Streaming Viewership #'s Were HIGH Last Night!

[vapoolplayer]

Thank You, to all who watched and participated on this event between Alex and Frost!

I'd like to say, first and foremost that, it is my best intention to bring you as much quality pool that is within my reach. There is a disclaimer on the 'About POV' page of my website, which reads:

"Be that as it may, not every recorded match is technically perfect. They are recorded live, the commentary can sometimes be raw and unrehearsed. POV Pool strives to improve and promote more streaming regardless of its growing pains. When viewing these events, it is important to keep in mind that so far, POV Pool is basically a ‘one-man’ show who’s main goal is to seek new talent and continue the promotion of cue-sports."
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Yes, unbeknownst to me, POV Pool was apparently being scrutinized 'during' this stream for possible sponsorship by a Pepsi own company for a drink called 'PowerMilk'.

There were several elements to this particular event that caused me a lot of grief and in my opinion, made this a very bad time to put me under scrutiny by ANY large sponsor.

1. This event was not sponsored AT ALL!
Seeing as I only had one day to prepare, there was no time to get sponsored for the event. Due to this, I had let my guard down, and wasn't too concerned about commentary guidelines, such as slang or censorship. Furthermore, not having any sponsors at all means that, AS A SPONSOR, you wont get to see how I generally present sponsors in the first place.

2. Nobody notified me!
Bob Enslow of Live Stream News on Facebook, I have two words for you. CALL ME! During all the mayhem I noticed that CMBWSU (Bob Enslow) had virtually abandoned his MOD status in chat, which was on TILT with profanity and saboteurs! I called Bob to say, "Hey...Sorry about the profanity on my stream, but could you please come back and MOD the chat..." Bob proceeds to tell me that: 'It's too bad all this just happened because he finally convinced 'POWERMILK' executives to watch me tonight and they are now disgusted!' - To which I adamantly stated: YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED ME!. He said: 'He didn't call me because he didn't want to get my hopes up.' - This being said, if you have a sponsor that you wanna throw my way, CALL ME! I'll prep the show, showcase some logos, hire some commentators and I'll even close the damn CHAT for the duration of the event.

3. Big Truck!
The little time that I did spend in chat was addressing Ray Hansen's PM's to me, about how I've gone to the 'Dark Side' by being an ally with CMBWSU and the Live Stream News guys... That I should have teamed up with HIM (Big Truck) when I had the chance! How, I could have made 5-10K on the Swanee Stream and how stupid I am! Also, how 'Inside Pool' has pulled out of a 70k Tournament Stream that HE now has and 'guess who' is NOT going to be working with him (referring to me). Ray Hansen, we had a couple of discussions over a year ago, which suddenly gave you the impression that you and I were great friends and that together we were going to take over the world, streaming pool to babies coming out of the womb on flatscreens at the hospital ward, but MY FRIEND, that's not going to happen because I flat out DO NOT TRUST YOU.

4. Chat saboteurs
There are a number of saboteurs in chat, who are somehow stealing screen-names and then basically screaming profanities to my regulars who visit and chat merely for the sake of sweating the matches and saying 'hello' to one another. When I first started out doing this, I put a lot of thought into NOT HAVING CHAT at all, but I relented because I figured that most people watching do not even use chat. Joe Rogan and I have spoken about this and I very well may disable chat for the rest of the year to test whether the audiences will still remain. Honestly, with chat, my stream suddenly becomes way too political with this entity and that entity fighting for attention and kudos for something which I did not even start streaming for in the 1st place. I am currently considering that, starting from the CHET ITOW event on March 9th & 10th, POV POOL will not have a chat room. This will completely free me of many things, of which I don't want to deal with anyway.
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Forgive me, BOB or Ray, if you think I'm putting you on blast, but honestly, you both need to stop using me in your war against each other. Furthermore, Bob, you really should have called me about the PowerMilkers! Probably the worst decision you've made since we met. I would have made a million other preparations before this stream, even with the short notice I had. I really appreciate the power that you have pushed my way thus far, but you have to understand that this isolated incident may very well have undermined the future of pool. Yes, it was my stream and I know that could set this as a standard, but a call would have made the difference. Your actions, lead me to wonder whether or not your commitment to pool is as un-biased as you say it is. So, sorry Bob, you are now back in the "I'm not sure I can trust you.' file.

