C J Wylie controversy and TOI

[one stroke]

this is what I wish I had more of, touch/feel. If I play 30-40 hours a week my touch and feel come back good and my game is much better-specifcally speed control.

I think some of the systems cut down the need for practice time,,, if you have a pre shot routine that is solid fundamentally the rest falls into place much quicker in all sports pool is no exception , if your tinking with your set up its highly unlikly you touch and feel will be spot on.



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[dougster26]

C.J. or whoever knows,
I'm sure you covered this in your preview stuff but I missed it. I might
be the only one on this site that doesn't know what center to edge
means. And shoot every shot like a straight in. When I tried TOI, I just
aimed at the close edge of the pocket with a little inside and hit it firm.
Had pretty good results but reading this C to E and all straight in, I think
maybe what I am doing may not be right. If you explain it on one of the
previews that is still available I would like to see it, while I wait on the
DVD to arrive. I ordered the DVD when it first became available and can
wait for it to arrive but I don't want to. I might be able to trap some sucker before it gets here.
Thanks jack

Jack,

CJ isn't advocating the CTE system. That is an entirely different system from what he is teaching. His first video, Ultimate Pool Secrets, has a section that explains his system. I highly recommend that you get a copy of it. Your game will jump by leaps and bounds from all that he is teaching. Hope I haven't confused you but it is a portion of the cue ball that is aimed at either the center or the edge of the OB.

My game has increased tremendously from reading CJs posts and buying his DVDs. Still waiting on the TOI which I have ordered. We are extremely fortunate to have him on AZBilliards. I have asked him questions and he has responded very quick.

Hope this helps.

Doug

 

[CJ Wiley]

.it's the "nutz"

C.J. or whoever knows,
I'm sure you covered this in your preview stuff but I missed it. I might
be the only one on this site that doesn't know what center to edge
means. And shoot every shot like a straight in. When I tried TOI, I just
aimed at the close edge of the pocket with a little inside and hit it firm.
Had pretty good results but reading this C to E and all straight in, I think
maybe what I am doing may not be right. If you explain it on one of the
previews that is still available I would like to see it, while I wait on the
DVD to arrive. I ordered the DVD when it first became available and can
wait for it to arrive but I don't want to. I might be able to trap some sucker before it gets here.
Thanks jack

Hey there, Jack, glad you could take time off from designing the next best chalk holder to work on your pool game. I know you're going to really like this technique and I"m going to send you some suggestions on PM to help you get started. Let everyone know how it goes after a day or two of what I'm getting ready to tell you....it's the "nutz".

 

[jackpot]

Thanks C.J.

C.J.
Thanks, I will watch it tonight. I would love to watch it right now but
we are are raising our 7 yr. old grandson and he would be in here sharking
me every 15 minutes. It's hard enough designing my dream chalk holder
let alone watch a video. I will report on how it worked for me tomorrow
evening. I hope they let me play 3 hrs. and don't run he off sooner for
wearing out the pockets.
CCHFJ (custom chalk holders forever jack)

 

[CJ Wiley]

enough to get you started

C.J.
Thanks, I will watch it tonight. I would love to watch it right now but
we are are raising our 7 yr. old grandson and he would be in here sharking
me every 15 minutes. It's hard enough designing my dream chalk holder
let alone watch a video. I will report on how it worked for me tomorrow
evening. I hope they let me play 3 hrs. and don't run he off sooner for
wearing out the pockets.
CCHFJ (custom chalk holders forever jack)

It's enough to get you started. We're sure getting amazing results, and I have a sneaking suspicion you will too. I still think it's funny that I borrowed that cue from you and finished with two thirds and a second in 3 Major tournaments.....the first one I beat Francisco Bustemante in his first USA tournament.....13/12 - now that was a

"gun fight" - Enjoy your day and SHOOT STRAIGHT WHEN YOU PLAY....'The Game is Our Teacher'

 

[RedEyeJedi]

I'll take "The CJ Challenge" and give it a month of hard work and dedication. Just watched the PPV, going to hit the garage and try this out. Finally have a pool table, finally able to take practicing seriously without interruption.

