Looking for Opinions

Hey Oki

To be honest I am pretty astouned that there so many knowledgable guys here and apart from one/two posters no one seems to recognize you real problem!

1) You are left eye dominant - your head is not level (tilted to the left) which leads to a different perception of a straight line. Experement with taking your cue stick more between your eyes but still having yoúr nose pointing across your cue/lign of aim (straight under your chin) still using your left eye for aiming. (eye is not perfectly on the line of aim in your video) perfectly under the center of your chin. Right now the right part of your chin is under your cue!
Take a CD- hold it in both hands and look through the hole of the CD while you are standing in front of a mirror. Glue a reinforcement ring on the mirror and look though the hole of the CD trying to see the reinforcement ring perfectly in the center of the hole of the CD having both eyes opend. Then close your non dominant eye and observe if your picture changes. In case it does change, position of the CD in front of your head/eye more to the left /right until the picture stays the same. Observe your head/eye/chin position in relation to the hole of the CD. (hole of CD =shaft of your cue)

Due to your tilted head it might even be possible that the dominance of your eyes change when you are going down from your stance into your SET position. Work with the CD in front of the mirror bringing your head and CD dow like you would bend down at hte table on this subject until you find your perfect head/eye position.

2) In the first 2 strokes there is a curve. (SWIPE) in your stroke.-Pretty usual for righties with a left dominant eye is that you are stroking across the line of aim from right to left (your tip points to the left of the line of aim in your finish position.
What is this due to?

1: in case the picture that your dominant eye creates is not perfectly your subconscious tries to compensate for it. After a period of time this is part of your game.
To correct this I recommend the following:
1) Correct the position of your dominant eye
2) work on your stroke like this:
-Take your stance, having your eye on the line of aim- Step in and go down and keep your eye on that line. while going down.

-Find the spot at your chest from where you start your backswing. Even if you cue way under your chest try to find that spot by getting your cue up to your chest to just feel that specific spot at your chest. Now get your cue in your natuaral position and imagine to bring your back hand back to this spot/under this spot right on this line when you stroke forward.

-Being in your SET position you start positioning your tip as close as possible to the cue ball and check if it points right at the horizontal center of the cue ball. (best reference for you if you really hit the center of the cue ball is to check the highest point of your tip and the highest point of the cue ball. Horizontal center ball is right there where the curve of tip and curve of cue ball are right in one vertical line no matter if you adress the bottom or the top of the cue ball.

-Have your upper arm pretty close to your torso and keep it there during your stroke! Don't allow your elbow to fall off to the right during your stroke (forward swing)!

-Do NOT SWIVEL/NO PRACTICE STROKES! when beeing down, get quiet while breathing out into your belly, and just check your tip position at the cue ball (look at the cue ball). Now look at the object ball -do ONE SLOW backswing- pause (keep your eyes on the object ball) and feel the momentum when you are ready to stroke (feel to become the cue ball) and stroke forward (keep having your eyes on the object ball ) keeping your wrist steady (no movement to left or right) and imagine to bring the V of your back hand (soft space between your thumb and your index finger) forward on a straight line in the direction of the back of the object ball / or imagine a knuckle of your back hand that points down to the floor to stay on this line to the back of the object ball !!! with medium firm speed. EVERY TIME!

Do not try to do/force something- just let it happen! Do not try to succeed or to evaluate- just do it and observe the results.

- Stay down and observe the final position of your cue tip.

In case it still moves to the left after 10 tries repeat the process and only change your grip (turn your wrist slightly- keep your hand closed your thumb moves towards your body and your pinky turns away from your body without changing anything else and grip your cue with the exact amount of tightness that you have in your hand when you finish your stroke- same amount of pressure in your hand during the hole process of stroking.) Observe the results again without evaluating the results!


In case it is still not perfect change the position of your front foot only and repeat again. Observe and start to SMILE!!!!:)

report back!

EKKES from the SEE SYSTEM

A lot to digest here! I thank you for the time it took to write up and analyze the video!

I am going to have to reread this a couple of times but I have a question. What would you say if I told you I am familiar with the eye dominance test and consider myself to be right eye dominate?

Ken
 
As my journey with pool continues I was wondering what the experts might think of where I am today.

Specifically - http://www.justin.tv/0kie/b/366372936

I have been streaming my practice sessions almost every day lately. I don't highlight them but they are there for a couple of days to be seen.

I appreciate all input.

Thank you,

Ken

What did you use to setup the lines? I'd like to set up something like that for my son to keep him lined up properly, he tends to move in sideways into his shot instead of from behind it.
 