To The Audience!
I take full responsibility for anyone who was offended by the language or behavior of anyone representing POV Pool during this broadcast and I apologize. I will make one change to my promotion of POV Pool's show which will look something like the attached jpg.

It is becoming apparent to me that my mission statement may have to be revised. I have been trying to 'Unite The Billiards World From All Points Of View". Truth is, I'm not sure they wish to be united.
I hope this helps!
We peaked at 1403 'Current Viewers' for this event.

I'm sorry, but you probably shouldn't make a public post basically saying "had I known a sponsor was watching, I'd have actually tried to put on a real show." In reality sponsors are just like a manager who decides to take a walk around and check out his/her employees working. Of course he/she would rather walk around when people don't know they are coming, as people show their normal work habits. If I'm a sponsor I don't want to see how good you can make a production when you're just trying to impress me. I want to see your everyday product and how you conduct yourself when you don't know I'm watching.

That's not going to help your cause with future sponsors. People don't want to see that you only care about your product if someone important is watching. Just make a post apologizing for the actions of the commentators and that you are implementing changes for future shows.....don't start posting all the private text messages and such......it really looks bad.

Its also not going to help posting your personal disagreements in a public forum like this. Not only does it hurt your image for future sponsorships, it may hurt the people mentioned as well. If I were a potential sponsor reading this thread, why would I be interested in working with someone who makes a public statement like this?

You also can't post several reasons why things went wrong, then directly after say "but I take full responsibility," as you just listed several reasons you weren't full responsible......

And people wonder why pool can't get its act together.

 

[vapoolplayer]

I watched the match and a couple f bombs slipped out in the middle of a sentence. Nobody payed attention to it because the guy really knows the game of one pocket and did great commentary! cmbswu later on out of the blue, ranted about the sponsor he got for the match was pissed about it and he was leaving the stream.

No one cared.........except for the sponsor who was considering a 250k investment.........

 

[Cory in DC]

No one cared.........except for the sponsor who was considering a 250k investment.........

If you believe the sponsor exists, that is.

In the business world, I would expect a potential client or sponsor to not be at all surprised to, for example, see someone behave in one fashion at a sporting event and an entirely different fashion in a business setting. In fact, that's pretty much routine. The impromptu streaming of the Scott/Alex match seems to me more like the former than the latter.

 

[vapoolplayer]

If you believe the sponsor exists, that is.

In the business world, I would expect a potential client or sponsor to not be at all surprised to, for example, see someone behave in one fashion at a sporting event and an entirely different fashion in a business setting. In fact, that's pretty much routine. The impromptu streaming of the Scott/Alex match seems to me more like the former than the latter.

You don't expect to see a live production and the commentators using offensive language though. This wasn't like a sponsor turned on the stream and saw a player like Earl going off on a rant, and thinking the guy is likely different in a business setting. Or, this isn't like going to a sporting with a potential client as a spectator and seeing them get excited or drink a bit much.

Had it been Alex or Scott talking offensively, the sponsor would have likely not cared as much. They realize they are in the heat of the moment. A commentator on the other hand should be cool, collected, and in control of themselves. The people in the chat likely just added to the bad image, as had the commentator not been out of line, the sponsor would have likely taken less notice to the chat.

If the sponsor did in fact exist, why would they turn on a live stream that is supposed to be professionally run and NOT expect it to be run accordingly, regardless if they had informed the people responsible for the stream?

Do you expect to turn on an NFL game and see the F bomb dropped? Do you think a potential new sponsor calls up the NFL and says "hey, I'm going to watch the game this Sunday, make sure you put on a good show?"

