Restricted woods, and legalities.

jhanso18

jhanso18

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Does any one have experience use woods that are endangered and/or restricted to use. I have access to wood, that has already been in use for about 60-100 years in a different piece. The said wood is usable, but the rest of the Table is not. Should be able get usable pieces in a 2"x2" give or take a little, in various lengths.

Can I sell and/or use these pieces of wood in a different project?


Thanks,

Justin
 
restriced wood

"I have access to wood, that has already been in use for about 60-100 years in a different piece."

I do not know of any wood that is as old as you say that cannot be used
legally.



jhanso18 said:
Does any one have experience use woods that are endangered and/or restricted to use. I have access to wood, that has already been in use for about 60-100 years in a different piece. The said wood is usable, but the rest of the Table is not. Should be able get usable pieces in a 2"x2" give or take a little, in various lengths.

Can I sell and/or use these pieces of wood in a different project?


Thanks,

Justin
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I tried to post this earlier this morning but AZB kept locking-up.
Oh well, anyway........

I can see no reason why you couldn't.
60-100 yrs is way before the CITES Treaty. The same would apply to ivory, pre-ban.
Just an observation, 2x2 is a waste of wood, particularly if it's precious.

KJ
 
KJ Cues said:
I tried to post this earlier this morning but AZB kept locking-up.
Oh well, anyway........

I can see no reason why you couldn't.
60-100 yrs is way before the CITES Treaty. The same would apply to ivory, pre-ban.
Just an observation, 2x2 is a waste of wood, particularly if it's precious.

KJ
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it's just over 2x2 sections that would be usable. It's a Table that is pretty beat up, but has some usable parts. IDK what to do with it, a family friend is burning it if I don't want it. I'll pry just go get it and see if it's even usable first.
 
I've used 150 year old tiger maple from a useless table. It looked great but still warped. Got to core tiger. Unless you are shipping the wood internationally, there won't be any problem.
 
Well, there went my coffee, Lol
150 yrs old and it still moved. That's amazing.
I mean, to retain that amount of stress for that amount of time, simply amazing.
Even spring-steel gives up after a period of time.

Thanx Paul, always appreciate your posts.

KJ
 
KJ Cues said:
Well, there went my coffee, Lol
150 yrs old and it still moved. That's amazing.
I mean, to retain that amount of stress for that amount of time, simply amazing.
Even spring-steel gives up after a period of time.

Thanx Paul, always appreciate your posts.

KJ
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Couldn't it be new stress? Turning, temp and humidity changes? New stress and not "retained" stress?


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Chopdoc said:
Couldn't it be new stress? Turning, temp and humidity changes? New stress and not "retained" stress?


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Yeah, I wonder about that too. For instance, I received a coco and BEM spliced butt from Chris a while back. He had last turned it 15 years or more ago, he said. It was straight when I received it. I let it hang in my shop for a couple of months to acclimate, pulled it down to turn and BINGO, it had moved. I was able to turn it and now it seems to be holding.
Agreed, 15 yrs isn't 60-100, but geez, you'd think it would stay put!!

My 2 cents,

Gary

P.S. That was not an off-handed jab at Chris, but I included that bit of info as evidence that the butt I received was indeed a quality piece of wood from a great supplier.
 
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Chopdoc said:
Couldn't it be new stress? Turning, temp and humidity changes? New stress and not "retained" stress?


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Not likely.
The stress is retained in the wood and as the outside layers, which are holding the stress in check, are peeled away,
any internal stress now has greater freedom to cause the wood to move. The stress is relieving itself.
Take Gary's example. It was straight when he got it, after hanging 15 yrs and after a few cuts, it decides to move.
Had he not cut it, it would have stayed straight. He peeled away the outside layers, the stress retainers.
This is a strong arguement for taking small cuts over an extended period of time.
The wood may very well move during this process but that doesn't mean it's trash.
The closer you get to usable diameter and it's still moving, time to start thinking trash.
Wood movement doesn't happen quickly/immediately. It takes time to show itself.
The longer you can let it hang, the better. 'Cue-maker's time' is very valid for this reason.
You can rush the build but you may not like the results.

KJ
 
I have been doing some house mods, and now have some 500-600 year old timber.
But it is stressed to hell and back. It is going take a long tome to get it where it can be used in cues though. It is NZ native heart timber.Some of the wood has been cut for over 100 years.
 
If you are concerned about it take a picture of the table and take some pictures of your building process showing you cutting it into squares and such and I think you would be safe after that.
 
I'm not a cue maker but I thought I'd chime in with a somewhat related, somewhat interesting note. I do granite countertops, mostly 3 cm thick, and we always have to cut into slabs. Plunging into the middle and cutting to the outside can be catastrophic as the stone will shift while cutting and bind up on the blade. And the granite is thousands of years old!
 
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