Exactly!
And when John points out that Stevie and Landon are capable of making every shot using pro one he is proving my point.
My point I was making in the other thread is that pro one or cte is a method that relies on the subconscious mind to put you in position to make the shots. The subconscious needs to be studied by anyone who does not understand how it works. Anyone can find plenty of information on the web or in a library.
It's easy to group everything into the subconscious but then how do you account for misses? According to you and others throughout this seemingly endless debate it's all subconscious adjustment when we make shots but you never explain the misses?
You can also find much research on the web or in a library on CONSCIOUS action, deliberate action, conscious improvement by consciously changing one's methods or techniques.
Here is some food for thought. If all cuts to the right executed with pro one only have 5 visuals X 2 ways to pivot to take you exactly to "center ball," (as if center ball is one position), then there would be exactly 10 contact points capable between the cue ball and object ball. 5 x 2 equals 10 and 10 lines of aim are hardly enough to make every cut to the right.
You guys always go back to this. The answer is incredibly simple and yet you do not accept it. I have a video on this very thing.
The answer is that every single time you move either the object ball or the cue ball you must move your entire body to a new line. You have a new CTE line to start from. Using that new CTE line you orient yourself according to the system and you find that indeed there is a wide range of INDIVIDUAL shots for which the same set of visual perception works to acquire the shot line. There is no way around it, move the ball=new shot=new body position.
The truth is, everytime you move your head to the left or right the position of center ball changes, there is no one center ball when you are sweeping into the shot from an angle. The multitude of ut shots can be made with pro one bacause the mind makes minute adjustments in your body on the way down into the shot to try to align where you land correctly. The subconscious is miraculous in its ability to complete tasks like this, but it will make errors for new users along the way to being programmed for consistant success.
Wrong. In fact with very very very little exception you cannot make even two shots from the same body position without serious contortion. Minute head movements can result in the eyes leading the body to a different line than the actual centerball shot line but that line will be INCORRECT and the shooter must throw the object ball into the pocket. As stated above every shot is an individual shot so every shot requires it's own visual approach.
I can set up two shots side by side, one ball width apart and we can bet on whether you can make both from one stance position just by moving your head. Save your money because it's a lock that I will win.
Let me make this clear. I believe Pro one can be used successfully after many hours of programming. I know, Many of you users will claim that you use it effectively right now, but what I mean is that it will be able to be used like Landon uses it. It will take time for the subconscious to learn to position your body that consistantly though. My claim about dropping straight into the shot being better still stands. There is less variables to compute when your head and other bady parts are already on the line, therefore less programming for the sub, therefor great consistancy will come much faster.
You can make that claim but in fact if you don't know where the shot line is then you can't very well drop straight onto it now can you? If we all know where the line is then this whole discussion has no meaning. And yet there are 1500 ghost ball trainers out there to help people visualize the line - devices that they cannot use in a game. And yet despite the wonderful subconscious that is supposedly responsible for all of our successes we still miss the thin cuts, the slightly off angle long shots, the shots up the rail and so on even after having trained extensively with every ghost ball device out there and after having hit thousands of shots.
If aiming were as easy as dropping onto the line then there wouldn't be any discussion of it. No other methods would exist, good players like Stan and Phil and Darren and Ekkes and Stevie wouldn't even spend any time on aiming.
I think the reason so many new users like cte is because it is the first time they have experienced letting the subconscious do the real aiming. Before they were trying to consciously check to see if their parrallel system was matched up correctly once they were down on the shot, or they were making adjustments once they were down because it did not look like they were lined up to hit the ghost ball, or to create a half ball hit, or whatever. Everything was done consciously with conscious adjustments once they were down and now that they have a system that uses the subconscious they see more success. I do believe that even faster and greater success can be learned with a system that starts them off on the line of the shot. They just have to remember to trust their sub did its job once they drop into the shot and then pull the trigger.
You discount the work involved in learning and trusting the method. It's not something that comes easily to a lot of us. Very interesting that you think CTE is a doorway to the subconscious where the brain knows how to aim.
Well let's assume that it is.
Then it's the greatest possible tool for pool ever discovered. Case closed - learn CTE and let your subconscious take over. If you miss then your subconscious took a break, don't worry it will come back
Funny part is that the Hit-a-Million-Balls Ghost Ball Forever crew says that the subconscious is also zeros in on the aiming line after x-number of practice trial-and-error shots. Guess all roads lead to the subconscious eh?
I think that the subconscious needs to get some credit next time a pro wins a tournament. After all the pro made no conscious effort to win, the subconscious did it all while the pro was thinking about American Idol.....
Tongue-in-cheek of course Satori however the point I want to make which you might find if you try to learn CTE is that it's a very conscious and deliberate method which brings you to shot lines where your mind is screaming is not right and you have to force yourself to trust it only to find that indeed the line you think is wrong is in fact 100% correct.
Why is this? Well, because all your life you have been "seeing" the shot wrong but thinking it's right. Then you either make it with a little throw or you miss it when focusing on a straight stroke and wonder why?
We are aiming round balls into round balls. This is the fundamentally difficult task in pool. No one knows FOR SURE where the shot line is all the time. If they did then yeah, just drop in on that line and be done with it. There are only a few shots in pool where the shot line is known 100% - the straight in shot, the spot shot (half ball hit) - the rest are pretty much estimations if you are using a method like GB.
If you use CTE you aren't estimating the shot line at all. Not at all you don't even look for or see the shot line until you are down on the cue ball.
That is the fundamental difference and because it's a formula that guides you there it's not guessing (pure feel) and not subconscious adjustment into an unknown. It's pure reliance on an objective measure for 100% repeatable results.
At least this is my experience in the CTE journey so far.