In the future, impromptu streaming, lacking ability to organize correctly in the short amount of time should be streamed without commentary or chat. If you don't have time to get your ducks in a row, don't just throw shit together and hope no one important is watching.

 

[Cory in DC]

UP

You don't expect to see a live production and the commentators using offensive language though. This wasn't like a sponsor turned on the stream and saw a player like Earl going off on a rant, and thinking the guy is likely different in a business setting. Or, this isn't like going to a sporting with a potential client as a spectator and seeing them get excited or drink a bit much.

Had it been Alex or Scott talking offensively, the sponsor would have likely not cared as much. They realize they are in the heat of the moment. A commentator on the other hand should be cool, collected, and in control of themselves. The people in the chat likely just added to the bad image, as had the commentator not been out of line, the sponsor would have likely taken less notice to the chat.

If the sponsor did in fact exist, why would they turn on a live stream that is supposed to be professionally run and NOT expect it to be run accordingly, regardless if they had informed the people responsible for the stream?

Do you expect to turn on an NFL game and see the F bomb dropped? Do you think a potential new sponsor calls up the NFL and says "hey, I'm going to watch the game this Sunday, make sure you put on a good show?"

In the future, impromptu streaming, lacking ability to organize correctly in the short amount of time should be streamed without commentary or chat. If you don't have time to get your ducks in a row, don't just throw shit together and hope no one important is watching.

I see your point but still disagree on balance. Sure, the f*cks didn't add value, so it's hard to dispute that they weren't helpful. The question is whether they did any real harm.

Your NFL analogy isn't on point, because the match was more akin to a film of training camp or a scrimmage game, not an official, marketed, and sold event. And, while I wouldn't expect it, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a commentator or player use a few cuss words in that setting.

Also, we are talking about a potentially real sponsor tuning in to a gambling match, not high tea, to see if it would be worth sponsoring. In the real world, most opportunities are going to present some challenges to bring to fruition; some challenges can easily be fixed and others not. A small amount of foul language from a commentator seems clearly in the former category. Here's an easy solution: contract with commentators for $500 (made up number) but dock $50 for every use of one of Carlin's 7 Words.

Long story short, if the reaction of the potential sponsor's representative really was along the lines of "great product, but my company can't support it because I heard a few swear words and that's just too much of an obstacle to overcome" then (1) I find that pretty hard to believe and (2) the sponsor should replace the representative in question with an employee who can overcome minor challenges in pursuing the sponsor's interests.

Cory

P.S. I didn't watch the chat, but since the internet is full of idiots and seems to routinely make otherwise reasonable people into idiots, I imagine that aspect was pretty bad. Chats, at least chats without close moderation, probably aren't helpful to marketing a professional product. Even so, there is probably a trade-off, because chat probably induces some additional sales.

 

[vapoolplayer]

UP

I see your point but still disagree on balance. Sure, the f*cks didn't add value, so it's hard to dispute that they weren't helpful. The question is whether they did any real harm.

Your NFL analogy isn't on point, because the match was more akin to a film of training camp or a scrimmage game, not an official, marketed, and sold event. And, while I wouldn't expect it, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a commentator or player use a few cuss words in that setting.

Also, we are talking about a potentially real sponsor tuning in to a gambling match, not high tea, to see if it would be worth sponsoring. In the real world, most opportunities are going to present some challenges to bring to fruition; some challenges can easily be fixed and others not. A small amount of foul language from a commentator seems clearly in the former category. Here's an easy solution: contract with commentators for $500 (made up number) but dock $50 for every use of one of Carlin's 7 Words.

Long story short, if the reaction of the potential sponsor's representative really was along the lines of "great product, but my company can't support it because I heard a few swear words and that's just too much of an obstacle to overcome" then (1) I find that pretty hard to believe and (2) the sponsor should replace the representative in question with an employee who can overcome minor challenges in pursuing the sponsor's interests.

