you all by yourself, no one will ever be able to do it for you. 'The Game is the Teacher'
CJ, could you please describe for me what you consider "an accelerating stroke"?
You have been talking about it a lot, and while many have tried to help describe it, we haven't heard your definition. What you mean by it.
I am going ask that you describe it as simply as possible. I'm kind of dense at times, and I don't speak zen very well. I'm not saying that as a knock, I just have a difficult time understanding some of this stuff. Simple and direct is very helpful to me.
Thanks for contributing, and interacting with everyone. You have spurred some interesting and informative discussion.
Bruce
You have been talking about it a lot, and while many have tried to help describe it, we haven't heard your definition. What you mean by it.
I am going ask that you describe it as simply as possible. I'm kind of dense at times, and I don't speak zen very well. I'm not saying that as a knock, I just have a difficult time understanding some of this stuff. Simple and direct is very helpful to me.
Thanks for contributing, and interacting with everyone. You have spurred some interesting and informative discussion.
Bruce
You could have at least used a U.S.A. Cue Shaft. :woot:
CJ,
Been trying to follow these various threads but getting hard. Work keeps getting in the way...
Wanted to tell you I played with the 3-part thing last night, just for kicks. I had a shot come up that was straight in already pointing to the far side of the pocket, so I just got down and aligned 1/4 - 1/2 tip inside and hit it firm. Voila! Went right in.
Could I make the shot with center ball? Sure. Or any combination of spin etc. But with just 5 - 10 minutes of playing around with it, I saw the value. Since I play golf pretty well, similar concept.
My only issue with using it more often is 2 things - 1, just using it more to get used to which part of the pocket to aim to (so it becomes automatic, I caught myself going the wrong way a few times), making sure you are using the right type of hit, etc. Second, how to reconcile this with the various aiming systems. I use SEE and some Pro1 right now, and since I'm arriving at center ball and center pocket it seems like I would have to make a secondary correction to aim to one side of the pocket and then also move my tip position. That seems a little less consistent than my normal method, if you have any ideas on that would appreciate it.
Thanks again for sharing your ideas. Right or wrong as viewed by some, they are still ideas worth exploring and coming from a person with more experience than most.
Scott
Been trying to follow these various threads but getting hard. Work keeps getting in the way...
Wanted to tell you I played with the 3-part thing last night, just for kicks. I had a shot come up that was straight in already pointing to the far side of the pocket, so I just got down and aligned 1/4 - 1/2 tip inside and hit it firm. Voila! Went right in.
Could I make the shot with center ball? Sure. Or any combination of spin etc. But with just 5 - 10 minutes of playing around with it, I saw the value. Since I play golf pretty well, similar concept.
My only issue with using it more often is 2 things - 1, just using it more to get used to which part of the pocket to aim to (so it becomes automatic, I caught myself going the wrong way a few times), making sure you are using the right type of hit, etc. Second, how to reconcile this with the various aiming systems. I use SEE and some Pro1 right now, and since I'm arriving at center ball and center pocket it seems like I would have to make a secondary correction to aim to one side of the pocket and then also move my tip position. That seems a little less consistent than my normal method, if you have any ideas on that would appreciate it.
Thanks again for sharing your ideas. Right or wrong as viewed by some, they are still ideas worth exploring and coming from a person with more experience than most.
Scott
This is why the "Touch" of Inside is so important to learn this technique
I think most "aiming systems" will teach you that the aiming is done above the ball. When you come down to the cue ball, instead of coming to the center, just come down SLightly to the inside {right side cutting to he right and left side cutting to the left]}....if you are a golfer then you will pick up on this quickly.
The key ingredient is just like golf, if you line up and ACCELERATE you will give yourself a greater margin for error if you draw or fade the golf ball. It's the same principle, I"m suggesting everyone DRAW the cue ball, instead of fading it. The Fade (outside english) will let you get away with not accelerating, but he Draw (inside) Will Not.
This is why the "Touch" of Inside is so important to learn this technique. Then all you have to do is accelerate and you KNOW you will not undercut any shots. This effectively takes up to 50% of your potential "misses" out of the equasion, thus increasing your margin for error. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I think most "aiming systems" will teach you that the aiming is done above the ball. When you come down to the cue ball, instead of coming to the center, just come down SLightly to the inside {right side cutting to he right and left side cutting to the left]}....if you are a golfer then you will pick up on this quickly.
The key ingredient is just like golf, if you line up and ACCELERATE you will give yourself a greater margin for error if you draw or fade the golf ball. It's the same principle, I"m suggesting everyone DRAW the cue ball, instead of fading it. The Fade (outside english) will let you get away with not accelerating, but he Draw (inside) Will Not.
This is why the "Touch" of Inside is so important to learn this technique. Then all you have to do is accelerate and you KNOW you will not undercut any shots. This effectively takes up to 50% of your potential "misses" out of the equasion, thus increasing your margin for error. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Ha, Ha! You're right, I stole that pic from a snooker site. I added a white ferrule in PS but no disguising that taper, or the shaft made of ash wood. :wink:
I get that, but don't I also have to compensate for a thicker aim somehow? You are correct, I would be aiming while standing behind the ball, as I approach the cue ball I would in theory be lined up center ball and center pocket. If I just fade to the inside a bit, wouldn't I still be aiming center pocket, and need to adjust my aim to the edge of the pocket to allow for the technique to work?
Scott
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