ferrule length

jsaxman

jsaxman

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What is the best length of the ferrule.
1.25 in
1.00 in
.75 in

I perfer the threaded capped. ( I think it is a better-fit than open collar type ferrule)
Of course the lenght will effect the hardness/softness of the hit.


I just looking for what you as a cuemaker consider the ideal length
of a ferrule.


I like the hit of a cue to be solid, but not too stiff, with some flex,but not
alot. Of course, the hit is very subjective.


Finding the ideal hit of your cues is,in my thinking ,the Holy Grail of cuebuilding.
Then you just perfect the process!!!! ( This may take a long long time )


Thanks for any input!

later,
sax
 
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Sax with out opening up a can of worms. The best way is to try various types and see what you like best. When you talk about "hit" i might not like your hit and likewise you may not like my hit. Slip on threaded capped uncapped tennoned. Try them all and see what you like best.
 
Please consider that the tenon can act as a lever.
The longer the lever, the less the force that is required to move it.
Flex the tenon once too often or with a little too much force and it will break.
Conversely, the shorter the tenon/ferrule, the more force that is required to move it. In other words, the shorter the ferrule, the stronger the configuration by virtue of the fact that it will take more force to move it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=89376&highlight=tenon+leverage

Hope this helps.
 
link

KJ Cues,

Thanks for the link.
I see this subject will open a whole can of worms! (good info.)
No matter how much I think I know.......I know very little.

Just learning info. about different aspects of cue construction....
....is a lifetime endeavour!!!!!

I just try to enjoy the ride!


later,
sax
 
My sizer for uncapped-threaded short with fat tenon kind.
I dunno who else does it this way.
 

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It depends mostly on your taste for looks as far as length goes. The hit with a solid capped ferrule on any of those three lengths will have very little difference provided the cap is the same thickness on all three. As far as mechanics goes I feel more comfortable with a 5/16-18 thread with between 3/16" and 1/4" solid cap on the one inch ferrule. It gives you pleanty of thread and the right thickness of cap to hold up well. I feel the 3/4" ferrule will give just barely enough threads and the 1.25" ferrule length is just not needed although some find the look of it more appealing. So either one will work fine, but I usually go with the one inch myself.
 
Thanks Chris for the info.

I like visual look of the 1.25 in ferrule.

However, With the basic repair lathe I have, I have difficulty turninng
the ferrule. (within .001 the whole lenght of the ferrule)

later,
sax
 
jsaxman said:
Thanks Chris for the info.

I like visual look of the 1.25 in ferrule.

However, With the basic repair lathe I have, I have difficulty turninng
the ferrule. (within .001 the whole lenght of the ferrule)

later,
sax
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1.25" long?:eek:
I think 1 inch long ferrules long long now.
I like them at .750 now.
 
jsaxman said:
Thanks Chris for the info.

I like visual look of the 1.25 in ferrule.

However, With the basic repair lathe I have, I have difficulty turninng
the ferrule. (within .001 the whole lenght of the ferrule)

later,
sax
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Your tool is most likely not sharp enough. Try using a HSS tool and touch up its edge with a diamond hand stone right before your last cut. You will be able to take off half a thousandths its entire length.
 
I like my ferrules at 3/4" and uncapped. Most of my cues has ivory, mircarta ane melamine ferrules. I feel that 3/4" ferrules plays the best with less deflection.
 
It seems that 3/4 to 1 in. is a good length for the ferrule.
Long enough for some flex...long enough for the tendon....
yet short enought to reduce deflection.


How about a 7/8 in ferrule? You have a combination of both some flex
& less deflection? (threaded & capped- with at least 1/4in solid ferrule)



Thanks for all the input!


Lots of experiment of different ferrules-different length-capped/uncapped
to try. This may take some time!



later,
sax
 
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jsaxman said:
It seems that 3/4 to 1 in. is a good length for the ferrule.
Long enough for some flex...long enough for the tendon....
yet short enought to reduce deflection.