Cory

P.S. I didn't watch the chat, but since the internet is full of idiots and seems to routinely make otherwise reasonable people into idiots, I imagine that aspect was pretty bad. Chats, at least chats without close moderation, probably aren't helpful to marketing a professional product. Even so, there is probably a trade-off, because chat probably induces some additional sales.

Regardless of how you, I, or anyone else spin it, if the sponsor thing is in fact true......a sponsor tuned in to what was likely described to them as a professional product and seeing F bombs, probably hastily set up streaming equimpment, less than adequate commentary, and unruly chatters.

Now, there is definitely some blame on the commentators and production people, but there is also blame on the 3rd party who brough in the sponsor to tune in. Why you would pick an impromtu gambling match which didn't leave much time to set up, is beyond stupid. They likely touted the match up as premium content and assured the sponsor the production would be as well.

So, not only do you have the sponsor seeing all the above mentioned, but they were likely under the impression they would be seeing the best product possible.

Now, had the sponsor found out about the stream on their own, and then just happened to tune in, they should have been given an explanation this stream was just thrown up to help fans see the action. But I still stand by my point that in the future streams like this should be done without commentary or chat. Then you can make the arguement you are just doing it to help the fans check out the action, and you are avoiding any negative issues you need time to prepare for.

Its an unfortunate event if the sponsor was in fact real, and was poorly worked out by the production company and the party responsible for communication with the potential sponsor. Hopefully a valuable lesson will be learned, but if history tells us anything, there aren't that many truely business/marketing savvy people in pool. People with those talents are busy making money elsewhere.

 

[chefjeff]

1-Pocket watching late at night is cheaper than sleeping pills.

:killingme:

Jeff Livingston

 

[cmbwsu]

I'm sorry, but you probably shouldn't make a public post basically saying "had I known a sponsor was watching, I'd have actually tried to put on a real show." In reality sponsors are just like a manager who decides to take a walk around and check out his/her employees working. Of course he/she would rather walk around when people don't know they are coming, as people show their normal work habits. If I'm a sponsor I don't want to see how good you can make a production when you're just trying to impress me. I want to see your everyday product and how you conduct yourself when you don't know I'm watching.

That's not going to help your cause with future sponsors. People don't want to see that you only care about your product if someone important is watching. Just make a post apologizing for the actions of the commentators and that you are implementing changes for future shows.....don't start posting all the private text messages and such......it really looks bad.

Its also not going to help posting your personal disagreements in a public forum like this. Not only does it hurt your image for future sponsorships, it may hurt the people mentioned as well. If I were a potential sponsor reading this thread, why would I be interested in working with someone who makes a public statement like this?

You also can't post several reasons why things went wrong, then directly after say "but I take full responsibility," as you just listed several reasons you weren't full responsible......

And people wonder why pool can't get its act together.

↑This was exactly the case.↑

Yes, I left because I was upset about the language. Before anyone drops the "assumption hammer", if I were in a hall among friends with no cameras that probably would not have been the case. Yes, I had a proposed sponsor watching. I had worked for months and months to get him to at least come watch (a stream, any stream) and when he called during the match to discuss a new product for my store and I jumped at the opportunity to tell him of this stream (with over 1,200 viewers) and finally got him to come watch. This was not prearranged whatsoever-- like the notice for this challenge, it too was unexpected and impromptu ... "an opportunity" and, as he put it, ... "just a quick look-see as I only have a few minutes. I have other stores to call".

I quickly Googled information about the players, passed them to him then walked him through how to get there/use the chat etc. Bad timing, as he heard and saw what was going on and was not happy. Especially after the commentator was asked by a few people to watch his language yet he continued (not much but enough!). The folks in the chat didn't help either when saying things like "what's the problem it's a free stream", "we are all adults here chill out", and "what do you expect it's a pool hall" and the like. The proposed sponsor said (excerpts): "Oh sure, that (a free stream) makes it alright to act like that and use those words in a public chat and think it's OK because it is in a pool room(?) -- our audience is all ages(!) ... so that's what we can expect when our name is on the screen as a sponsor and this gets on YouTube and all over the net for all to see(?) ... what are these people thinking and what is my target audience going to think? We can't have our name affixed to this sort of thing. We have other avenues that we will pursue. Our product is all about health and this is not healthy. I'm sorry Bob, but I can tell you now that there is no way at this point and time". I felt like I had just swallowed a whole rack of balls at this point. He left in disgust.

