Hi I use the predator z shaft with the 11.75 mm tip I only play barbox.So was wondering if I could get away with using the big 3.25 tip. I dont draw alot since usually the table is with a aramith green logo cue ball(rock).But need to know I can draw if I need to.I was hoping with the big tip it would take away some mistakes of unwanted english.
predator 314-2 fat shaft users
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The large tip will be a little more forgiving. If you can shoot a good draw with the small tip you should have no problem with a larger tip.
You may want to experiment with hardness of the tip too as that can affect english.
You may want to experiment with hardness of the tip too as that can affect english.
I have decent draw but Ive been changing my style to alot more stun shots and more follow and only extreme draw when absolutely needed,just too many miscues and easier to judge my follow.
You are on the right track in my opinion. Over the years I have found that follow is my friend.
I have a 314-2 FAT Shaft and it works well on a bar table with the 13.25mm tips. For what it's worth, the best I ever played on bar tables was using a 14mm tip. I used to order all my cues with 14mm tips up until the most recent few I bought.
The only way you can take away mistakes from unwanted english is to fix your stroke.
You cannot buy better cue ball control.
Unless you count buying a DVD that has suggestions for fixing your stroke.
I don't know who started the myth that a larger tip is somehow more forgiving, but it's not. It probably came from someone misreading and overthinking info that was meant to demonstrate something else entirely.
For many reasons, a smaller tip size makes applying english either, though you can apply spin with either. See this link for more info: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue_tip.html#size
If you don't like how the small tip feels or whatever, you can just switch. You don't need any special excuse or our permission. But if you are truly looking for something to help improve your game... stop looking at equipment and start looking at instructional material.
You cannot buy better cue ball control.
Unless you count buying a DVD that has suggestions for fixing your stroke.
I don't know who started the myth that a larger tip is somehow more forgiving, but it's not. It probably came from someone misreading and overthinking info that was meant to demonstrate something else entirely.
For many reasons, a smaller tip size makes applying english either, though you can apply spin with either. See this link for more info: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue_tip.html#size
If you don't like how the small tip feels or whatever, you can just switch. You don't need any special excuse or our permission. But if you are truly looking for something to help improve your game... stop looking at equipment and start looking at instructional material.
thanks for the reply but I've read many article about different size tips.My stroke isnt terrible ,I run a rack here and there just looking to maximise my style that doesnt use alot of english so if a larger tip will help that ocasional miscue or unwanted english but still get adequate draw I'll try it.I'm not dissing your response just tailoring to what I'm good at.
also I should have added my shaft is kinda old and has a very small crack in the ferrule(that u can only hear not see) so gonna get either the same size 11.75 tip z shaft or try something new to me the 314-2 fat shaft.But I'm not asking permision.thanks again.I do break with my playing stick also(might be the reason for the crack,oouucchh
Yeah, if you buy a new stick, maybe it should be a break stick :shocked:
I get what you're saying, to me it sounds like you don't trust your stick. I would definitely be jittery trying to use one that had a little crack in it, even if it seemed to hit ok. That can get in your head.
So if you don't trust your stick, it's time to get a new one. But forget the whole "style" thing. It's overthinking things and it can actually hold your game back. If you stick to one shaft for a long time you develop great touch with it. But if you keep switching you lose that touch and gotta learn it all over again.
You really don't need to change taper or diameter or tip hardness etc., not unless those things are really bugging you and causing you to miss. I owned a Z2 fat shaft for a while and there's no advantage to it. You don't get better spin, or worse spin, or less miscues, or more miscues. About all it does is affect feel and IMO make it a little harder to see where you're hitting the cue ball.
For miscues especially, it's 99% user error even though people like to think it's the tip or the chalk or 13mm vs 11mm or nickel radius vs dime radius. People don't want to admit they just tried to do too much with the cue ball and paid the price. If you get the fat shaft but don't change anything about your game... trust me, you'll miscue or accidentally spin balls just as much.
I get what you're saying, to me it sounds like you don't trust your stick. I would definitely be jittery trying to use one that had a little crack in it, even if it seemed to hit ok. That can get in your head.
So if you don't trust your stick, it's time to get a new one. But forget the whole "style" thing. It's overthinking things and it can actually hold your game back. If you stick to one shaft for a long time you develop great touch with it. But if you keep switching you lose that touch and gotta learn it all over again.
You really don't need to change taper or diameter or tip hardness etc., not unless those things are really bugging you and causing you to miss. I owned a Z2 fat shaft for a while and there's no advantage to it. You don't get better spin, or worse spin, or less miscues, or more miscues. About all it does is affect feel and IMO make it a little harder to see where you're hitting the cue ball.
For miscues especially, it's 99% user error even though people like to think it's the tip or the chalk or 13mm vs 11mm or nickel radius vs dime radius. People don't want to admit they just tried to do too much with the cue ball and paid the price. If you get the fat shaft but don't change anything about your game... trust me, you'll miscue or accidentally spin balls just as much.