High School Billiard Students

Scott,
These schools have had participating teams and or approved to have programs by the principal now and the past:
Rockwall HS-Active 2011
Rowlett HS--Active 2011
Naaman Forest HS- Inactive
Wylie HS-Active 2011
Sachse HS-Active 2011
Garland HS-Inactive
N. Garland HS-Active 2011
S. Garland HS-Active 2011
Frisco HS-Inactive
Plano Sr HS-Inactive
Richardson HS-Inactive
Berkner HS-Inactive
JJ Pearce HS-Inactive
Lakeview HS- Approved with players participating on another school team
Wylie East HS- Approved no teams formed due to interest and or no sponsor
Rockwall-Heath HS- Approved no teams formed due to interest and or no sponsor
Utley Freshmen Center- Now part of Rockwall HS
Allen HS- Approved no teams formed yet due to no sponsor.
Plano Williams HS 9th-10th- Have student participating this year.

Several factors have slowed the program down the last few years.

1) Other leagues (Pool 300 -Mon., BCA -Thu) have moved in our only approved place to play at AMF Richardson Lanes. Mon. and Tuesday nights were our nights we competed. We tried to avoid Wed. nights. They removed 3 tables in room to make more room for players in other league. We went from 11 tables to 8. We used to run three matches a night. Last year we we could only run 2.

2) Prior teacher/sponsors are overworked now and have no time or are no longer teaching there. I have had great teachers. Lost contact with some of them. I usually started contacting the schools Sep. through Oct. If the sponsors did not get back with me I did not pursue them because I only could fill so many schools.

3) I maxed out personally with schools I could handle. Personal reasons I found it harder to train 5 days a week. One year I maxed out with 10 high schools competing. We were operating out of two bowling centers plus one school had 3 nine foot tables. I was training Monday-Wed 4pm-6pm at one location then drive to other location from 6:30pm-8:30pm. Then a few schools on Thu at one location 6:30pm-8:30pm then one school on Friday. I tried to keep the schools apart due to club/team sizes. Some had 50 players in their club. Competition season we ran Mon. and Tue. night. Extremely crowded (60-90 people maybe) with 6 teams of players, teachers, parents, families, and friends.

4) Economy and distance traveled to the host facility AMF made it more difficult for students when gas hit $4 a gallon and teams were traveling 30-40 min to get there. Money like everything is a factor.

5) And honestly I hate to say this, but I just burned out. Personal reasons such as divorce etc put me in coast mode for a while satisfied with just 4-8 teams. Where I was living I was driving over an hour out and it became hard. I had other projects going. Was focused for a while on the BEF with helping them.

6) Lost industry support. BCA league went away. We were sanctioned by the BCA and they gave awards to the players. Several Rooms closed down here in Dallas which catered to the youth, several retail stores who used to contribute- gone.

Solutions:
1)From my perspective PORTABLE Tables MUST be put in the schools. Most places (pool rooms) are not really recommended to bring high school students. This will solve several issues such as interest/exposure of students and getting and maintaining teacher sponsors. It is very difficult to ask teachers to work all day then go out at 6pm-9pm to volunteer for something. It would be easier at school to train and compete.

2) Have more BEF trained program directors with maximum of 10 schools per division. Have PBIA instructors take a more active role in training youth players. I had great support from several BCA instructors until the BCA no longer required the 12 student feedback forms per year. I suggest PBIA bring it back.

3) BEF taking a more active role in sanctioning, governing, training, and awarding players, programs, and instructors. Currently they CANNOT do it because they only have ONE person working the BEF.

I am the volunteer Chair person for the BEF Education committee. I have put my recommendations out but MONEY seems to be the issue. I have volunteered hundreds of hours with the BEF helping them to build a website, writing a program directors guide, going to fundraisers, being the tournament director for the last six years, etc. It's strange for the last 12 years I have been trying to help build an infrastructure above my own program so that my program has more credibility with the schools by me pointing to the BEF.

We lost Laura Smith who worked with the BEF for 6 years and worked VERY hard to keep the BEF going. The problem there again is ONLY one person operating the BEF which is Samm Diep-Vidal. Samm is energized and very capable and smart but I personally feel sorry for her because she will be inundated with everything Laura had PLUS she is NOW responsible to raise money for the BEF. The BEF has walked two steps back because of MONEY. The solution is for league players and the industry to realize we NEED the BEF and to contribute if ONLY just $1 per player per year. The BEF needs to GROW!

Sorry for the long response but THIS is where we are CURRENTLY at with a local school program of 12 years here in Dallas and where we are AT going nationally with school programs and the problems and some solutions.