While still on the phone, I left the chat to try and talk to the rep and change his outlook. I told him: "Daniel Busch (POV Pool) had no idea this was happening. He's taking a deserving break after a long arduous weekend and has others sitting in. If he had, he would have put a stop to it immediately as he cares too much not too. He puts his heart, soul, and own money into his productions".

What was being said was a violation of Ustream's TOS which could have (not saying it would have) resulted in his stream being shut down. This is one of the major reasons there are moderators in the chat and why I and others tried to stop it. He in no way condones what was done. When he found out via text messages, he pulled "whomever" from the booth. Unfortunately, it was too late as the damage had already been done.

I try so hard (12 to 14 hours a day) to promote the sport, work with streamers, and find major sponsors for the streams and it only takes one incident like this to ruin those efforts. Sad really.

I do not sit in judgement on anyone but do ponder whether I should put myself in this situation every again in regards to trying to get a major sponsor to come on board for deserving streamers. It's unfortunate, I'm sorry it happened, and am filing this whole thing in the "It was what it was" folder in the "Bob just let it go file cabinet".

PS: Live Stream News did not know anything about this proposed sponsorship and had nothing whatsoever to do with this. This was an individual act (mine) separate and distinct from the promotion of "what is live" entirely. It was a chance to help deserving streamers and I took a shot as I didn't know if I'd ever have what I thought was a perfect opportunity again. Who wouldn't have if given the opportunity!

 

[CreeDo]

Daniel, thanks for the stream again. Some thoughts...

• Horrifying that a potential chance for a big sponsor with deep pockets was lost because it was handled in a "pop quiz" kind of way, rather than "we will be watching this specific event, show us what streamed pool would look like when it's planned ahead and done to the best of your ability". I feel your irritation too, I know you would have found some way to make it much more presentable (for example I heard Billy Incardona was there. I'm sure someone could have convinced him to get in the booth).

• Don't lump chat and the stream in the same box. They're 2 different things. The commentators should not have the chat open, and should not reference it at all. If a potential sponsor is watching the chat, he may very well be horrified... but there's no reason a sponsor should be looking at the chat.

Chat should be some obscure link on the main page, available for people who want it but otherwise not affiliated with whatever video is playing at the moment. And the chat window shouldn't be placed side-by-side with the video, so it's clear that it's not associated with the event.

I don't think it's right to try to run some 'official' povpool chat that is carefully censored and moderated in an effort to present some unrealistic version of typical pool hall railbirds. Let them be railbirds and say what they want, give people the freedom to talk about the match, it adds something to the viewing experience. But take no credit or responsibility for it.

• If you strongly feel you can't have a chat without moderation... it shouldn't be on the shoulders of one guy who has to watch the chat like a hawk and basically ignore the actual event. In oldschool IRC chat systems, you can designate several people as having the ability to ban troublemakers... and those people can in turn deputize others they feel are trustworthy. The more reliable 'ops' you have, the harder it is for any one person to sabotage it.

 

[Cory in DC]

Regardless of how you, I, or anyone else spin it, if the sponsor thing is in fact true......a sponsor tuned in to what was likely described to them as a professional product and seeing F bombs, probably hastily set up streaming equimpment, less than adequate commentary, and unruly chatters.

Now, there is definitely some blame on the commentators and production people, but there is also blame on the 3rd party who brough in the sponsor to tune in. Why you would pick an impromtu gambling match which didn't leave much time to set up, is beyond stupid. They likely touted the match up as premium content and assured the sponsor the production would be as well.

So, not only do you have the sponsor seeing all the above mentioned, but they were likely under the impression they would be seeing the best product possible.