The whole idea of TOI rings so many bells in my head. I keep thinking, hey, when I had no clue of what I was doing on the table, and I whipped in the dumbest low-percentage shots effortlessly, I remember aiming at the edge or sometimes center with a touch of inside.

Then I "grew up" from that simplicity (as most of us do), decided to try more diverse pastures, and have so many variances to so many of my shots, how I 'prefer' to hit them can be so different from one shot to the next -- I'm getting nowhere fast, and I keep hitting the same extreme peaks and valleys in my game.

Here's to hoping! Thanks for the knowledge, CJ!

 

[CJ Wiley]

The game immediately became fun again and now I look forward to playing

I'll take "The CJ Challenge" and give it a month of hard work and dedication. Just watched the PPV, going to hit the garage and try this out. Finally have a pool table, finally able to take practicing seriously without interruption.

The whole idea of TOI rings so many bells in my head. I keep thinking, hey, when I had no clue of what I was doing on the table, and I whipped in the dumbest low-percentage shots effortlessly, I remember aiming at the edge or sometimes center with a touch of inside.

Then I "grew up" from that simplicity (as most of us do), decided to try more diverse pastures, and have so many variances to so many of my shots, how I 'prefer' to hit them can be so different from one shot to the next -- I'm getting nowhere fast, and I keep hitting the same extreme peaks and valleys in my game.

Here's to hoping! Thanks for the knowledge, CJ!

Yes, I went though the same things when I came back from a 8 year sabbatical in the nightclub business. Running Carsons Palace got my mind completely off pool for many years and when I came back I "forgot" many of things I used to do naturally.

This ended up being a "Blessing in disguise," because I took on the challenge

of learning exactly what I did when I was in "Dead Stroke" and that's when I uncovered the "secret formula" to the Touch of Inside.

The game immediately became fun again and now I look forward to playing, I just need to line up some opponents. I wanted to go to the Derby, however, the release of the TOI video became a full time job answering literally hundreds of questions and responding to comments from all over the world.

I'm glad you're enjoying and benefiting from these efforts and I'm grateful to share this knowledge, let me know if you need any assistance, I can always be reached at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com Aloha my friend, CJ Wiley

 

[victorl]

Hi CJ,

You asked me to keep you updated on my progress with toi and it's only been a couple days, but I'm excited to share my findings, so here are a couple of short videos I took from practice today.

Here's a common shot that has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.
After fooling around with toi, I've found that it a lot easier to make the ball AND get shape consistently than using the usual low outside spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj02_N8HSzY

Using draw with toi, I feel like I can hit the ball firm no matter the angle, pocket the ball more cleanly on tight pockets (still working on that part) and have the cue ball float down for perfect position. I've gone from fearing the shot to wanting to shoot it for hours on end.

The second video is a runout playing 12-ball. I made a point to shoot every shot with toi, (except the 5 and the 12 where I added a little spin).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNJ2Id3hNU

I can't explain it but using the same spin everytime, helps me get into my rhythym.
Right now, I tend to come up short for shape (maybe not used to being able to shoot so firm) and am still not confident enough to use it on very long shots and shooting from the rail. I would to hear your thoughts and any advice you have on how to address these issues.

Many thanks,
Vic

 

[duckie]

Hi CJ,

You asked me to keep you updated on my progress with toi and it's only been a couple days, but I'm excited to share my findings, so here are a couple of short videos I took from practice today.

Here's a common shot that has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.
After fooling around with toi, I've found that it a lot easier to make the ball AND get shape consistently than using the usual low outside spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj02_N8HSzY

Using draw with toi, I feel like I can hit the ball firm no matter the angle, pocket the ball more cleanly on tight pockets (still working on that part) and have the cue ball float down for perfect position. I've gone from fearing the shot to wanting to shoot it for hours on end.

The second video is a runout playing 12-ball. I made a point to shoot every shot with toi, (except the 5 and the 12 where I added a little spin).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNJ2Id3hNU

I can't explain it but using the same spin everytime, helps me get into my rhythym.
Right now, I tend to come up short for shape (maybe not used to being able to shoot so firm) and am still not confident enough to use it on very long shots and shooting from the rail. I would to hear your thoughts and any advice you have on how to address these issues.