How about a 7/8 in ferrule? You have a combination of both some flex
& less deflection? (threaded & capped- with at least 1/4in solid ferrule)



Thanks for all the input!


Lots of experiment of different ferrules-different length-capped/uncapped
to try. This may take some time!



later,
sax
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I have had some cues with 7/8" ferrules and I still believe that the 3/4" uncapped ferrules plays better.
 
JoeyinCali ferrule design

Joey,

I like your design.
Why not thread the tenon, the whole length of the tendon?
Is the tendon dia. a little thicker at the shaft/ferrule joint?


thanks for the input!


later,
sax
 
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jsaxman said:
Joey,

I like your design.
Why not thread the tendon, the whole length of the tendon?
Is the tendon dia. a little thicker at the shaft/ferrule joint?


thanks for the input!


later,
sax
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I like no threads on top and bottom so the ferrule has more material there .The bottom shoulder also acts as the register ( in keeping the ferrule up straight ).
Also by not having threads at the bottom of the tenon, it's sturdier there.
I dunno who came up with the first shouldered ferrule but I was taught to do it that by by Zeiler.
 
jsaxman said:
It seems that 3/4 to 1 in. is a good length for the ferrule.
Long enough for some flex...long enough for the tendon....
yet short enought to reduce deflection.


How about a 7/8 in ferrule? You have a combination of both some flex
& less deflection? (threaded & capped- with at least 1/4in solid ferrule)



Thanks for all the input!


Lots of experiment of different ferrules-different length-capped/uncapped
to try. This may take some time!



later,
sax
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Sax,
I'm a little concerned that you may have missed my point or at least, may not fully comprehend what I'm saying because you speak of 'flex'.
Your quote :
"It seems that 3/4 to 1 in. is a good length for the ferrule.
Long enough for some FLEX...long enough for the tendon....
yet short enought to reduce deflection." End quote.

The point of my post was to WARN of tenon flex (tenon leverage).
Flex the ferrule's tenon once too often and you'll be chasing it across the table.
The tenon should NOT flex. The tenon and the front-end of the shaft should flex in unison (not individually) so as to get off the QB quickly.

Bottom line, it's your shaft. Do as you like.
 
JoeyInCali said:
My sizer for uncapped-threaded short with fat tenon kind.
I dunno who else does it this way.
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Looks good Joey.
Do you also make capped ferrules in the same length?

I would like mention that I put a radius at the tennon to the shaft and radius a clearance on the ferrule so that the face of the ferrule is true to the face of the face shaft.
Some makers just leve the tennon as a dowel when they glue on a ferrule.

Neil
 
tenon flex

KC Cues,

Thanks for the clarification of the tenon flex. (leverage)


I'm alittle slow at understanding new info. sometimes.


Your sharing your info. is greatly appreciated!




later,
sax
 
Sax,
Feel free to give me a call on your machine. There are some ways to allow you to cut more accurately.
 
I've been without a computer, for about week & have gone through withdrawal. Any how, I have recently made a new shaft for my personal playing Q. I am looking for a new ferrule material, because my old one is no longer made. The new shaft is 12.5 mm, 15 grain lines to the inch with a JUMA 1" long ferrule ( through hole). It has a Tiger,soft layered tip. I played with this combo for a month (2-3 hours a night, 4 nights a week). THEN I cut the ferrule off & put on a 1.125" long ferrule & a soft Tiger tip. Again I played with it for a month. Finally I cut that one off & replaced it with a 1,250" long ferrule & a Tiger Soft layered tip. I did this test because, I am looking for a new ferrule material, but also to test what benifits come from a shorter ferrule. Since 1986 all of my Qs have been made with a 1.250" long ferrule. At the end of this test, I can not find any advantages OR disadvantages in either length. However I have decided to go with the flow of shorter ferrules & will make all new Qs with a 1.125" long ferrule...JER
 
Ferrule Length

1/2 " length ferrule seems to be a lot more common.
Some of the low deflection shafts use the short ferrules.

Great thread


What do you think about the short 1/2" Ferrules?


later,
sax
 
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