Earl Munson
 
DFW area High School Billiards program

Earl,

Just noticed your collage of high school billiard photos ... wow, what a great contribution to the sport!

I hear many adult cuists remark that it is a shame that more youth are not involved in their sport... yet I don't see any sponsors listed in your program!

Do you have a sponsorship program or a scholarship funding vehicle? ... if so where/how can interested adults contribute either time or money to your youth program?
 
Excellent job Earl . We definitely need more pool in school. I hope to eventually start a program to donate tables to schools.
 
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This was a good read, very nicely detailed. My son is in the USAPL Jr league (used to be the Jr. APA in the N.E. area) and has played in the BEF National tournament this past year. I am going over some things to approach his school to see if they would put in a pool table or 2-3 in the place and to form a billiard club. Maybe table tennis as well since they have lots of conversion tops for that. And my son loves to play both :-)

Your work has given me a lot of things to work from.

I was planning to fund the table purchase and setup myself, along with getting the cues, balls, etc... for them. I think the hardest part will be getting time to work with the kids and teachers and getting the approval from the school. I work 9-6 so it's a bit tough to get home early enough to have time to do anything useful at home, much less with the school.

Scott,
These schools have had participating teams and or approved to have programs by the principal now and the past:
Rockwall HS-Active 2011
Rowlett HS--Active 2011
Naaman Forest HS- Inactive
Wylie HS-Active 2011
Sachse HS-Active 2011
Garland HS-Inactive
N. Garland HS-Active 2011
S. Garland HS-Active 2011
Frisco HS-Inactive
Plano Sr HS-Inactive
Richardson HS-Inactive
Berkner HS-Inactive
JJ Pearce HS-Inactive
Lakeview HS- Approved with players participating on another school team
Wylie East HS- Approved no teams formed due to interest and or no sponsor
Rockwall-Heath HS- Approved no teams formed due to interest and or no sponsor
Utley Freshmen Center- Now part of Rockwall HS
Allen HS- Approved no teams formed yet due to no sponsor.
Plano Williams HS 9th-10th- Have student participating this year.

Several factors have slowed the program down the last few years.

1) Other leagues (Pool 300 -Mon., BCA -Thu) have moved in our only approved place to play at AMF Richardson Lanes. Mon. and Tuesday nights were our nights we competed. We tried to avoid Wed. nights. They removed 3 tables in room to make more room for players in other league. We went from 11 tables to 8. We used to run three matches a night. Last year we we could only run 2.

2) Prior teacher/sponsors are overworked now and have no time or are no longer teaching there. I have had great teachers. Lost contact with some of them. I usually started contacting the schools Sep. through Oct. If the sponsors did not get back with me I did not pursue them because I only could fill so many schools.

3) I maxed out personally with schools I could handle. Personal reasons I found it harder to train 5 days a week. One year I maxed out with 10 high schools competing. We were operating out of two bowling centers plus one school had 3 nine foot tables. I was training Monday-Wed 4pm-6pm at one location then drive to other location from 6:30pm-8:30pm. Then a few schools on Thu at one location 6:30pm-8:30pm then one school on Friday. I tried to keep the schools apart due to club/team sizes. Some had 50 players in their club. Competition season we ran Mon. and Tue. night. Extremely crowded (60-90 people maybe) with 6 teams of players, teachers, parents, families, and friends.

4) Economy and distance traveled to the host facility AMF made it more difficult for students when gas hit $4 a gallon and teams were traveling 30-40 min to get there. Money like everything is a factor.

5) And honestly I hate to say this, but I just burned out. Personal reasons such as divorce etc put me in coast mode for a while satisfied with just 4-8 teams. Where I was living I was driving over an hour out and it became hard. I had other projects going. Was focused for a while on the BEF with helping them.

6) Lost industry support. BCA league went away. We were sanctioned by the BCA and they gave awards to the players. Several Rooms closed down here in Dallas which catered to the youth, several retail stores who used to contribute- gone.

Solutions:
1)From my perspective PORTABLE Tables MUST be put in the schools. Most places (pool rooms) are not really recommended to bring high school students. This will solve several issues such as interest/exposure of students and getting and maintaining teacher sponsors. It is very difficult to ask teachers to work all day then go out at 6pm-9pm to volunteer for something. It would be easier at school to train and compete.

2) Have more BEF trained program directors with maximum of 10 schools per division. Have PBIA instructors take a more active role in training youth players. I had great support from several BCA instructors until the BCA no longer required the 12 student feedback forms per year. I suggest PBIA bring it back.

3) BEF taking a more active role in sanctioning, governing, training, and awarding players, programs, and instructors. Currently they CANNOT do it because they only have ONE person working the BEF.

