Why would there be a transfer of spin if you hit center ball?
From the all the videos I have watched most Pool players cross stroke the ball due to poor fundamentals and this is probably their way of compensating.
WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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Why would there be a transfer of spin if you hit center ball?
From the all the videos I have watched most Pool players cross stroke the ball due to poor fundamentals and this is probably their way of compensating.
Funny, I noticed that as well.
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Listen...all you that are looking for pearls of wisdom and secrets, they're all here. Just wade through all the BS and infighting. I advocated a firm but consistent grip after over two years of experimentation and had virtually every certified instructor crucify me for even suggesting it. CJ's three part pocket with touch of inside is the most powerful tool I've run across in almost 30 years of playing. If you want to ignore it, fine. If a loose grip works best for you, fine. All of you looking to improve your game, never discount a tip...give it a turn and see what happens. Then you grow. All this personal BS needs to be discounted by those that want to grow. For the record, Neil, Randy, Fran, Patrick and all the others have lots of wisdom to impart, too. Maybe CJ is wrong...maybe not...but it only costs you three hours of pre-paid table time to find out. I did and will NEVER go back. :smile:
Listen...all you that are looking for pearls of wisdom and secrets, they're all here. Just wade through all the BS and infighting. I advocated a firm but consistent grip after over two years of experimentation and had virtually every certified instructor crucify me for even suggesting it. CJ's three part pocket with touch of inside is the most powerful tool I've run across in almost 30 years of playing. If you want to ignore it, fine. If a loose grip works best for you, fine. All of you looking to improve your game, never discount a tip...give it a turn and see what happens. Then you grow. All this personal BS needs to be discounted by those that want to grow. For the record, Neil, Randy, Fran, Patrick and all the others have lots of wisdom to impart, too. Maybe CJ is wrong...maybe not...but it only costs you three hours of pre-paid table time to find out. I did and will NEVER go back. :smile:
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Let me give it a try...cock your wrist back (thumb and forefinger foreward, heal of the hand back) then at the point of contact, the thumb/forefinger goes forward (almost "snaps" forward) like your right hand is holding a hammer that is hitting a nail. Hard to describe. For me, it works, but not as good as my current grip/transfer system. Worth trying, though. It will feel weird, but you'll see that it works.
CJ, I'm finally getting around to replying to your post. No, they absolutely do not teach us to play that way in Missouri. If I were to position myself as Ebdon was doing there, I would first get double vision then pass out and fall over to one side or the other.
The laugh might be worth it though. :grin:
The laugh might be worth it though. :grin:
Thanks for the compliment. I think CJ's stuff is really interesting and I've enjoyed reading what he has to say. You won't find me bashing him for sharing what he knows in his own words. Some of it I already know and some I am looking forward to experimenting with at the table.
Ms. Crimi,
My Best Regards and Respect.
You have garned them the old fashioned way.
You've earned them by your examples of simple honesty and civility.
As I have said before, if I were to take lessons, I would take them from either YOU or CJ, and perhaps a few others.
Stay well,
lol. It's a question of content, not style.
Since you seem to appreciate the "clowning:" here's one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB0CkB7mRiY
Lou Figueroa
"razzle dazzle them...
they'll just beg you for more"
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HA! And now he's misleading? Why don't you save CJ a bunch of time and energy and start posting. Since it's all repackaged info, why don't you tell us everything you know ahead of time. I'm sure we need to hear it from a more conventional source that wouldn't mislead us.
Just to be sure I'll test your last post...
seems we have a problem, PJ. Check back when we've figured out how to filter through the know it all garbage you just posted. We have a new meglomania detector we'd like you to try out, also.
Best,
Mike
it doesn't rotate at all for anything other than "Trick Spin" shots.
No, it doesn't rotate at all for anything other than "Trick/Max. Spin" shots.
Take your cue, and hold as your normally do, then place your hand on the side of your RIGHT HIP. Face the shot and cock your cue up (make the tip raise until it's eye heighth, and look straight at your tip IN FRONT OF YOUR).
Now, lock it there and use that as your newly established hand position.
Keep that wrist/finger/hand angle and get down on a shot. Now just hit the cue ball and let the wrist SLIGHTLY release (still keeping the cue at a slight angle down, release is only an inch or so) SLIGHTLY.
The cue should appear like it's traveling staight and level. If anyone can see you release your wrist you're doing it too much. The energy is "potentially stored" and just an inch of release will do wonders for your new esperience of hitting the cue ball. 'The Game is the Teacher'
No, it doesn't rotate at all for anything other than "Trick/Max. Spin" shots.
Take your cue, and hold as your normally do, then place your hand on the side of your RIGHT HIP. Face the shot and cock your cue up (make the tip raise until it's eye heighth, and look straight at your tip IN FRONT OF YOUR).
Now, lock it there and use that as your newly established hand position.
Keep that wrist/finger/hand angle and get down on a shot. Now just hit the cue ball and let the wrist SLIGHTLY release (still keeping the cue at a slight angle down, release is only an inch or so) SLIGHTLY.
