Outside english on cross bank shots?

[bdorman]

I'm pretty new to pool and just beginning to use a little outside english on cut shots when I think CIT is going to be a factor and I'm not comfortable hitting the OB any thinner than already required. AZers have offered good advice, both pro and con, about using outside english on cut shots...and I'm still experimenting.

That got me wondering if outside english can, or should, be employed on cross bank shots. (I define cross bank as when the CB is beneath the OB instead of on-line or higher than the OB; I hope that's a good description, see picture).

Would outside english compensate for the spin the CB is going to impart on the OB? If so, is it a good practice to do so?

BTW, I'd also appreciate any corrections to my terminology to make future questions clearer.

Thanks.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Unless you need it to move the cue ball somewhere useful, side spin is probably not going to help you. In the long run you need to be able to make banks with any kind of side and speed. The best game to learn this is one pocket because the spin and speed is usually forced by the playing situation.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Outside english is used on banks to eliminate contact-induced spin and to add transferred spin in the opposite direction, both of which are intended to make the OB rebound at the "true equal angle". But there are problems with it:

1. It's difficult to guage the exact amount of outside spin to use, and banks are very sensitive to spin errors.

2. It's harder to aim with sidespin.

As Bob says, I like to be familiar with all kinds of english on bank shots - but if the bank can be aimed a little differently without any spin, I prefer that method.

pj
chgo

 

[bdorman]

Thanks for the replies and advice.

I think I'll save the outside english for cut shots, but only those that need a little outside for position anyway.

Back to banking practice...

 

[maha]

you still need to get position after your bank shot. so learning how to use the english needed is important. as you get better you will find you use inside and speed on more banks to control the angle to make it shorter.

 

[John Brumback]

I'm pretty new to pool and just beginning to use a little outside english on cut shots when I think CIT is going to be a factor and I'm not comfortable hitting the OB any thinner than already required. AZers have offered good advice, both pro and con, about using outside english on cut shots...and I'm still experimenting.

That got me wondering if outside english can, or should, be employed on cross bank shots. (I define cross bank as when the CB is beneath the OB instead of on-line or higher than the OB; I hope that's a good description, see picture).

Would outside english compensate for the spin the CB is going to impart on the OB? If so, is it a good practice to do so?

BTW, I'd also appreciate any corrections to my terminology to make future questions clearer.

Thanks.

I get asked this question alot. If I'm reading your pic right I would..(The top one) use outside on it.(the middle one i would use just center and on the bottom I would use some outside on it, to negate all that cit.Hope that helps.

It's not real clear if you are talking about crossing over and in front of that top shot.I guessed you are. John B.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Why do you make a determination after only such a very few posts?

I agree with Mr. Brumback. However, I hardly ever hit exactly center. Play with it & learn the differences it makes. On the top example, depending on the distance from the rail & the exact angle, I might even hit it with inside right english.

Regards,

 

[Eddie May]

I'm pretty new to pool and just beginning to use a little outside english on cut shots when I think CIT is going to be a factor and I'm not comfortable hitting the OB any thinner than already required. AZers have offered good advice, both pro and con, about using outside english on cut shots...and I'm still experimenting.

That got me wondering if outside english can, or should, be employed on cross bank shots. (I define cross bank as when the CB is beneath the OB instead of on-line or higher than the OB; I hope that's a good description, see picture).

Would outside english compensate for the spin the CB is going to impart on the OB? If so, is it a good practice to do so?

BTW, I'd also appreciate any corrections to my terminology to make future questions clearer.

Thanks.

To further John's post, I think he is confused because the top CB is normally considered a "cross face bank" because you are coming across the face of the OB. So the bottom cueball would not be a "cross bank" or "cross faced bank" to me.

As far as using english on bank shots it really depends on what you need the CB to do.... I use english on many of many bank shots (neil jacobs tells me im a idiot) but that is because I am attempting position play while banking.

 

[Fatboy]

Why do you make a determination after only such a very few posts?

I agree with Mr. Brumback. However, I hardly ever hit exactly center. Play with it & learn the differences it makes. On the top example, depending on the distance from the rail & the exact angle, I might even hit it with inside right english.

Regards,

Brumback, who is he??? LOL

Just kidding, I agree 100%.

John hope been well buddy and happy Holidays to you and your family, best Eric.

 

[fathomblue]

I wholeheartedly endorse the next best thing to personal instruction on banks.

"Bank Pool Secrets of a World Champion" by John Brumback.

Click the link in John's signature line. You've already had the best bank artist (yeah, I said "bank artist") in the world respond to your thread.

I bought his DVD and after working on just a handful of shots that he presents, my Banks game has really opened up. If you work at it, you'll soon see banks that make you think, "....hmmmm. This reminds me of that other shot. Let's see. Yeah, I think I know what I need to do here." And then you're off to the races. You still have to put in the work, but JB can open up a whole new world for ya.

I can't think of many games that being a proficient banker won't help out on. One-pocket. Of course. Rotation games? Sure. I've had some balls that I just couldn't plain get to because of clusters, so I worked my way around to a bank....and voila!

It's a tool and an option that shouldn't be ignored.