I am the volunteer Chair person for the BEF Education committee. I have put my recommendations out but MONEY seems to be the issue. I have volunteered hundreds of hours with the BEF helping them to build a website, writing a program directors guide, going to fundraisers, being the tournament director for the last six years, etc. It's strange for the last 12 years I have been trying to help build an infrastructure above my own program so that my program has more credibility with the schools by me pointing to the BEF.

We lost Laura Smith who worked with the BEF for 6 years and worked VERY hard to keep the BEF going. The problem there again is ONLY one person operating the BEF which is Samm Diep-Vidal. Samm is energized and very capable and smart but I personally feel sorry for her because she will be inundated with everything Laura had PLUS she is NOW responsible to raise money for the BEF. The BEF has walked two steps back because of MONEY. The solution is for league players and the industry to realize we NEED the BEF and to contribute if ONLY just $1 per player per year. The BEF needs to GROW!

Sorry for the long response but THIS is where we are CURRENTLY at with a local school program of 12 years here in Dallas and where we are AT going nationally with school programs and the problems and some solutions.

Earl Munson
 
Is it possible to use some home rooms for matches and practice?

Or is that wrong for some reason(s)?

Jeff Livingstom
 
This was a good read, very nicely detailed. My son is in the USAPL Jr league (used to be the Jr. APA in the N.E. area) and has played in the BEF National tournament this past year. I am going over some things to approach his school to see if they would put in a pool table or 2-3 in the place and to form a billiard club. Maybe table tennis as well since they have lots of conversion tops for that. And my son loves to play both :-)

Your work has given me a lot of things to work from.

I was planning to fund the table purchase and setup myself, along with getting the cues, balls, etc... for them. I think the hardest part will be getting time to work with the kids and teachers and getting the approval from the school. I work 9-6 so it's a bit tough to get home early enough to have time to do anything useful at home, much less with the school.

...Just wanted to throw this out there because I've seen it happen; some schools will require "school board approval" to allow tables in a school. And dealing with certain school boards is about as fun as sitting on a nail. Fair warning.

...On the other hand, I have also seen schools boards change their mind, when the table was also used as a fundraiser. So, one good approach is to introduce a coin-op table. It can pay for its own maintenance and make a few extra bucks in the proccess.

I hope it all goes well for you, and thanks in advance for doing something positive for the future of billiards in the u.s.
 
Earl,
You probably know about the Billiard Program at Lindenwood University that Mark Wilson runs. He is offering scholarships for pool players with good grades.

I can't think af a better way to attend college.
 
Mr. Bond,
Great find on the PDF book on high school billiards! Will read through it. Thank you so much for contributing!
Earl Munson
 
ChefJeff,
Home tables are ok for teams to practice with on an unofficial practice with teams. Sometimes players will go to one of the teammates houses to practice on their OWN time.

However, the schools and teachers ARE responsible for the students in the after-school programs we have on designated practice and competition nights. Some principals were very strict on their criteria of where and what the rooms could/could not have i.e. alchohol and smoking, liquor signage, etc.

Earl Munson
 
Cuaba,
Thank you for the post. Mark Wilson had called me and sent packets for my seniors who were graduating. I also saw Mark at the BEF Junior Nationals in July in Wisconsin this past July. He had a booth for Lindenwood University. It was awesome to see that! The ground has been broken for junior billiards to really takeoff if we have more dedicated people to participate.

Remember contact the BEF. They are and should be the place to find info on junior programs. www.billiardeducation.org Contact Samm-Diep-Vidal
Earl Munson
 
Cuaba,
Thank you for the post. Mark Wilson had called me and sent packets for my seniors who were graduating. I also saw Mark at the BEF Junior Nationals in July in Wisconsin this past July. He had a booth for Lindenwood University. It was awesome to see that! The ground has been broken for junior billiards to really takeoff if we have more dedicated people to participate.

Remember contact the BEF. They are and should be the place to find info on junior programs. www.billiardeducation.org Contact Samm-Diep-Vidal
Earl Munson

Earl,
I'm glad to see you two are in touch. If you weren't, I was going to put you in contact.

Mark is a great guy, and I'm excited about his program.

Every high school senior with good grades who plays pool well should know about Mark & Lindenwood.
 
Thanks for providing anyone with useful information about starting an after high school intramural billiard program in local area. The students now a day’s enjoy the program and the schools now have an alternative after-school sports program.
 
kaylaemarx,
Thank you. The BEF has a program manual on how to start a high school program. www.billiardeducation.org.

The benefits I have seen of students playing our sport are many.