Many thanks,
Vic

Take the shot in you are doing in the first video, place a ball on the short rail above the ball you are shooting. Then get shape on that ball afteas sking the shot. Your next ball is not always down at the other end of the table.

Plus, the way the ball was coming off the side rail, there was no way any form of inside was used, not even a touch.

There is no way to use the same spin on every shot.

 

[West Point 1987]

Hi CJ,

You asked me to keep you updated on my progress with toi and it's only been a couple days, but I'm excited to share my findings, so here are a couple of short videos I took from practice today.

Here's a common shot that has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.
After fooling around with toi, I've found that it a lot easier to make the ball AND get shape consistently than using the usual low outside spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj02_N8HSzY

Using draw with toi, I feel like I can hit the ball firm no matter the angle, pocket the ball more cleanly on tight pockets (still working on that part) and have the cue ball float down for perfect position. I've gone from fearing the shot to wanting to shoot it for hours on end.

The second video is a runout playing 12-ball. I made a point to shoot every shot with toi, (except the 5 and the 12 where I added a little spin).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNJ2Id3hNU

I can't explain it but using the same spin everytime, helps me get into my rhythym.
Right now, I tend to come up short for shape (maybe not used to being able to shoot so firm) and am still not confident enough to use it on very long shots and shooting from the rail. I would to hear your thoughts and any advice you have on how to address these issues.

Many thanks,
Vic

Vic:

Nicely done! This stuff is the nuts, ain't it?

 

[Houstoer]

I get a little confused on shots down the rail. Is the inside edge the edge closer to the inside of the table or the rail? Sounds stupid I know but i have to try to think about it every time. thanks

 

[victorl]

Thanks for your opinion, Duckie.

I have to disagree, though.

I'm not saying I use the same spin on every shot. I'm using the same amount of inside spin on most shots, and using the vertical axis to get the shape I need.

For example, in the first video, if the next ball was at the other end of the table, I would just use top with a bit of inside and float up for shape.

 

[victorl]

I get a little confused on shots down the rail. Is the inside edge the edge closer to the inside of the table or the rail? Sounds stupid I know but i have to try to think about it every time. thanks

Inside would be the side of the cue ball that is on the same side of the cut. For example when cutting to the left, the inside edge would be the left edge.

 

[peteypooldude]

Take the shot in you are doing in the first video, place a ball on the short rail above the ball you are shooting. Then get shape on that ball afteas sking the shot. Your next ball is not always down at the other end of the table.

Plus, the way the ball was coming off the side rail, there was no way any form of inside was used, not even a touch.

There is no way to use the same spin on every shot.

TOI is not spin
Sounds like your commenting without understanding what your commenting about. Nothing new

 

[CJ Wiley]

There are now literally hundreds of players using it and discovering the benefit

Hi CJ,

You asked me to keep you updated on my progress with toi and it's only been a couple days, but I'm excited to share my findings, so here are a couple of short videos I took from practice today.

Here's a common shot that has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.
After fooling around with toi, I've found that it a lot easier to make the ball AND get shape consistently than using the usual low outside spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj02_N8HSzY

Using draw with toi, I feel like I can hit the ball firm no matter the angle, pocket the ball more cleanly on tight pockets (still working on that part) and have the cue ball float down for perfect position. I've gone from fearing the shot to wanting to shoot it for hours on end.

The second video is a runout playing 12-ball. I made a point to shoot every shot with toi, (except the 5 and the 12 where I added a little spin).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNJ2Id3hNU

I can't explain it but using the same spin everytime, helps me get into my rhythym.
Right now, I tend to come up short for shape (maybe not used to being able to shoot so firm) and am still not confident enough to use it on very long shots and shooting from the rail. I would to hear your thoughts and any advice you have on how to address these issues.

Many thanks,
Vic

It's amazing isn't it, and the more you use your one TOI shot the better you will play. Like I say in the video, it's impossible to master every shot, however, I've seen countless players master one.

