If you are an A B or C player
- Thread starter Joe T
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Absolutely
How would a lower ranked player know they are being taught something if they don't pay attention. Really easy to miss the finest points of high level play. Do you expect the "pro" to stop and say watch this?
Lyn
You can watch the pro run rack after rack, and learn a few things if you're paying attention.
But how much would they expect to improve if that's all that was happening, and the pro wasn't specifically teaching them anything?
I think lots of players are nervous if they play truly superior players only occasionally. So the more you do it, the better your nerves should be in such matches.
I would agree with that.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I doubt a weaker player is going to make much improvement in their game just by watching the pro run out. Now if the weaker player is shooting a shot, and the pro says "wait, don't do that, do this instead." Well then the weaker player can improve, provided they pay attention and can remember what the pro said for future use.
I've played plenty of players that are much better than I am, and I learned the most from the ones that gave advice afterwards. Not really lessons, but more just little tips.
Joe,
Sign me up! I'm a South Shore MA guy that can be at Snookers in 40 minutes. Can be at Westgate in 12 minutes if that is easier. I would love an opportunity to test your theory and pay the rates you are talking about. I would be more than happy to pay over your stated rates and take care of table time while you figure this project out. Send me a PM if you would like to use me as a sounding board. Thanks.
Sign me up! I'm a South Shore MA guy that can be at Snookers in 40 minutes. Can be at Westgate in 12 minutes if that is easier. I would love an opportunity to test your theory and pay the rates you are talking about. I would be more than happy to pay over your stated rates and take care of table time while you figure this project out. Send me a PM if you would like to use me as a sounding board. Thanks.
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Only if the game was One Pocket. I don't see where you learn much in playing him or her 9ball. If the game was 8ball you could watch the order in which they run the table while you sit and never get a shot. But in 1P you could really learn how to move out of trouble and put people in jams.--Smitty
I believe it only does harm to your game to play a guy you know you can't beat.
If you know you can't beat them then simply watch them play someone else and figure out why you can't beat them then practice until you feel you have a chance.
The only exception is if you are getting coached during the play.
If you know you can't beat them then simply watch them play someone else and figure out why you can't beat them then practice until you feel you have a chance.
The only exception is if you are getting coached during the play.
Yep. If the opposite were true, then everyone that watches pros play (live or on the net) would be much better than they are.
Playing the pro should be a goal that you strive for. I'm not saying that you should only play people that you know you are favored against because I do believe that it is sometimes good to test yourself against players who are favored. But you should at least know that if you play good you have a chance to win.
B or C players have no business on the table with a world class player. It does them no good imo if they are competative. They can watch and learn without the mental and emotional damage. Plus, they can save the costs.
B or C players have no business on the table with a world class player. It does them no good imo if they are competative. They can watch and learn without the mental and emotional damage. Plus, they can save the costs.
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It's not rocket science
Most humans must be told 8 times before they remember what they were told.
Most lower level players have a tendency to watch the ball go in the pocket,
not looking at the overall rack and what the player is doing...stroke etc.
Remember the 8 time rule for most of us.
If you want to improve it's basically a template.
Find the stance for you and all the basic mechanics. Repeat them until they become second nature.
Learn the 4 strokes and all the variations of each one through stroke technique in increments of 3 (distance=short, medium, long) Hours on the table and repetitve strokes until your arm falls off. Muscle memory and the 8 time rule are in full bloom now.
Add as much knowledge as you can from anywhere you can acquire it and try it out ( apply it).Game play cant be taught for you to remember everything involved.You can't watch Shane run 10 racks and think you are coming out a better player because of it, while you sit there star struck. Pick up what you can and let your own brain do it's thinking. Now you have something working.
Play up 1 or 2 levels,, and down 1 level. It's ok to play a top player on occasion as long as you know what to look for.
You improve when your arm is in motion not while you are sitting in the chair drinking a bottle of water getting ready to rack.
It will not hurt to play top players but I wouldn't make a habit of it.(walk,trot,run)
While he is running out and his muscle memory is getting even stronger and in tune yours is sitting there Stale and cold picking up a bottle of water.
If you do play top players and they show you something,,,,get to a table and practice it at least 8 times....or just look at him and say...I will not remember that next week but thanks for the tip
Most humans must be told 8 times before they remember what they were told.
Most lower level players have a tendency to watch the ball go in the pocket,
not looking at the overall rack and what the player is doing...stroke etc.
Remember the 8 time rule for most of us.
If you want to improve it's basically a template.
Find the stance for you and all the basic mechanics. Repeat them until they become second nature.
Learn the 4 strokes and all the variations of each one through stroke technique in increments of 3 (distance=short, medium, long) Hours on the table and repetitve strokes until your arm falls off. Muscle memory and the 8 time rule are in full bloom now.
Add as much knowledge as you can from anywhere you can acquire it and try it out ( apply it).Game play cant be taught for you to remember everything involved.You can't watch Shane run 10 racks and think you are coming out a better player because of it, while you sit there star struck. Pick up what you can and let your own brain do it's thinking. Now you have something working.
Play up 1 or 2 levels,, and down 1 level. It's ok to play a top player on occasion as long as you know what to look for.
You improve when your arm is in motion not while you are sitting in the chair drinking a bottle of water getting ready to rack.
It will not hurt to play top players but I wouldn't make a habit of it.(walk,trot,run)
While he is running out and his muscle memory is getting even stronger and in tune yours is sitting there Stale and cold picking up a bottle of water.
If you do play top players and they show you something,,,,get to a table and practice it at least 8 times....or just look at him and say...I will not remember that next week but thanks for the tip
You don't have to watch anyone to know why you can't beat them, if you KNOW you can't beat them, it means they play better. Not a lot to practice, make shots, play position, learn safeties. You don't really practice to beat a single player. Once the game goes up, you can play anyone in the higher bracket.
Not playing someone till you think you can beat them is a bit silly I think. It's the type of thinking that causes bar bangers to exclude players from tournamets soon as they see that they can make more than 2 shots in a row on purpose.
Ill play you whenever Peter post!!! Lol joe I will pay the $20 all day.
Joe T
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I wanna thank everyone for responding even if I didn't paint a crystal clear picture. I totally understand the C player concerns. This one response took it a little of course as I said $20 once per week for a 2-3hrs match, not 2hrs for $40.
On the other hand, two C players sitting on the rail making New Year resolutions. One says I'm gonna practice 10hrs per week this year, the other says "me too". I'm going to get a few books, tapes and youtube it a little more too to find a few new nuggets each week, Me too. I'm gonna play that other C player Charlie $20 sets every week he plays our speed, Me too but before I play Charlie every week the day before I'm gonna play a real strong player for 2-3hrs for $20.
Who we gonna bet on at the end of the year?
Once again thanks EVERYONE, I'll try to paint a clearer picture for ya next week
On the other hand, two C players sitting on the rail making New Year resolutions. One says I'm gonna practice 10hrs per week this year, the other says "me too". I'm going to get a few books, tapes and youtube it a little more too to find a few new nuggets each week, Me too. I'm gonna play that other C player Charlie $20 sets every week he plays our speed, Me too but before I play Charlie every week the day before I'm gonna play a real strong player for 2-3hrs for $20.
Who we gonna bet on at the end of the year?
Once again thanks EVERYONE, I'll try to paint a clearer picture for ya next week