ChrisBanks
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This can't be. Because the tighest rack that can be achieved is all balls frozen to each other. But this rarely happens. So we must make some allowances. How many gaps in a rack is permissible?
8-ball break on valley bar tables
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This can't be. Because the tighest rack that can be achieved is all balls frozen to each other. But this rarely happens. So we must make some allowances. How many gaps in a rack is permissible?
This line of reasoning is ridiculous. The object of a good rack should be to freeze any and all balls to the best of one's ability. Anything other than that is cheating, period.
Again, this is sad that this discussion even occurs.
All of these twats posting about "cheaters" and "unethical" are complete idiots... You know what's cheating and unethical... Taking an extra 5 minutes on your lunch break and not telling your boss about it..... Shut the hell up acting like your all gods gift to the world and your some honorable do gooder.
Learn to play the GAME... Learn to check racks, learn to know when someone is putting on rack on you. If you don't know these things, then have fun playing for funsies once a month on your friends garbage table in the basement.
Chivalry and honor died a long long time ago, and if you still believe it is around then your a sucker.
Now on point. On a VALLEY table only (I dont like this break on a diamond BB) I like to break from the standard 9 ball break spot. Head string just far enough off the rail to be comfortable for you. Aim 2nd ball as full as possible 1 tip of low 1/2 tip of outside. Hit with medium-soft speed. With this break I make a ball in the bottom corner atleast 80% of the time. The racks are a bit more cluttered this way, but if you know how to play BB 8ball well then most of the time you can work out the rack. If you hit the break to hard the ball that normally goes to the corner gets kicked out by another ball, so you really have to work on the speed of this break. I very rarely scratch doing this, and almost always lay for a nice opening shot.
Learn to play the GAME... Learn to check racks, learn to know when someone is putting on rack on you. If you don't know these things, then have fun playing for funsies once a month on your friends garbage table in the basement.
Chivalry and honor died a long long time ago, and if you still believe it is around then your a sucker.
Now on point. On a VALLEY table only (I dont like this break on a diamond BB) I like to break from the standard 9 ball break spot. Head string just far enough off the rail to be comfortable for you. Aim 2nd ball as full as possible 1 tip of low 1/2 tip of outside. Hit with medium-soft speed. With this break I make a ball in the bottom corner atleast 80% of the time. The racks are a bit more cluttered this way, but if you know how to play BB 8ball well then most of the time you can work out the rack. If you hit the break to hard the ball that normally goes to the corner gets kicked out by another ball, so you really have to work on the speed of this break. I very rarely scratch doing this, and almost always lay for a nice opening shot.
Are you serious any rules I have ever read say as tight as possible so if you put balls apart on purpose then thats not following the rules!!! then you are a cheater and the fact you are trying to find out how shows what kind of person you are. I hope you never win another game ever.
ChrisBanks
Banned
Thank you for that. You paint quite a picture of the world today!
Yes he does. His is a world in which "two men enter, one man leaves"...
And remember, no matter where you go, there you are...
I don't remember anything about a 2mm rule, but I do remember there's language in the rule stating you should rack "as tightly as possible". If you know you can get rid of that 2mm gap, then you should, regardless of whether you think it will help or hurt the breaker.
To answer your question, there's no truly wired ball in 8b the way there is in 9b.
There's a ball that the top pros might make 70% of the time, in both 8b and 10b, and this percentage goes up or down depending on the equipment. That ball is the 2nd row ball into the side pocket. It works on a barbox too, and you can alter the path a bit by moving more towards the center or the rail.
The catch is, you need a truly perfect rack and/or new equipment to make that ball anywhere near 70%... think magic rack + diamond smart table. If you're dealing with a beat valley bar box and plastic triangle, forget about it.
On those tables, the best bet has always been a second row break, a little over a ball width from the rail, and trying to avoid an airborne cue ball as petey notes. I don't hear it discussed much, but the ball that goes in all the time with this break is the opposite corner ball. You see this in slow motion when someone 'gets lucky' and sinks a ball on a 1-pocket break.
What I think happens here is...you're hitting the very edge of the head ball a millisecond before the rest, and this nudges the corner ball down towards the foot rail. Then the 2nd row of balls chain reacts and sends a ball from the back of the rack into the just-dislodged corner ball, and that kisses the corner ball into the pocket. Something also seems to bank into the other corner (on your side of the table) too.
What you do with the cue ball is up to you, you can draw with low outside but with a heavy cue ball you might get unpredictable results depending on whether you touch the head ball on the way in or not. You can also use just a 'touch of draw' or even low inside, with the goal of sending the cue ball two rails and back towards the middle of the rack. This is one way to get the 8 ball on the break.