Now, had the sponsor found out about the stream on their own, and then just happened to tune in, they should have been given an explanation this stream was just thrown up to help fans see the action. But I still stand by my point that in the future streams like this should be done without commentary or chat. Then you can make the arguement you are just doing it to help the fans check out the action, and you are avoiding any negative issues you need time to prepare for.

Its an unfortunate event if the sponsor was in fact real, and was poorly worked out by the production company and the party responsible for communication with the potential sponsor. Hopefully a valuable lesson will be learned, but if history tells us anything, there aren't that many truely business/marketing savvy people in pool. People with those talents are busy making money elsewhere.

We can at least agree on the chat--CreeDo's idea of a non-affiliated chat space sounds good. I really think you need commentary, though. There can be a lot of dead air time in a 1 pocket game, and commentary fills that. I, and I suspect many others, also like hearing discussion of shot alternatives and exclamations that highlight the brilliance or madness of a particular shot (even if the exclamations are delivered a little two candidly).

 

[xplor]

A lot of folks work nite shift. Seeing people live in the middle of the night gives them something to do while waiting for crap to break down. The language was not out of place in that context.

 

[bdorman]

Drop the chat. You had 1400 viewers...and how many chatters? How many viewers would you lose if you didn't have chat?: None.

It would be a good idea to have a private chat where individuals can inform you of audio/visual problems, etc.

RE: Commentators...at least I didn't have to listen to LLLLLIIIIIIVVVVVEEEE!

Thanks for the stream. Donation sent via paypal.

 

[JohnnyP]

Hey, Alvin is great, too. He makes me smile.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Hey, Alvin is great, too. He makes me smile.

FWIW, I'm only a little familiar with Alvin's commentary. He never made me go wtf. All I noticed was a new voice on stream with a genuine passion for the game - invested in the game. I'd think he's taken notice of the feedback to heart. We only get one heart... Go Alvin!

 

[POVPOOL]

Moving forward...

Well, I have just hung up the phone after having the opportunity to clear the air with Bob Enslow (AKA - CMBWSU) and I would like those who have taken the time to either defend me or put me in check, to say a few last words on this (At least for now).

I have come to the understanding that Bob was acting in the moment, if you will, by directing a possible sponsor to this One-Pocket stream which I was broadcasting. There was a sudden phone call and it was HIM, the prospect, and Bob was trying to nip this in the bud, not realizing that unfortunately I was ill-prepared to deliver the usual standard of quality which Bob has become accustomed to.

I fully admit that, for me I've got to work out the 'One-Pocket' audience and support staff a bit better. Now, as a standard I do not condone any profanity on my shows because it is unprofessional. My goal is, and has always been, to elevate and improve the image of our industry.

The situation is this: I have been grooming various commentators doing 9-ball for over a year now and they are all improving, which has elevated the show a little and given me the peace of mind to know that I can walk away and not worry about them. However this is NOT the case with commentators doing One-Pocket. I am less familiar with the One-Pocket spectators and I admit that, right down to the scoreboards, keeping track of ball count, twiddling the knobs on the mixer, fumbling the mics and using profanity...I was a little too relaxed about them commentating without supervision and I should have known better. Being exhausted from the 'Swanee Stream' might have been a factor but it doesn't change the fact that, if I'm going to commit to doing a show, I still shouldn't do it half-assed! For those of you out there that thought it was fine, thanks, but I know there were issues and I should have addressed them. Free stream or not, I rely on the feedback, donations, and praises of my audience until the day comes that this sport can get some well deserved FUNDING for the mainstream.

As for Bob and the Live Stream News Group
Bob, Upstate Al, Steve Kurtz and all the Live Stream News representatives have been behind me from day 1, and I probably should have taken a closer look at the situation before issuing my statement. We will continue to promote each other and work on our communication so that there are no lapses which will cause these kerfuffles in the future.

I will repeat...We have spoken man to man on this incident and he and have come to a complete understanding that we should put this behind us and move on with our continued commitment to promote cue-sports.

