My new stick

[classiccues]

Please do not get the feeling that anyone is blaming you for the cue. Its a gorgeous cue. However amongst the US cuemakers there is a hardline for copying that other countries do not respect. JD who I believe is active on this site, has probably seen the threads involving his pinoy peers getting a tongue lashing for making similar designs to active cuemakers that are US based.

Personally if I see acknowledgement to the original maker, then I get it. But to some, even that is a no-no. So good luck, and enjoy your cue. But your cue will bring more debate about copying cue designs to the forefront.

JV

i dont care about the bandsaw theory...:grin:

but i seen around 1991/92 during a german cueshow some real

and beautiful original Ginacues. So i can say, that from this time on to

present i had a heart for Mr. Ernie Gutierrez cues. But i have still and simply

not enough cash for a cuemodel like this wonderful one from the poster

Hierovision in this thread. Thx a lot for showing this real Ginacue.

My cue has a nice price and a softer hit and i like to play with it.

And its fully paid and looks good to me.

When i hit the lottery jackpot i came over to america, visit Ernies shop

and give him my JD Ginastyle cue as a gift and hope he has

an expensive and similar looking cue for me to buy from him :smile:

 

[Diamond Jack]

Thx classiccues JV,

Yes, i enjoy that cue and i like the sharp points, the playability and the look from this Joel Dadivas cue.
Thats the reason i posted this one here.

Thx for looking and best of rolls @ all

 

[JB Cases]

Please do not get the feeling that anyone is blaming you for the cue. Its a gorgeous cue. However amongst the US cuemakers there is a hardline for copying that other countries do not respect. JD who I believe is active on this site, has probably seen the threads involving his pinoy peers getting a tongue lashing for making similar designs to active cuemakers that are US based.

Personally if I see acknowledgement to the original maker, then I get it. But to some, even that is a no-no. So good luck, and enjoy your cue. But your cue will bring more debate about copying cue designs to the forefront.

JV

To be fair not all of the United States cue makers respect the "hard line" on copying either. Has nothing to do with the country and everything to do with the individual.

Filipino Edwin Reyes, RIP, made some of the most original and far out cues the world has ever seen.

Meanwhile in the USA Phillipi has been criticized a lot for using the designs of others. As have other US cue makers.

Copying is not a national institution. It's an individual decision made by the cue maker or cue factory to deliberately copy.

 

[classiccues]

To be fair not all of the United States cue makers respect the "hard line" on copying either. Has nothing to do with the country and everything to do with the individual.

Filipino Edwin Reyes, RIP, made some of the most original and far out cues the world has ever seen.

Meanwhile in the USA Phillipi has been criticized a lot for using the designs of others. As have other US cue makers.

Copying is not a national institution. It's an individual decision made by the cue maker or cue factory to deliberately copy.

There will always be exceptions. Just happens to be that the overseas makers see, to the ones lately doing the copying. Identified tributes not with standing, less come from US makers in the last few years. (deceased cuemaker tributes removed)

JV

 

[JB Cases]

I should also mention that Filipino cue maker Al Bautista I think also had made some really nice and great original cues along with some copies as well. But some of the originals were truly great in appearance.

 

[blackpearlmaker]

I should also mention that Filipino cue maker Al Bautista I think also had made some really nice and great original cues along with some copies as well. But some of the originals were truly great in appearance.

John i appreciate your words and popping me out, With regards to Joel, i know him personally, he also sells my cues long time ago before he start his own shop with some people working for him. With regards to copying the designs, i dont know his reasons why he is doing it, your right its individual matters on how they facilitate their talents, but im sure no one is happy to be well known in the world because of copying. As a cuemaker, temptation is always there, its like credibility vs. money. For me Copying is not really a good idea and never agree with it, i just wish when i started making cues there is "AZBillards"

 

[XPLAYHARDX]

Nice

I like the segmented handled cue. Imho its way nicer looking than the leather handled gina. I bet the price was right too
how does the cue play?????

 

[Diamond Jack]

You win the bet (the price was 399.- Euro plus shipping) and the cue plays easy, a softer hitting cue.
The price includes also a second shaft and a set of joint protectors.

 

[TheWizard]

Hey Guys

Everyone has their preferences in what they like in a cue, the same as a cuemaker has their own preferences as to which designs and materials they like to build a cue with.

I agree mostly with what John Barton has stated, but there is also a point that I would like to add and that is with the sheer volume of cuemakers around the world nowadays, it's almost impossible for a cuemaker to come up with a new style design arrangement of points or inlays, etc, that hasn't already been done by before by another cuemaker either in the USA or wherever.... it's merely part and parcel of the ever growing billiards industry and the increasing demand for cues of certain styles both by players and/or cue collectors.

What I will say though is that as JB has also pointed out that there are plenty of cuemakers whom have copied other cuemakers in the US, for example the late Bill Stroud of Josswest has made many beautiful cues over the years, but also the yammering ninnies of the copy cat brigade seem to forget that Bill made, advertised and sold copies of the Ed Kelly GinaCue in the 1970's.

Also Al Bautista, I have owned one of your cues in the past and I know they hit good, but your cues are not completely original designs either since the 12 pointer ebony/amboyna burl cue I bought from you was mostly based on a Samsara style cue with the only difference being the decorative rings you installed on the cue, instead of using the same decorative rings that Samsara uses.

Also using butterfly style flames in cues is most certainly not an original idea, since cues were being made with butterfly flames by Brunswick-Balke & Collendar as well as other English snooker cue makers for around 100+ years.

In my eyes, it doesn't matter who makes the cue and what it looks like, if someone is happy to pay the money for that cue and they like the style of the inlay pattern/design, that is what counts and I really don't care who came up with the design originally or not.

Nice cue indeed Hans and I hope you are enjoying shooting with it and it looks like you got a great cue for a bargain price.

Peace :thumbup: