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So, I was playing in the pool league last night and some unpleasantness occurred, which is seems to be occurring with more disturbing regularity these days. We were playing one of the top teams. It was game two, and my opponent broke dry leaving a difficult layout with clusters to break out and pinpoint cueball control needed. I get out nicely and everyone congratulates me, even my opponent and other members of the opposite team. Well, not exactly everyone. One of their guys spoke up and accused me of cheating by touching the tip of my cue to the object ball. This did not occur, period. In fact, no one really knew what he was talking about, especially me. I told him that I did not foul and he basically proceeded to call me a liar, a cheat and questioned my integrity in front of the entire pool room. I lost it a bit, but did act rationally, imo. He would not back down, much to the chagrin of his other team mates and his captain. So, getting nowhere fast, I decided to just go sit down. About 15 minutes later, I approached him and told him that clearly we had a misunderstanding and asked him if I could buy him a beer. This caused him to cause another scene calling me a liar, cheat, etc.

I have played in pool leagues and against area players for over 15 years and no one has ever accused me of cheating. In fact, you can read here an exmple of my approach to the game. I will absolutely call a foul on myself and play the game to the best of my ability. BUT, I will not sandbag, I do not believe in winning at all costs, and I just really like to play the game for what it is and no more than that. This fella’s behavior is disturbing.
Now, bear in mind that this guy is actually on MY TEAM on Wedesday nights, where we are the top team in that league. In fact, 4 of the 5 guys I played against last night are my teammates on the other team as well. We are all good friends. Well, again, apparently not this guy though.

Now, here is what happened when I played this reprobate: I shot a break out shot, my ball rattled (damn Olhausens – I thought I struck it nicely!?!?!). Anyway, it’s his turn. He ran out well until he got tough on the eight. This is where to pool gods decided to impose some poetic justice. He shot and scratched in the corner pocket. Then, steaming, he retrieved to cue ball, THREW it on the table, and I mean HARD. The cue ball smashed against the 8 ball, went three rails, smashed some other balls, etc. Bear in mind that I had been playing silently and remained so during this tirade. He came over to me, limply shook my hand, avoiding looking me in the eye, and then sulked off.
What a weird experience. What do you guys think causes this kind of behavior??????
 
I think he is a giant cry baby and I have met many throughout the years playing pool.
The only way I've found to deal with it is keep on beating him every chance you get. The more you win and take the high road regarding your behavior the smaller he looks.
 
What do you guys think causes this kind of behavior??????

He may have had a hundred other things on his mind, and winning that game was what he needed to hang on. Perhaps his wife cheated on him. Lost his job. Best friend might have run over his dog. It may just have been a bad day. We all handle things differently.
 
Is he and his drama typical of the league players you encounter on a regular basis?

If not, chalk your self up to be an unfortunate victim of his passive agressive behavior. Paraphrasing Bert Gordon, if it didn't happen in league night, it would've happened someplace else.
 
I think he got off lucky, it was you and not one someone else who would've escalated into something physical requiring a police report or EMT visit.
 
I think he is a giant cry baby and I have met many throughout the years playing pool.
The only way I've found to deal with it is keep on beating him every chance you get. The more you win and take the high road regarding your behavior the smaller he looks.

You've got the giant crybaby part right for sure! I am 5'11" or so, but when he got up in my face, I was looking at his chest!!! I really didn't know where it was going from there, but I was furtively unscrewing my cue stick if you know what I mean. One never knows...
 
Is he and his drama typical of the league players you encounter on a regular basis?

If not, chalk your self up to be an unfortunate victim of his passive agressive behavior. Paraphrasing Bert Gordon, if it didn't happen in league night, it would've happened someplace else.

Nah, most players are nice and respectful and we get along fine. I mean most folks are there to have a good time, just like me. Apparently others have had trouble with this fella. In fact, his captain just called me up to apologize. I told him not to worry about it, not his fault at all.
 
I think he got off lucky, it was you and not one someone else who would've escalated into something physical requiring a police report or EMT visit.

Honestly, this was a concern. I get along with damn near everbody, when someone is irrational, things can get funny pretty quick...
 
You've got the giant crybaby part right for sure! I am 5'11" or so, but when he got up in my face, I was looking at his chest!!! I really didn't know where it was going from there, but I was furtively unscrewing my cue stick if you know what I mean. One never knows...

You might want to look into getting one of those pole vaulting cues that Earl Strickland used... it would give you a longer reach.
 
I think he got off lucky, it was you and not one someone else who would've escalated into something physical requiring a police report or EMT visit.

The guy in question is about 6'7", probably 300lbs. I have not seen him be violent, but he is a bit of a complainer.

His friend however has a bit of a temper. The two of them are probably the two people in the world I enjoy beating the most. I once beat the friend with the temper in a bank tournament pretty handily. He got so pissed off that he essentially threatened me if I didn't gamble with him to prove he's better. I responded by telling him I would, but I just beat this guy in a tournament so I had to go play my next match since I was still in it. He absolutely blew his lid. It was awesome.