I will make some changes and he will make some changes and that is between Bob and I. As far as the eye can see, The Live Stream News group has been 99.9% un-biased, unless of course any streamer is obviously not trying to help the situation. As far as I'm concerned The Live Stream News Group is working hard to elevate the sport and ultimately it was my stream which had the problems it had (Something which they have no control over).

This incident has been like a crash course lesson in broadcasting, which I will not forget. I am committed to growing as a producer and presenter of this great sport!

I am here for the duration and I will carry on...

Thanks,
:thumbup:

 

[autopctech]

Streamer Drama

What was being said was a violation of Ustream's TOS which could have (not saying it would have) resulted in his stream being shut down. This is one of the major reasons there are moderators in the chat and why I and others tried to stop it.

This is where you lose me as a believer Bob. Have you seen some of the shows on ustream? Streams being banned for a couple bad words? Impossible to believe. Almost as impossible to believe as a 250k sponsor.

I was watching the stream from the start and Rich was doing a great job. I hate 1 pocket and he had me interested in it so that tells me he was doing what he was supposed to do. When he left the booth I lost interest (Tang was okay though). Bob was freaking out from the get go saying he wanted to ban the commentators. Then he started with the lost sponsorship stuff. Then he just left and took his whole crew with him.

Bob and his crew have a long established history of problems with streamers. First it was Lenny because he was not giving Bob enough shine. Then Big Truck because he scammed Bob out of over 10k. Now POV. The Big Truck thing I understand because the guy is a snake and only cares about the $$$ but the other 2 are good guys who do it for the love of the game. Most of the "live stream news" guys use to be the Big Truck Stream Team. Seems like they are looking for a little more than just promoting pool streams. They want control. They control the chat like it is theirs. They act like nightclub bouncers. I agree that chat needs some mods but you need mods like Spanky and Bacon. They are not control freaks like these live stream new guys.

It sucked to have to listen to Daniel apologize over and over again for this when it was not his fault. The Swannee stream was awesome and so are most streams that POV does. Daniel is always very professional and so is Barbara. Rich has commentated for them before and there was never even 1 complaint about his language. Makes no sense why people would cry about it now.

Daniel, my guess is there was never any sponsor watching that was going to put 250k into pool streaming. Keep doing what you have been doing because your streams get better every time and you will get that sponsorship on your own. Take Lenny's advice and don't get too caught up in the streamer drama.

 

[cmbwsu]

What was being said was a violation of Ustream's TOS which could have (not saying it would have) resulted in his stream being shut down. This is one of the major reasons there are moderators in the chat and why I and others tried to stop it.

This is where you lose me as a believer Bob. Have you seen some of the shows on ustream? Streams being banned for a couple bad words? Impossible to believe.

As indicated above, I said I was "not saying it would have". That is "reasonably determined by Ustream" as indicated in the TOS here:



Note the word "indecent" above and note the definition below. Do you know at what point Ustream makes a reasonable determination? No you don't and nor do I so why put a stream, any stream, up for even being considered by Ustream in regards to a bridge of "their" TOS? Why do you think that the Ustream-bot automatically censors words in the chat -- perhaps because they are considered by them to be "indecent" and not acceptable on their site.!?

Almost as impossible to believe as a 250k sponsor.

That was his total budget and up to him to determine how it would used. I merely tried to get a slice of cheese for the streamers of "their" choice should they choose to pursue same. I gave them links to numerous archived/YouTube videos for them to look at in hopes they would come on board even if only in a small way. Every streamer will tell you that every little bit helps. Out of that budget he is looking at various avenues of pursuit: TV, radio, newspapers, door hangers, window stickers, placement ads within stores, etc. I just wanted him to at least consider looking at some live streams in hopes that something would catch his eye and some streamer could upgrade their equipment or afford to travel to an event they wanted to stream and didn't have the funds to do so.