Using this to your advantage makes the game so much easier and it's satisfying to start hitting the true center of the pocket with TOI. I'll never play any other way, after hitting the "heavy ball" you "real eyes" how difficult the "other way of playing" really was.

What you are beginning to find, Vic, is an ability to "cheat the pocket" that you never had before (using spin). With the understanding of the 3 Part Pocket System you have much more of an ability to alter the cue ball after contact (with the object ball). This will automatically give you more flexibility when you get out of line or on the "wrong side of the ball".

You also can see why you MUST experience this to understand it, It's funny to see the people that refuse (to put forth the effort to experience it) still scoffing at it. There are now literally hundreds of players using it and discovering the benefit from the TOI Technique at this time.

The testimonials are rolling in every day of players games going up several levels and most important they're having more FUN playing the game of pool. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

the sound the cue ball makes and the object ball hitting the pocket......POP!!!

I get a little confused on shots down the rail. Is the inside edge the edge closer to the inside of the table or the rail? Sounds stupid I know but i have to try to think about it every time. thanks

I"m not 100% sure what you're asking. The only thing to remember is when cutting to the right, cue it to the right, when cutting to the left, cue it to the left. If you are undercutting the shot, cue it more inside, or hit it firmer, and if you're over cutting the shot, cue it "less TOI".

I rarely see players hit this shot "too firm," as a matter of fact the harder you hit it, the more accurate it will generally be.

I use this technique during gambling matches and hit the ball harder and harder until it "clicks". My opponent has often commented that he felt like he got "beat up" after a session with me using the TOI on him. You can see me using it here STEVE MIZERAK vs CJ WILEY

It definitely makes a difference, especially the sound the cue ball makes, and the object ball hitting the pocket......POP!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[sigep1967]

I"m not 100% sure what you're asking. The only thing to remember is when cutting to the right, cue it to the right, when cutting to the left, cue it to the left. If you are undercutting the shot, cue it more inside, or hit it firmer, and if you're over cutting the shot, cue it "less TOI".

I rarely see players hit this shot "too firm," as a matter of fact the harder you hit it, the more accurate it will generally be.

I use this technique during gambling matches and hit the ball harder and harder until it "clicks". My opponent has often commented that he felt like he got "beat up" after a session with me using the TOI on him. You can see me using it here STEVE MIZERAK vs CJ WILEY

It definitely makes a difference, especially the sound the cue ball makes, and the object ball hitting the pocket......POP!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'

I have been playing around with this for the last week or two and no doubt the firmer you hit it the more accurate it is. I had really good practice session yesterday using TOI where it just started "clicking" seemed to be able to get shape effortlessly and ball going in without thinking. sure I missed some usually on table length shots but the way the cue ball moves around the table is fasinating.

 

[Houstoer]

I"m not 100% sure what you're asking. The only thing to remember is when cutting to the right, cue it to the right, when cutting to the left, cue it to the left. If you are undercutting the shot, cue it more inside, or hit it firmer, and if you're over cutting the shot, cue it "less TOI".

I rarely see players hit this shot "too firm," as a matter of fact the harder you hit it, the more accurate it will generally be.

I use this technique during gambling matches and hit the ball harder and harder until it "clicks". My opponent has often commented that he felt like he got "beat up" after a session with me using the TOI on him. You can see me using it here STEVE MIZERAK vs CJ WILEY

It definitely makes a difference, especially the sound the cue ball makes, and the object ball hitting the pocket......POP!!! 'The Game is the Teacher'

thanks CJ. I understand the TOI just get a little confused on balls on or near the rail with the cue ball up table. Say put the whitey on the middle spot used for breaking. Put the OB down table on or near rail on the right hand side. For this type of shot am I looking to hit the TOI on the right side or left side of the cue ball? Anyone?

 

[motic]

CJ, do you use TOI for one pocket, banks, straight pool? I really can't see myself using a TOI for playing one pocket.

 

[Luxury]

I watched the ppv yesterday and I have a question. CJ, are you using a high deflection shaft? I use a low deflection shaft and for me to get the needed deflection I have to hit really hard.