Brutal Rolls - Bad Beats

Damn that's a nasty piece of bad luck.

Always stings to make the kick and then end up with no reward, or (as in this case) actual punishment.
 
Scratch been there since day one!

That's why I never kick that ball in. Well, not really...It is actually coz I got nothin!
 
That's the story of my pool life: the more difficult the shot, the more likely I am to scratch (but only if I pocket the OB). Like Dennis, my CB usually goes 3 rails before finding a pocket...just to prolong my misery.
 
Of course, I always believe that a good, difficult shot, should be rewarded. Sometimes, you get punished as Orcullo did there and it's all a part of the game, unfortunately.

I ran from the 1 out in a game of 10 ball the other day, on the hill. Sank the 10 ball, table roll kicked in and went straight into the side pocket. It sucked!
 
Hi John,

I had a run of those last night in my individual money league. It seems like you can't even enjoy a 'great' shot for any more than 2 to 3 seconds if that long before the pleasure is made to disappear by the pool gods.

If it's not a scratch, it's a snooker. I have come to think that many times our focus goes so much into executing the difficult shot, that even if we do consider shape our last focus goes to the shot & the cue ball control gets away in some fashion & ends in the scratch or the snooker.

Or...It could just be bad Karma.

I could not green rep you yet, but your 'apology thread' was that of one who has learned to walk a different road.

When are we going to see the whole family with the new addition in your avitar?

Best Regards & Best Wishes to You & Your Entire Family.
 
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I rarely use the term "Bad Roll" for a shot that I hit. I usually consider it a bad roll if my opponent dogs a ball by half a diamond and hooks me, but not when I overrun shape and hook myself or scratch. Thats a bad shot. Dennis hit that shot too hard and overran shape on the 2 ball by a mile anyway. His ball went exactly where he hit it.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
I rarely use the term "Bad Roll" for a shot that I hit. I usually consider it a bad roll if my opponent dogs a ball by half a diamond and hooks me, but not when I overrun shape and hook myself or scratch. Thats a bad shot. Dennis hit that shot too hard and overran shape on the 2 ball by a mile anyway. His ball went exactly where he hit it.
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For the most part, I agree, but...

I always try to tell myself that luck isn't a factor once I'm at the table, but there are always going to be shots where I take a calculated risk and come out on the wrong end of it. There is a limit on how precisely a shot can be played, especially when going multiple rails and taking table conditions into consideration, and there are going to be times where your only option is to take a chance, especially if you're playing an opponent capable of playing good defense and locking you up.

In the case of Orcullo's shot, I agree with you that he either did not hit it the way he intended to or did not think it through.
 
I think any time you hit a ball hard enough to touch 5 rails, you're kind of rolling the dice.

Then again, there are a lot variables. Sometimes your kick catches the ball very thinly, especially if you didn't mean to play the 2nd rail before contact... keeping a lot more speed than expected.

My favorite youtube comment on this video is this:

Filipinofighter1 malapit na ang Jay Swanson Tour sa 23 & 24 punta ako dyan sa Bellflower Hard times, pakilala ka pogi gusto kung makilala yung magaling na tumalo kay Earl Strickland and $15k...
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I feel like if I just knew three words of tagalog I could totally read this whole comment.
 
Matt said:
For the most part, I agree, but...

I always try to tell myself that luck isn't a factor once I'm at the table, but there are always going to be shots where I take a calculated risk and come out on the wrong end of it. There is a limit on how precisely a shot can be played, especially when going multiple rails and taking table conditions into consideration, and there are going to be times where your only option is to take a chance, especially if you're playing an opponent capable of playing good defense and locking you up.

In the case of Orcullo's shot, I agree with you that he either did not hit it the way he intended to or did not think it through.
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Boy you guys are mean. Orcullo had a tough kick that he had to hit with speed to have any chance to move up table if he made the ball. He wasn't guaranteed position even if he made it. But for the cue ball to thread the needle and not hit any other ball to go three rails and scratch in the side was a brutal roll. Especially on that open air slow table.
 
when kick shots are hit hard, nobody knows where the cue ball is truly going to be. i've seen so many kick shots end up in scratches, i no longer think they are bad rolls. more like a fifty-fifty proposotion and in some shots higher odds.
 
Hector3cushion said:
when kick shots are hit hard, nobody knows where the cue ball is truly going to be. i've seen so many kick shots end up in scratches, i no longer think they are bad rolls. more like a fifty-fifty proposotion and in some shots higher odds.
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That's true, but I think the opposite, I think if you are going for a hail-mary then it's a good roll if it works out and a bad roll if it doesn't. In this case, I think it was a bad roll. :-)
 
JB Cases said:
That's true, but I think the opposite, I think if you are going for a hail-mary then it's a good roll if it works out and a bad roll if it doesn't. In this case, I think it was a bad roll. :-)
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I consider that a bad roll as well. I think another way to look at it is this: on many hail-mary shots, you're losing the cueball, either because it's a thin cut or the distance/angle demands most of your focus on making the shot, and little attention to spare for shape. When you lose the cueball, bad things happen.

Or consider the positional hail-mary shots, where you're traveling many cushions to land in a tight spot, maybe running into balls to land on a coin. The bad roll is built into this type of shot, but it can still be considered a bad roll.

-roger
 
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