@okie

In case you are right eye dominant I would ask you why you have the cue slightly under your left eye.
Actually both works. Having the dominant eye perfectly over the cue or having the non dominant eye slightly over the cue due to Joe Tucker and he is right on top of these things.
Due to my experience this works but is rather rare- in most cases these players often have problems with a seitching eye dominance.

I had several hundred of students with issues like you have in your stroke and they were fixed within 1 hour in case they did what I suggested.

Try out and observe the results and decide for yourself!

Best of luck!

Ekkes
 
@okie

In case you are right eye dominant I would ask you why you have the cue slightly under your left eye.
Actually both works. Having the dominant eye perfectly over the cue or having the non dominant eye slightly over the cue due to Joe Tucker and he is right on top of these things.
Due to my experience this works but is rather rare- in most cases these players often have problems with a seitching eye dominance.

I had several hundred of students with issues like you have in your stroke and they were fixed within 1 hour in case they did what I suggested.

Try out and observe the results and decide for yourself!

Best of luck!

Ekkes

I will definitely work on your suggestion! I will post a link tonight on how it goes.

I am not sure if I am a special case or not but I am definitely a basket case when it comes to over thinking. ;)

On a side note:

When Gordy Vanderveer gave me a lesson, I surprised him when he moved my back foot around and kept coming down to the same position...which was slightly off.

Thanks again for your time Ekkes!

Ken
 
Your alignment concerning your cue is perfect in your set position which means that your back foot is right on line. Its the process of your stroke and the position of your eye that you need to work on!

I am sure you will get along!

Looking foward for your next stream
Ekkes
 
I don't like to pass judgement on just three shots, especially when I've now watched a total of 5 commercials, because I went back a few times to look at the video, sigh ...

But your alignment was definitely off on the two shots you missed. As you set down on the shot, your back hand moved out to the right, causing your cue to come into the shot at a slight angle towards your body.

It's hard to tell exactly why this is happening. It could be that your back foot on those two shots was slightly to the right of the line of the shot. Or, it could be just a quirky unconscious movement of your arm. Hard to tell.

Start by checking your back foot position and then take it from there.
 
I don't like to pass judgement on just three shots, especially when I've now watched a total of 5 commercials, because I went back a few times to look at the video, sigh ...

But your alignment was definitely off on the two shots you missed. As you set down on the shot, your back hand moved out to the right, causing your cue to come into the shot at a slight angle towards your body.

It's hard to tell exactly why this is happening. It could be that your back foot on those two shots was slightly to the right of the line of the shot. Or, it could be just a quirky unconscious movement of your arm. Hard to tell.

Start by checking your back foot position and then take it from there.

If you click the link in my signature you can see hours of me playing pool.

I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment.

You might have missed in my post today where I mentioned that I had an instructor adjust my back foot but my alignment did not change. And yes I must be leaning into what looks right to me at the time but I am still off a bit.

Thanks again,

Ken
 
If you click the link in my signature you can see hours of me playing pool.

I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment.

You might have missed in my post today where I mentioned that I had an instructor adjust my back foot but my alignment did not change. And yes I must be leaning into what looks right to me at the time but I am still off a bit.

Thanks again,

Ken

I did notice the other clips of you playing pool and each time I clicked on one, I wound up with a commercial. Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of having to sit through them.

Yes, I saw that post about your adjustment but I don't understand what happened. So, I just thought I'd give you my observations based on those three shots. If I move my feet, my alignment changes. That's how it works for me, anyway.
 
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I did notice the other clips of you playing pool and each time I clicked on one, I wound up with a commercial. Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of having to sit through them.

Yes, I saw that post about your adjustment but I don't understand what happened. So, I just thought I'd give you my observations based on those three shots. If I move my feet, my alignment changes. That's how it works for me, anyway.

Thank you again Fran!

I use Chrome with adblocker and it seems to help. Justin.tv is a great free service which I have really enjoyed. It is what it is. :)

Those three shots were taken out of a longer video which has since been deleted. I thought I would add that so ya'll would know they weren't staged specifically to be watched.

I made more last night...as I do every night I am not playing competitively. I tried to get some from the back but didn't take time to position the camera to the side.

I know my alignment needs improvement. It was one of three things I anticipated being brought up when I posted this. The unlevel eyes have been mentioned but no one said anything about the way I raise my head as I shoot. The movement is very inconsistent. Sometimes more sometimes less....sometimes early sometimes not so early.

Thanks again Fran! I promise to make an appointment with you the next time we make a trip back east. My wife grew up in Newark and we get back every 5 years or so. :)

Ken
 
It would be a pleasure to see you next time you're back East. Hopefully you'll have some good news that will cause you to come East sooner.

I haven't been in a hurry to install Chrome. I've heard mixed reviews, and have to do a little more research before I'm comfortable doing it. I heard it can be pretty invasive and it wants to become your default browser and keeps trying.