To answer your question, there's no truly wired ball in 8b the way there is in 9b.
There's a ball that the top pros might make 70% of the time, in both 8b and 10b, and this percentage goes up or down depending on the equipment. That ball is the 2nd row ball into the side pocket. It works on a barbox too, and you can alter the path a bit by moving more towards the center or the rail.
The catch is, you need a truly perfect rack and/or new equipment to make that ball anywhere near 70%... think magic rack + diamond smart table. If you're dealing with a beat valley bar box and plastic triangle, forget about it.
On those tables, the best bet has always been a second row break, a little over a ball width from the rail, and trying to avoid an airborne cue ball as petey notes. I don't hear it discussed much, but the ball that goes in all the time with this break is the opposite corner ball. You see this in slow motion when someone 'gets lucky' and sinks a ball on a 1-pocket break.
What I think happens here is...you're hitting the very edge of the head ball a millisecond before the rest, and this nudges the corner ball down towards the foot rail. Then the 2nd row of balls chain reacts and sends a ball from the back of the rack into the just-dislodged corner ball, and that kisses the corner ball into the pocket. Something also seems to bank into the other corner (on your side of the table) too.
What you do with the cue ball is up to you, you can draw with low outside but with a heavy cue ball you might get unpredictable results depending on whether you touch the head ball on the way in or not. You can also use just a 'touch of draw' or even low inside, with the goal of sending the cue ball two rails and back towards the middle of the rack. This is one way to get the 8 ball on the break.
Yes he does. His is a world in which "two men enter, one man leaves"...
And remember, no matter where you go, there you are...
Nice profile picture... Very gentlemen like of you... So "cheating" in pool is unethical and disgusting... but being a pervert is not...
Lol, ignorant fool.
ChrisBanks
Banned
You're very wise, thank you.
Fortunately, your words are here for others to see. Therefore a retort is not necessary.
What he just descirbed here is what I was talking about. Pretty spot on as far as opposite corner ball in same bottom corner, or 4th row ball banking cross corner, or both. I never stopped to think about why this happens, I jsut know that when I hit the rack with the correct speed it happens A LOT of the time.
Fortunatly morons like you only get to express there twisted sense of morals via a forum board. You can't have your cake and eat it too... If you are going to try to pretend to have some sort of honor about you, then you should portray that in all facists of your life.
I on the other hand have come to terms with the fake that the world is a grimey place, and try to find my place in it. I don't try to pretend I am something I am not.
ChrisBanks
Banned
I'll be spending some time with this
One thing you forgot to mention.
Are these valley tables with slow cloth? If so it changes the dynamic considerably.
I break about a ball out from the middle on the break line a little below center. If the balls are racked right (gaps) I use a second ball break with low center and hit the 2nd ball full.
Are these valley tables with slow cloth? If so it changes the dynamic considerably.
I break about a ball out from the middle on the break line a little below center. If the balls are racked right (gaps) I use a second ball break with low center and hit the 2nd ball full.
Speed of the felt does not seem to effect my valley table break much. Maybe just adjust the speed of a break a hair, but thats about it.
Sounds a bit like cheating, rack tilting or rigging to me.
If you want a consistently sinkable ball off the break go for the head ball in the side. (Aiming it to go for a 2 rail bank to the corner pretending the rest of the balls in the rack aren't there) If the head ball goes past the side pocket hit it softer if the head ball hits the rail before the side pocket hit shoot harder.
Others in the thread have suggested the 2nd ball break, this is good advice.
Another break you should try if that isn't working is placing the CB on the head string on the line you get going between the head ball and the spot from where the first diamond on the side intersects with the first diamond on the head rail. At this point aim for the 8ball (like the first 2 rows of balls aren't there) and let er rip.
OK, please post a picture of yourself. We need this information so that we can always have a referee present when you're racking.
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that's how many gaps are allowable in a rack. You are looking for a way to rig the rack and be within the rules. there isn't a way.
And we wonder why Mothers tell their children to stay away from pool.
I don't cheat and I expect the same of others. If they cheat or promote cheating, I AIN'T SHUTTIN' UP ABOUT IT. I laugh here, cuz you know who the ONLY folks are who tell me to shut up about the cheating? The cheaters I caught at it, that's who. lol...so somehow in their sociopathic world, I am at fault for exposing them!
Your advice on how to actually break is wonderful, btw.
Jeff Livingston
ChrisBanks
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Let me ask you, if the only way to win was to cheat, would you do so?