To the OP, you know he is kind of a dick. Just relax and come over here to get beat tonight :)
 
Troublemakers

So, I was playing in the pool league last night and some unpleasantness occurred, which is seems to be occurring with more disturbing regularity these days. We were playing one of the top teams. It was game two, and my opponent broke dry leaving a difficult layout with clusters to break out and pinpoint cueball control needed. I get out nicely and everyone congratulates me, even my opponent and other members of the opposite team. Well, not exactly everyone. One of their guys spoke up and accused me of cheating by touching the tip of my cue to the object ball. This did not occur, period. In fact, no one really knew what he was talking about, especially me. I told him that I did not foul and he basically proceeded to call me a liar, a cheat and questioned my integrity in front of the entire pool room. I lost it a bit, but did act rationally, imo. He would not back down, much to the chagrin of his other team mates and his captain. So, getting nowhere fast, I decided to just go sit down. About 15 minutes later, I approached him and told him that clearly we had a misunderstanding and asked him if I could buy him a beer. This caused him to cause another scene calling me a liar, cheat, etc.

I have played in pool leagues and against area players for over 15 years and no one has ever accused me of cheating. In fact, you can read here an exmple of my approach to the game. I will absolutely call a foul on myself and play the game to the best of my ability. BUT, I will not sandbag, I do not believe in winning at all costs, and I just really like to play the game for what it is and no more than that. This fella’s behavior is disturbing.
Now, bear in mind that this guy is actually on MY TEAM on Wedesday nights, where we are the top team in that league. In fact, 4 of the 5 guys I played against last night are my teammates on the other team as well. We are all good friends. Well, again, apparently not this guy though.

Now, here is what happened when I played this reprobate: I shot a break out shot, my ball rattled (damn Olhausens – I thought I struck it nicely!?!?!). Anyway, it’s his turn. He ran out well until he got tough on the eight. This is where to pool gods decided to impose some poetic justice. He shot and scratched in the corner pocket. Then, steaming, he retrieved to cue ball, THREW it on the table, and I mean HARD. The cue ball smashed against the 8 ball, went three rails, smashed some other balls, etc. Bear in mind that I had been playing silently and remained so during this tirade. He came over to me, limply shook my hand, avoiding looking me in the eye, and then sulked off.
What a weird experience. What do you guys think causes this kind of behavior??????

There's a guy in my town who does this for fun. He'll call a foul on someone in a match he's not even involved in from across the room. He loves to start arguments and even fist fights.

I guess there's at least one of these guys in every town...
 
"other"

This situation smacks of sooooooo many "other" issues than the fact that you may have fouled the CB in that run. Human psychology is an interesting subject. I posted about a league issue with a captain here.

Here's my take on "other"

1- he's your team-mate; perhaps he was jealous of such a nice runout considereing the clusters.

2- He's having a bad day, and took it out on someone having a good one(you).

3- As stated by someone in a post above, he likes to create turmoil....

4- he (inwardly) envies your abilities on the pool table.

5- he's trying to deflect something positive by creating something negative about the situation to influence someone. (perhaps your captain) Usually this involves a female if the perpetrator is male.

Theresa few more ,but I think you get the idea.
 
Did he accuse you of touching an object ball? Or the cue ball?
When you get good, accidental taps go away mostly... but maybe once a year it still happens.

Is it possible you actually did tap the cue ball in the slightest way and didn't feel it?

It's almost impossible to touch it so lightly that you don't notice, most players who claim they didn't notice are just BSing. But maybe one in a million times, you can tap and not feel it because you're so focused on the OB.

If so, I could understand his frustration.
 
In-House

I played in an APA 8-ball league in the spring. My first league. I never saw anything as bad as you describe, but about half the nights there was general tension in the air and occasionally a few words. Since then I've been playing in an in-house league. I would not rule out playing APA again, but I much prefer the in-house league. Everyone knows each other and that prevents a lot of disagreements from crossing the line into assuming the other guy is a cheat.

BTW, it's ok to hit an object ball with your cue tip. You just ask the other player if he wants you to leave it where it landed, or move it back. It's not a foul. Happens a lot when someone is jacked up over a ball. When that happens to my opponent I usually tell them to move it back where it was. I assume that it was causing him trouble there so he might as well put it back where it will continue to cause trouble.
 
Did he accuse you of touching an object ball? Or the cue ball?
When you get good, accidental taps go away mostly... but maybe once a year it still happens.

Is it possible you actually did tap the cue ball in the slightest way and didn't feel it?

It's almost impossible to touch it so lightly that you don't notice, most players who claim they didn't notice are just BSing. But maybe one in a million times, you can tap and not feel it because you're so focused on the OB.

If so, I could understand his frustration.

Nope, never happened, period. In fact, I asked everone on the other team who was sweating every shot (and who had a perfect view of the shot in question) and no one knew what he was talking about. I pleaded to anyone who could shed some insight to no avail. This guy is just bat-sh$t crazy, that's all, imo...
 
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