Break Stats -- Jay Swanson Memorial 9-ball, 2/24/2013

[AtLarge]

Here are the aggregate break statistics from eleven 9-ball matches streamed by POV Pool on Sunday, 2/24/13 from the second and final day of the 17th Jay Swanson Memorial 9-Ball Tournament at Hard Times Billiards in Bellflower, CA.

The conditions for this event included: Brunswick 9-foot table with approximately 4" corner pockets, worn Simonis cloth, Magic Ball Rack, winner breaks, rack your own, break from anywhere behind the line, no jump cues allowed, and all slop counts.

The 11 matches (116 games) were as follows:

• Van Boening def. Morra 7-3
• Morris d. Van Boening 7-5
• Shaw d. Bustamante 7-1
• Orcollo d. Morris 7-2
• Shaw d. E. Dominguez 7-3
• Morra d. Bustamante 7-6
• Orcollo d. Shaw 7-5
• Morris d. Morra 7-3
• Morris d. E. Dominguez 7-0
• Shaw d. Morris 7-4
• Orcollo d. Shaw 11-3

Overall results -- The breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 91% of the time (105 of 116), won 59% of the games (69 of 116), and broke and ran 31% of the games (36 of 116).

Here's a little more detailed breakdown of the 116 games.

Breaker made at least one ball and did not foul:

• Breaker won the game: 64 (55% of the 116 games)
• Breaker lost the game: 41 (35%)

Breaker fouled on the break:

• Breaker won the game: 1 (1%)
• Breaker lost the game: 4 (3%)

Breaker broke dry (without fouling):

• Breaker won the game: 4 (3%)
• Breaker lost the game: 2 (2%)

Therefore, whereas the breaker won 59% (69 of 116) of all games,

- He won 61% (64 of 105) of the games in which he made at least one ball on the break and did not foul.
- He won 20% (1 of 5) of the games in which he fouled on the break.
- He won 67% (4 of 6) of the games in which he broke dry but did not foul.
- He won 45% (5 of 11) of the games in which he either fouled on the break or broke dry without fouling.​

9-balls on the break: No 9-balls were made on the break in these 116 games.

 

[Masayoshi]

31% break and runs on that table is disgusting.

 

[AtLarge]

31% break and runs on that table is disgusting.

Until the final match, it was 27 of 102, or 26%.

Then in the finals, Orcollo had 9 B&R's in his 11 breaks. So we need to blame Orcollo.

 

[Johnnyt]

Thank you for the stats. Johnnyt

 

[nine_ball6970]

Until the final match, it was 27 of 102, or 26%.

Then in the finals, Orcollo had 9 B&R's in his 11 breaks. So we need to blame Orcollo.

Unbelievable. I went to sleep before the finals started. I hope someone puts that match on youtube. I guess he isn't phased by playing on one of the toughest tables on the planet.

 

[chevybob20]

Great stats.

The pro's need to leave 9 Ball to us bangers. The MR makes 9 ball even easier for them. Although, I do prefer them to use the MR. Please make the move to 10 Ball.

 

[Cornerman]

Until the final match, it was 27 of 102, or 26%.

Then in the finals, Orcollo had 9 B&R's in his 11 breaks. So we need to blame Orcollo.

I don't know if the average AZer or Chatter has a clue how un-worldy that is.

Freddie

 

[bdorman]

I don't know if the average AZer or Chatter has a clue how un-worldy that is.

Freddie

I do.

In 14 months of playing pool I've BnR two 9-ball racks.

At this rate I'll have nine BnR racks in 5-1/4 years. Dennis did it in less than two hours?

Of course, I should add that I don't use a Magic Rack. That must be the difference.

 

[pt109]

Until the final match, it was 27 of 102, or 26%.

Then in the finals, Orcollo had 9 B&R's in his 11 breaks. So we need to blame Orcollo.

Unreal...9 break and runs on that table may stand up as long as Willie's 526.
...longer, if a Magic Rack is not used.

 

[Baxter]

Until the final match, it was 27 of 102, or 26%.

Then in the finals, Orcollo had 9 B&R's in his 11 breaks. So we need to blame Orcollo.

I find it a little too coincidental that when Oscar was in the booth, he said "Dennis is the biggest proponent of pattern racking", then Dennis proceeds to throw up a 6-pack among 9 break and runs on a table with ridiculously tight pockets, soft breaking. It's pretty obvious that pattern racking 9 ball with the magic rack at this level turns the game into a carnival game.

 

[jalapus logan]

91% potting success rate on the break? That may be a case against the Magic Rack, IMO. That is Donny Mills rack your own success rates.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

- He won 67% (4 of 6) of the games in which he broke dry but did not foul.

This is another stat that caught my eye. Maybe in these matches they shouldn't have tried to make any balls on the break, lol.

Thanks AtLarge!

 

[AtLarge]

... It's pretty obvious that pattern racking 9 ball with the magic rack at this level turns the game into a carnival game.

You might think so, but why couldn't anyone else do it? In the 11 matches I watched, no one had more than a 2-pack until that final match when Orcollo had a 3-pack and a 6-pack (of course, the matches prior to the finals were races to just 7). Orcollo had just one B&R in his hot-seat match against Shaw, but he sure found the right recipe in the finals.

I agree, though, that it's somehow "unsettling" to see the wired wing ball and the similar resulting layouts time after time.

 

[AtLarge]

91% potting success rate on the break? That may be a case against the Magic Rack, IMO. ...

I agree. I don't recall ever seeing such a percentage for so many matches combined.

 

[LHP5]

..........

 

[Masayoshi]

Unreal...9 break and runs on that table may stand up as long as Willie's 526.
...longer, if a Magic Rack is not used.

Wu Chia Ching had a very high 8 ball run on that table at an IPT qualifier. I think it was a 7 or 8 pack. Also Dave Hemmah had a pretty big 10 ball package on that table if I recall correctly. 9 out of 11 (6 pack and 3 pack) in 9 ball is phenomenal, but it probably isn't the best run thats ever been played on that table.

 

[CreeDo]

You might think so, but why couldn't anyone else do it?

Exactly. If it's "too easy" then why doesn't everyone do it? Hell Baxter, why don't you do it?
If these guys are pros, then in theory they should just watch the order orcullo uses,
then mindlessly follow the same steps to accomplish the same results.

The breaker made a ball 91% of the time, but only ran out 31% of the time.
That big fat 60% gap? That's called "Skill" and is the reason why dennis won...
running racks on tiny pockets and never getting out of line.

It's got nothing to do with this pattern rack nonsense.
Anyone who believes it's too easy, use his pattern and film yourself breaking and
running 9 out of 11 racks. You can get spotted big 5" pockets since we don't all shoot
quite as straight as dennis. And you can have as many tries as you want, you don't
have to do it on the first try vs. worldbeaters in front of a crowd with cash on the line.

If any AZ regulars can pull that off, then maybe you got a point!