The cue should appear like it's traveling staight and level. If anyone can see you release your wrist you're doing it too much. The energy is "potentially stored" and just an inch of release will do wonders for your new esperience of hitting the cue ball. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I mean mistakenly misleading, not purposely.
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I prefer to do the work and therefore receive the TOUCH.
Yes, anyone that throws a dart, baseball, football, or a coin is doing it with the sensitivety of their fingers.
I do it with my wrist/fingers and I have great success with this technique.
I have the sensation of "Feeling the Cue Ball with my hand when I hit it". This is frowned on for some reason, but to ME it's the key to my control/touch/feel and stroking systems and techniques.
If I "let the cue do the work", I also "let the cue get the feel".....to me this is a very negative thing to do, even though it's the prefered teaching method. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's wrong for me. I prefer to do the work and therefore receive the TOUCH. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, anyone that throws a dart, baseball, football, or a coin is doing it with the sensitivety of their fingers.
I do it with my wrist/fingers and I have great success with this technique.
I have the sensation of "Feeling the Cue Ball with my hand when I hit it". This is frowned on for some reason, but to ME it's the key to my control/touch/feel and stroking systems and techniques.
If I "let the cue do the work", I also "let the cue get the feel".....to me this is a very negative thing to do, even though it's the prefered teaching method. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's wrong for me. I prefer to do the work and therefore receive the TOUCH. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I won't "heckle" anyone's attempts, and if anything I'll help them with
Yes, one thing I want to make perfectly clear - I AM NOT a professional writer, I'm just trying to communicate in this forum in the way allowed (when in Rome do as the Romans).
I only started writing on this Forum waiting for my new video series to start with azbilliards and it got delayed and I continued to write in the best way I know how.
I talked to Jerry today and my ability to communicate these things in person "virtually" will start in a few weeks.
If anyone thinks they can describe their techniques better, PLEASE feel free, this is much more difficult than it appears. I promise I won't "heckle" anyone's attempts, and if anything I'll help them with another "perspective" as long as it won't make them nervous or insecure.
If I"m repackaging things that people on here already knew about I have this strange feeling they wouldn't fight and argue so profusely about my systems and techniques. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, one thing I want to make perfectly clear - I AM NOT a professional writer, I'm just trying to communicate in this forum in the way allowed (when in Rome do as the Romans).
I only started writing on this Forum waiting for my new video series to start with azbilliards and it got delayed and I continued to write in the best way I know how.
I talked to Jerry today and my ability to communicate these things in person "virtually" will start in a few weeks.
If anyone thinks they can describe their techniques better, PLEASE feel free, this is much more difficult than it appears. I promise I won't "heckle" anyone's attempts, and if anything I'll help them with another "perspective" as long as it won't make them nervous or insecure.
If I"m repackaging things that people on here already knew about I have this strange feeling they wouldn't fight and argue so profusely about my systems and techniques. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Correct. Mostly on thicker hits and slower speeds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Aj9mkTDRciA#t=7s
My forte is explaining systems and techniques in person, not trying to write
The whole reason I started here was AZBILLIARDS is starting a new VIDEO (www.cjwiley.com ) section and I was chosen to do the instructional dept. of it.
My forte is explaining systems and techniques in person, not trying to write in a Forum where some people want to pick at words like birds picking at sand speckled with poppy seeds.
I knew things were going to get weird when I said I could FEEL the cue ball when I hit it and "someone" said "that's impossible, we can't actually feel the cue ball with our hand" .... what would you say? "if you say so, and I would suggest you at least try"...LoL!" :withstupid:
Taking words to literally is silly, like I've said SO MANY TIMES, I can't do these techniques FOR YOU, you must experience them yourself. And yes, I can still tell if you don't. Believe it or not.
'The Game is the Teacher'
The whole reason I started here was AZBILLIARDS is starting a new VIDEO (www.cjwiley.com ) section and I was chosen to do the instructional dept. of it.
My forte is explaining systems and techniques in person, not trying to write in a Forum where some people want to pick at words like birds picking at sand speckled with poppy seeds.
I knew things were going to get weird when I said I could FEEL the cue ball when I hit it and "someone" said "that's impossible, we can't actually feel the cue ball with our hand" .... what would you say? "if you say so, and I would suggest you at least try"...LoL!" :withstupid:
Taking words to literally is silly, like I've said SO MANY TIMES, I can't do these techniques FOR YOU, you must experience them yourself. And yes, I can still tell if you don't. Believe it or not.
'The Game is the Teacher'
Place your right hand on your right hip and make the tip raise up to eye level.
Hold your cue as usual, level by your side. Place your right hand on your right hip and make the tip raise up to eye level.
Notice what you're wrist is doing to accomplish this with your hand still at your hip, palm side facing your hip bone.
Hold your cue as usual, level by your side. Place your right hand on your right hip and make the tip raise up to eye level.
Notice what you're wrist is doing to accomplish this with your hand still at your hip, palm side facing your hip bone.