Keep plugging away. Everything takes time. There are no shortcuts in pool. Not really.
 
It would be a pleasure to see you next time you're back East. Hopefully you'll have some good news that will cause you to come East sooner.

I haven't been in a hurry to install Chrome. I've heard mixed reviews, and have to do a little more research before I'm comfortable doing it. I heard it can be pretty invasive and it wants to become your default browser and keeps trying.

Keep plugging away. Everything takes time. There are no shortcuts in pool. Not really.

Not to hijack my own thread but this is kinda my thing here. Chrome is the best. All browsers at some time or another hit you up to set themselves as default. Chrome's weakness is it's strength....imo. It opens every page in it's own instance of Chrome. This can eat up some memory quickly. But I watch my son have no less than 20-25 windows open at one time on 4 gig of RAM and he has no problems.

As far as the keep plugging...

Yes mam that's the plan! I agree 1000%! No shortcuts and time is the magic!

Ken
 
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Fran, Regarding Chrome...

I have all 3 major browsers installed, but Chrome is currently the default, I only use the others when having issues with sites that aren't compatible. I noticed the Adblocker extension on Chrome got rid of all of those annoying commercials that started popping up, made the experience much nicer...
Scott
 
Fran, Regarding Chrome...

I have all 3 major browsers installed, but Chrome is currently the default, I only use the others when having issues with sites that aren't compatible. I noticed the Adblocker extension on Chrome got rid of all of those annoying commercials that started popping up, made the experience much nicer...
Scott

Thanks for the info Scott and Ken. I will look into it again.
 
Here are some clips from last night. I added some from behind last night.

http://www.justin.tv/0kie/b/367651012

http://www.justin.tv/0kie/b/367664191 - this link is bad

Thanks everyone!

Ken

Hey Ken,

Do you have CJ Wiley's DVD - Ultimate Pool Secrets?

If not I'll send you mine. It is no longer in production.

Oh yeah, either your wife was talking to you and asking that you to look at her while she is talking.........or........your trying to practice and watch TV at the same time.

If anything, put on some good ole rock and roll when you practice. Helps develop rhythm in your play. :wink:

John
 
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Hey Ken,

Do you have CJ Wiley's DVD - Ultimate Pool Secrets?

If not I'll send you mine. It is no longer in production.

Oh yeah, either your wife was talking to you and asking that you to look at her while she is talking.........or........your trying to practice and watch TV at the same time.

If anything, put on some good ole rock and roll when you practice. Helps develop rhythm in your play. :wink:

John

I have the CD

Actually, there is a slight delay on the stream which allows me to stop and see the shot I just hit. I have pandora going strong while I play!

Good stuff!

Ken
 
I have the CD

Actually, there is a slight delay on the stream which allows me to stop and see the shot I just hit. I have pandora going strong while I play!

Good stuff!

Ken

That's cool, being able to see your shot.

From your posts, you are one determined individual willing to put in the time and effort to be the best that you can be in the game.

You really should review the first 2 or 3 chapters on the DVD. Pay very close attention to how CJ is addressing the shot and lining up on the shot line.

On the rear view, it looked like the + was not lined up exactly with the shot and may have distorted the view of your lining up in the shooting position.

Something that may help is to remember when bending down into the shooting position is that your right eye, right shoulder, tip of your elbow, a point you have chosen on your grip hand, the tip of the cue and the bridge must all be lined up on the shot line.

Another thing that you may want to play with is line up a shot with your left eye closed, when you feel you are lined up, open your left eye and see what the shot looks like with both eyes open. Doing this will have a direct impact on how you get into your stance and the placing of you shooting arm. Its a whole new picture.

Just trying to help. It can be very frustrating trying to get all of this stuff to work.

My son and I played 1P for about 5 hours yesterday. I ran a few 8 and outs and was beginning to get the old stroke going, when he says to me "how long do you want to play" and I said "we can play all day if you want, doesn't bother me"

A little while later he says, " I'm tired, can we go?" Unbelievable, here I am getting my stroke going and now he wants to leave. He's 45 and I'm 66 and the kid is out of gas. :smile:

Have a good day

John
 
stroke analysis

@Oakie and anyone who is interested in a professional analysis:


Here is a link to a pdf that I uploaded for you, where I analised in detail your approach and your stroke Oakie.

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/analysis-of-okie-s-approach-and-stroke

Just click on the link. A page opens-now scroll down until you can see the preview of the pdf file. Now you can read the file online, load it down or open the file.

I see that you are willing to train! Perfect training makes perfect!
Give it a try and you will improve- I am sure.

Best from beyond the pond!

Ekkes
 
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