I was watching the stream from the start and Rich was doing a great job. I hate 1 pocket and he had me interested in it so that tells me he was doing what he was supposed to do. When he left the booth I lost interest (Tang was okay though). Bob was freaking out from the get go saying he wanted to ban the commentators. Then he started with the lost sponsorship stuff. Then he just left and took his whole crew with him.

I was not freaking out from the beginning. It may have appeared to be to you but that is totally not the case. I merely said "I should ban the commentator". I thought it was just a slip of the tongue and threw that out there as a "hint" after receiving PMs asking why their comments had been censored/removed while the commentator could say what he wanted. Most took the hint and responded with "LOLs" and such. Remember, certain "indecent" words are programmed in by Ustream to be automatically censored.

Bob and his crew have a long established history of problems with streamers. First it was Lenny because he was not giving Bob enough shine. (<-- that is not true. That is a rumor started by "someone" and you bit. Heck, I bought Lenny's camera for him years ago because I liked what he was doing. In fact, he is the reason I started promoting live streams to begin with as I thought this was one way the we could perhaps develop some interest and excitement in the sport.) Then Big Truck because he scammed Bob out of over 10k. (<-- It was NOT 10K, a couple K less then that; but still a nice chunk of change.) Now POV. The Big Truck thing I understand because the guy is a snake and only cares about the $$$ but the other 2 are good guys who do it for the love of the game. Most of the "live stream news" guys use to be the Big Truck Stream Team. Seems like they are looking for a little more than just promoting pool streams. (<-- Live Stream News asks for one thing and one thing only and that is to ask others to promote the sport via social networks for deserving streamers -- period.) They want control. They control the chat like it is theirs. (<-- We do not want to control anything nor do we control the chat like it is ours. Ustream's TOS and the streamers themselves set the guidelines.) They act like nightclub bouncers. (<-- ... and the job of a moderator is?) I agree that chat needs some mods but you need mods like Spanky and Bacon. They are not control freaks like these live stream new guys.

You absolutely have no clue what goes on in the background. Both Spanky and Bacon are volunteers as are all the mods and are always willing to lend a helping hand in order for a stream to stay within the guidelines. Especially when Live Stream News is constantly having to leave to provide updates, quickly search for requested links, handle unforeseen issues to lighten the streamers load to make things run smooth, help someone who has tech issues, promote the stream, and on and on.

It sucked to have to listen to Daniel apologize over and over again for this when it was not his fault. The Swannee stream was awesome and so are most streams that POV does. Daniel is always very professional and so is Barbara. Rich has commentated for them before and there was never even 1 complaint about his language. Makes no sense why people would cry about it now.

Daniel, my guess is there was never any sponsor watching that was going to put 250k into pool streaming. (<--You're right, read above, he had other things to consider.) Keep doing what you have been doing because your streams get better every time and you will get that sponsorship on your own. Take Lenny's advice and don't get too caught up in the streamer drama. (<--He did and called me and we both agreed who the drama was caused by ...!)

Why don't you step up and put 12 to 18 hours in a day and promote the streams, find new stream links, work with streamers (in various time zones) and put together last minute flyers for them when they don't know how or don't have the time. Get out there and develop contacts in Germany, Romania, and other countries to pass the info on in their languages ... post in numerous forums/groups/social networks and encourage others to do the same for the love of the sport and never ask for or expect any monetary payment in any way shape or form. You go find someone with an advertising budget and get a slice or two of cheese to help a streamer or two, or three. I'll step aside in a heartbeat. I'm going to (step aside) in the near future once my store is sold and my retirement home is finished being built -- I only have 1,669 streams I monitor on Ustream and dozens more elsewhere -- easy peasy ... go for it, take a shot but be prepared to spend a lot of your own time and money in the process.

 

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I would like to respond because my name got dragged into this. We at Live Stream News push the notifications around the world that there is pool on the internet PERIOD!
AZBilliards doesn't need the grief of the Drama queens so any post in response to this will be handle on Live Stream News.

Trying to put pool in the positive light !

Working sometimes 15 hours a day when a stream is up as you all know and never once asked anyone for a cent.

Enuff Said. work to do.

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