1) Motivates them to go and stay in school. We have had students that might otherwise have dropped out or were unenthusiastic about going to school. We have many students who have gone off to the military and college.

2) Students work harder in school to pass their grades. In many cases they improved their grades because they understood what pride and self determination was. Look at any of us who play the game. We are very determined to pocket those little colored balls and are very satisfied internally when we do. The high school students apply that feeling from the table to the classroom.

3) Learning and participating in teamwork. Many of the students that participate are the quiet and sometimes shy type. They never played in ANY sport due to their athletic ability. Here comes a sport where this kid who is quiet that can beat a big football stud on the table and all of a sudden he has gained respect from his PEERS for something he can do good. I guarantee you will see that student enjoy school more now because they now can participate in it.

4) Closer ties with parents. I have always encouraged parents to participate during practice. It is SO nice to see the bonding between the parents and their kid when they get to PLAY together. Its awesome. Mother and daughter, father and daughter, father and son, and yes mother and son. I sometimes laugh at the friendly competitive banter between the student and their parent. The student most always was getting beat by dad. All of a sudden Dad is perplexed by his kid showing THEM how it's done.

There are many more that many of you could probably add to. Economic added benefits to billiard industry, increasing player participation for leagues i.e. APA, BCA, ACS, TAP, etc.

The one thing that I also like very much about students playing billiards is that they will be able to enjoy the sport and participate for a LIFETIME.

How many sports you played in high school can you say that about.

Thank you so much for the ideas, for the comments, and supporting the thought of high school billiards as an after-school sport.

Again support the BEF Billiard Education Foundation and spread the word. We are coming one day to a school near you with your help.

Earl Munson
 
Cuaba,
Yes, Mark is a great guy. I am thrilled at what he is doing. It is another piece of the puzzle for junior billiards in school i.e., junior high, high school, and college.

We have made the little snow ball and giving it a push. Think what the players and industry could have in 10-20 years if everyone supports the idea that JUNIORS like to also play our beloved GAME.

Thanks again. Really appreciated your suggestions.

Earl Munson
 
ChefJeff,
Home tables are ok for teams to practice with on an unofficial practice with teams. Sometimes players will go to one of the teammates houses to practice on their OWN time.

However, the schools and teachers ARE responsible for the students in the after-school programs we have on designated practice and competition nights. Some principals were very strict on their criteria of where and what the rooms could/could not have i.e. alchohol and smoking, liquor signage, etc.

Earl Munson

That makes sense...thanks.

Jeff Livingston
 
Jr, Pool league

Earl,
I have sent an email to you, your name was given to me as an attachment from Samm at BEF, we have a jrs APA league in my area,but im tring to start a lil more,?? Seem no one has time to answer questions.. ust pass the buck... Please Help Anyone...
 
Earl...I am unaware that the BCA Instructor program ever "did away" with the annual requirement for feedback forms (I've been in the program for more than 20 yrs). They are still required to upgrade to higher instructor levels (master level instructors are no longer required to turn in forms, but I continue to provide them to every student, whether private or in pool school).

Thank you for the nicely condensed version of the history of your program, was well as your thoughts on future success of junior programs. One can certainly see how easy it can be to get overwhelmed by everything. You are, after all, only one person. Great work...continued success!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott,

2) Have PBIA instructors take a more active role in training youth players. I had great support from several BCA instructors until the BCA no longer required the 12 student feedback forms per year. I suggest PBIA bring it back.

Earl Munson
 
Hi Scott,
In the past when the BCA had the program up until about 3-4 years ago we HAD to send 12 feedback forms minimum to the BCA program office ANNUALLY.

The BCA had us send them whenever you had instructed a student and then changed to where you could send ALL of them at the end of the year (which was easier).

Then in a letter we were told a few years ago we did not HAVE to send the 12 feedback forms in any longer annually.

If you were going to upgrade certifications THEN you would need to send in feedback forms with your upgrade application.

That is the way our BCA instructors here in Dallas understood the student feedback forms that I worked with in the high school program.

Even with the PBIA I do not see a REQUIREMENT to turn in so many hours per year unless you upgrade certifications.

Maybe I am wrong but I liked when you HAD to turn in 12 student feedback forms per year. It forced the instructors to go out and teach, otherwise once you reach a certification you are satisfied with then you can sit back and pay your dues each year and not have to teach anymore and keep your certification.

Earl Munson
PBIA Certified Instructor
 
James,
I sent you an email. I hadn't checked my email in a few days. Sorry. I will try to to help you out the best I can. This thread is very important because there are others out there who are also interested in junior programs and I would like to colloborate and learn from others on how to improve what is now working.

Earl Munson
 
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